Chapter 119: Behind The Mask-The Murder of Moustapha Akkad & The Birth of Halloween w/ Brian Santana

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Network INDEP Podcasts with the Twist. Hello, Hello, welcome to

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the next chapter of the Book of the Dead with me.

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I mean, at this point, I think you need no introduction.

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You're like my honorary co host at this point. But

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Brian's back. Thanks for joining me again.

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Thank you for having me. This is a fun topic

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to talk about on this days before Halloween.

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Yeah, so by the time you guys are listening to this,

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we were two days from Halloween, so I mean we're

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we're right in there. I talked about this last episode

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when I covered the Crow. I love Halloween. I love Halloween,

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I love horror movies. So what better way to celebrate

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my favorite holiday is talking about the man that brought

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us one of the best horror franchises of all time.

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So when you have something like a movie franchise that

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has endured for over forty years, you're bound to lose

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people along the way. Some people need to explore other

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creative avenues, some leave simply because they aren't interested in

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participating any longer, and some, over so many decades, die.

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It's a natural part of the longevity of a project.

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Very few people stick around the entire time. With that

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being said, there are those that see a project all

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the way through, helping it evolve to create a lasting legacy,

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even if their role is lesser known. When John Carpenter

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set out to bring his brain child Halloween to life,

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I doubt he realized the force it would become. Spanning

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eight original movies, two remakes, and a three film reboot,

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this franchise has truly stood the test of time. But

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much of its success can be attributed not just to

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John Carpenter, but to another man, A man who turned

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to the horror genre after struggling to find audiences to

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accept his religious films in an effort to bridge a

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gap between the Eastern and Western worlds. This man helped

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bring the story of Michael Myers to life, and did

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so by being involved in the production of the first

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eight films even after its creator left, until his violent

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death after a suicide bomber targeted a hotel in Aman

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where he was attending a wedding with his daughter. This

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is the murder of Mustafa al Acad Musapha Acot was

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born in Aleppo, Syria, on July Firse, nineteen thirty. He

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was the son of a customs officer and he was

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the oldest of eight children. While not too much is

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known about his childhood in Syria, according to the Washington Report,

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from a young age who was very vocal about wanting

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to come to America and make movies. Un deterred by

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those that discouraged him from his aspirations, urging him to

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quote limit his dreams to Arab film studios. Mustafa applied

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to UCLA with the help of his theater teacher at

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American Aleppo College, Douglas Hill, and was ultimately accepted to

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attend and study theater arts in nineteen forty nine, at

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the age of nineteen, Mustafa prepared to leave Syria to

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come to America to pursue his education and his dreams.

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Of his dreams to make films in America, Mustapha said, quote,

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the greatest achievement is being a film director in Hollywood.

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To me, it was a dream. It was a joke.

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When I was in Aleppo, I wanted to go and

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study film directing, and it was a joke because if

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you want to study directing, you then go to Egypt

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or to France. But I insisted to be in Hollywood.

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According to the Daily Saba, on the day he was

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to board his flight, his father handed him two hundred

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dollars he had saved from Mustafa and a pocket sized Kuran,

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saying quote, all I can do for you is give

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you these From now on, I may or may not

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see you again. Never forget my prayers were with you.

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With his father's blessing, u Staffa arrived in California, knowing little English,

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but prepared for the work necessary to succeed. After and

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academically accomplished four years at UCLA, he headed to the

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University of Southern California to earn his Master of Arts degree.

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As a student, Mustafa, like many who moved to a

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new country at a young age, struggled financially during his

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college years, working for wealthy families to earn money. And

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as his time at school drew to a close, Mustafa,

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who was proud and vocal of his heritage as a Syrian,

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but also just as proud of his Muslim faith, dreamed

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of making films to introduce the Western world to the

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origins of Islam and the prophet Mohammed. While in college,

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Mustafa went on to get a job working as a

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production assistant for director Sam Peckinpah, who was working on

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a film about the insurgency in Algeria against the French.

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But when the Algerian Revolution ended, the film was scrapped,

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but Peckinpah invited Mustapha to continue working with him, this

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time on the Western film Ride the High Country at

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MGM Studios. Peck and pap would go on to mentor Mustafa,

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and when he later moved to CBS, pek and Pah

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encouraged him to produce his own show called As Others Cus.

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Mustafa founded a cod International production specializing primarily on documentaries

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and feature films, one of his early successes being Caesar's World,

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following Caesar Milan on his travels around the globe, and

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this success allowed Mustafa to expand his company with offices

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in Beirut, London, and Hollywood. In nineteen seventy two, with

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a number of successful projects to his name, Mustafa founded

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film Co International Productions and set his sights on what

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he really wanted to do, focusing on his dream to

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bring the story of Islam to America. So in nineteen

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seventy four, Mustapha set out to bring the story of

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the prophet Mohammad to life with his movie Mohammad the

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Messenger of God also called The Message. The film had

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been in the works for years at this point, but

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finally it was on the cusp of being a reality.

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In an interview about the film and his reasoning behind it,

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Mustapha said quote, I did the film because it is

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a personal thing for me. Besides its production values as

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a film, it has its story, its intrigue, its drama.

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Besides all this, I think there was something personal. Being

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a Muslim myself who lived in the West, I felt

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that it was my obligation, my duty to tell the

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truth about Islam. It is a religion that has a

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seven hundred million following. It's so little known about which

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surprised me. I thought, I should tell the story that

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will bring this bridge, this gap to the West. While

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his intentions with the movie were pure, there were many

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obstacles to overcome to bring his vision to life. There

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are strict rules in Islam about depicting the prophet Muhammad

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in art, so Mustapha needed to be creative in how

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he approached the film, opting to have the actors speak

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to the camera as if they were speaking to Muhammad himself. Additionally,

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Mustafa needed to seek approval from Islamic scholars regarding the script,

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and he also needed approval to actually make the film.

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He traveled to Saudi Arabia and Morocco, pitching his movie

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and receiving their support. However, in the middle of filming

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the Daunting project, which would be shot simultaneously in Arabic

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as well as English, the Moroccan and Saudi Arabian governments

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pulled their support, with Morocco, according to the Daily Saba,

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warning a cod to leave the country. Undeterred, Mustafa headed

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to Libya and received permission and full support to film

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the movie there, released in nineteen seventy six. There were

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those that praised Mustafa for the message, and it even

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received an Academy Award nomination for Best Score, but the

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movie did not release without controversy. While many Arab communities

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adored the film, Saudi Arabia originally banned it throughout the country,

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citing the violation of Islam code by the brief showing

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of what they believed to be the Prophet Mohammad's staff

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and camel. In America, while it had originally received a

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positive response, when it was to release in theaters in Washington,

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d C. A group of American Muslim converts stormed multiple buildings,

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taking countless people hostage, threatening their lives unless the movie

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was pulled. Ambassadors from Egypt, Pakistan, and Iran arrived to

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try and diffuse the situation, and a cod actually got

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involved himself. According to Encyclopedia dot com, he attempted to

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negotiate with their leader, Khalifa Hamasa abdul Kalise, urging him

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to allow Mustafa to allow him to show him the

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movie and if Kalise disapproved, he would burn it. But

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this offer was refused and a Cod withdrew the film

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from theaters to save people's lives. In a second attempt

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to release the film, Kalise threatened to have the theaters

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showing the movie be set on fire from his jail sale,

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which deterred moviegoers from watching it. So. While the Message

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would ultimately become a beloved film in Arab and Muslim communities,

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its controversies hindered Mustafa from getting funding for other projects

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focused on religious storytelling. So to raise money for future projects,

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Mustafa looked to producing films from other genres. In nineteen

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seventy eight, the then unknown John Carpenter approached Mustafa Akat

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to fund his horror movie project. Presented without a script,

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John simply told Mustafa, according to The Atlantic, that his

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movie told the story of a babysitter being killed by

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the boogeyman. In In interview Mustafa gave a few years

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after the fact, he said that he was fascinated by

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the concept of the film told to him in just

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fifteen minutes. He said, quote, I was very just captivated.

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I saw the images and I told him how much

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will it cost? Three hundred thousand dollars? How long will

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it take you? And he said five weeks. I said,

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let's go. He came a week later and said, I

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need twenty thousand dollars for a name, Donald Pleasance. I said, okay,

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So John Carpenter's Halloween, starring the then unknown Jamie Lee Curtis,

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Donald Pleasance, and both Nick Castle and Tony Moran playing

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the terrifying Michael Myers, opened on October twenty fifth, nineteen

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seventy eight, and shattered the box office, making over forty

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million dollars domestically on a three hundred and twenty five

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thousand dollars budget, spawning one of the biggest horror movie

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franchises of all time. And Mustafa Acad would go on

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to be involved with every movie in that franchise through

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two thousand and two until his murder. And we're going

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to come back to Mustafa and some of the other

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movies he made and the circumstances of his violent death.

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But I would be remiss if we didn't talk about

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the movies. They're part of his legacy. And not only that,

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there is a murder where the killer claimed one of

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the films inspired him to kill. That needs to be

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talked about as well. But Mussafa's son Malik said that

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when promoting the twenty eighteen reboot, that the Halloween movies

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are very personal. It's a very personal experience for fans

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of the franchise, and I do agree with that. I

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have a really soft spot for the original movie and

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still vividly remember the first time I watched it, Like,

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do you remember the first time you watched it? Or

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am I just like weirdly nostalgic?

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Yeah? No, I think that for a long time, this was,

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at least in my household, the first movie we would

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watch at the start of the Halloween season. So, and

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there used to be this whole kind of giveaway that

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Blockbuster Video would do when I was growing up, where

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they would actually they printed their own copies of the

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Halloween franchise. You can probably still find these on eBay

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with the Blockbuster lego on them, but they would give

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these out with horror movie rentals. She usually like the

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month of October at the very beginning. So I think

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for a long time for me, it was just the

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start of the Halloween season when we got that first

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We picked up a number of copies of that over

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the years.

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So I watched Halloween for the first time of six

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I grew up on like the classic movie Monsters, but

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like to me, that wasn't horror. You know, before you

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can buy cars with like TVs in them and DVD players.

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My dad, Jerry Riggs on a TV with like a

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VCR bungee course into the bottom of the van, and

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he would just when we would go on like trips

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down the shore and stuff, he would put on like

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you know, The Wolfman and Dracula and all of that.

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So those weren't scary to me. But I'm six years

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old and he goes, Corney, let's watch a movie. I go, okay.

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He goes, don't tell your mother. I said, okay, because

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we're gonna watch this scary movie. If you get nightmares

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and never showing you another scary movie, guy, I said, okay,

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we'll never forget it. We're watching this movie. I'm terrified.

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I am so scared. And my dad's going on and

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on and on about how amazing this movie is. It's

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so suspenseful. He's kicking me out every time there's a

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top scene on the TV screen. So I'm watching in

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the reflection of the picture frames on the wall, like, sorry, Dad,

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and I guess you not even know that like, I

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was terrified. Yes, it gave me nightmares, but I was

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I'll be damned if I was going to tell my

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dad I was scared. But that was like the first

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time I ever saw it, first horror movie ever, six

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years old. I loved it. It's it was just it's

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so good. I mean, okay, objectively, the series as a

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whole doesn't hold up.

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It's not you mentioned that with the other like classic

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monster films. I think one of the things that was

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really this struck me going back and as we were

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like rewatching these like getting ready, was that this, even

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though I've seen it many times, I was just struck

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by like the lack of violence and gore in the

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first one, at least compared to the later one. There

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is violence. It is scary. It's just a very frightening film,

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but it's not as gory as you might imagine if

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you conflate just a lot of the different Halloway films together.

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Is the ones that will come later.

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It's not. And when you look at like the the

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big three of slasher movies, you know the namer on Elmstreet,

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you Friday the thirteenth, you know, Freddy and Jason are

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violent killers. They are very bloody movies, especially the first ones.

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You spend the entire movie really just kind of waiting

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for him to do something. He's you know, he's heavy

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breathing into the microphone, seeing things from his perspective, like

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it's it's creepy, and you just see him popping out

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of the shadows in the doorway. That was terrifying. It

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was like in a League of its own.

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Or in the first one with the guy coming back

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to the bedroom and he's wearing like the sheet with

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the glasses and stuff like. That's as it's the scene

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I remember most, I think from the from the first one.

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I think that scene has forever burned into my brain,

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like that's like the scene I vividly remember the most

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of that. And when he is you know, he breaks

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on the closet door and Jamie Lee Curtis is like

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cowering on the floor. That's like the iconic scene of

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the movie. So you have that. You know, he's just

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called the shape in the script. The movie's very Halloween.

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You know, it takes place in the fall, it's Halloween night.

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It works so well, because he really was just this

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personification of evil, Like that's just what he wasn't you know.

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Donald Plausen's as Sam Loomis just keeps saying that, you know,

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he's evil, he's evil, he's evil, and you know, everyone's like,

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what are you talking about? Like, yeah, he's a really

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bad dude. He kills his sister, but like, what do

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you mean, what are you talking about?

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When it makes you wonder why there's a psychiatrist there,

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then if he's just, if he's evil, if that's the

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kind of psychiatric consensus and conclusion, it seems like we

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are we need someone to stumble out of the Exorcist

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or something and walk on to the set if that's

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the consensus exactly.

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And that's the one thing. And this is this Rob

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Zombie remake has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

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But the one thing I will say is I liked

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that they expand it on I met him being in

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the psychiatric hospital, because I don't know, maybe I'm just

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twisted and I like stuff like that, but that it

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gives you more insight into how his brain works, Like

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he's not just the personification of evil but or the

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embodiment of evil. But so you have this movie, it

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works so well, it's brilliant. You have the second movie

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released in nineteen eighty one, and is just like the

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first time, Like the changes are starting to be made

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because Laurie Strode is never intended to be Michael Myer's sister.

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But when Sean Carter and Debra Hill were riding the

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Square for the sequel, they didn't have enough of a

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plot for a full movie, so they went back and

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they added in the story of Lauri being born two

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years after the original murder, and she's adopted, and the

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movie takes place in you know, Hadn't Field Memorial Hospital.

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The whole almost the entire movie. Sam Loomis is still

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chasing after Michael flyers like and object stiply, the second

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one works almost as well as the first.

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Well you can't help but wonder like, So this was

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a big hit with the first one. So the second

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one is nineteen eighty one, This is like after Star

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Wars and everything else. And I just kept thinking this

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last time rewatching it, that this whole twist, the disibling

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twist in Halloween too. It was reminded me of like

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the Star wars kind of like twists that we're going

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to get. It's like, what is it with these like

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Hollywood films where these these twists where these people were

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actually like siblings and stuff is kind of coming up?

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Everyone needs to be related.

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Everyone needs to be related. Yeah, I'm not even really

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sure how. I haven't done this yet, but if you

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go in with the idea, because whenever I watch the

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first one, I feel like I still watch as a

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standalone film, even though it has a direct sequel, even

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though it has these other movies. But I don't know

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what it does to how you read it. If you're

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watching the first one consciously thinking the entire time that

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their siblings, Like, how does that change the way that

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you kind of see that movie? I'm not sure. I

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just don't do it. I think I just I take

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that twist and the second one for kind of what

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it is. It feels kind of gimmicky to me at times,

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but it's not really something that affects like how I

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see the first one at all. Even when I go

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back with that knowledge.

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I think I consistently forget that they're related anytime I

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watch the first one, because it's such like a throwaway

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plot point in the second movie, you get these little

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hints of their flashback of her visiting Michael in the

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institution and her mother going I'm not your mother, which

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is just a really random, like there was no context

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for that, I'm not your mother. And then you have afterwards,

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almost towards the end of the movie where Sam Lumis

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like realizes or learns that they're related. I'm like, the

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we went almost the entire movie with this not being

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a thing. Why is it a thing now?

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that I feel like the first one, it may the

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first one is coming if we're it's like the true crime.

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So we have like Ronald Clark O'Brien seventy four and

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a lot of these kind of famous Halloween cases did

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are really built on this idea of a kind of

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complete stranger who on Halloween Night, for some inexplicable, just

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irrational reason, just wants to harm people. And I feel

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like the first film kind of really tapped into that

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a lot, that that kind of the randomness of the

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violence directed that different people, and that it was so

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tied to just the Halloween night that was there and

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kind of fed into a lot of those kinds of fears,

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whereas the second one, I think when you start introducing

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siblings and all these other kinds of like subtext to

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like what's happening. I mean, we're a few years out

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from O'Brien and some of those things, but it feels

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like it's kind of distancing us from the kind of

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halloweenness of the movie.

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I guess no, exactly part of what made the original

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one so scary. He had no motive or purpose for

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the murders. He was doing it just because it was

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you know, it's Halloween. He's killing the babysitters. There was

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no rhyme or reason for it. That's why movies like

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The Strangers work so well. You know, why are you

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doing this? Because you were home? Yes, that's terrifying, terrifying.

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So the first one is terrifying for that reason. And

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then you add in this weird sub plot of them

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being related. Why does he need a purpose? He doesn't

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need a motive for this. It's scary because he doesn't

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have one, like these people like Ronald Clark, o Brian.

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I mean, he had, you know, whatever, he had his reasoning,

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but you know, it's scary. It's capitalizing on that fear

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and now like you've given him this weird and explicable

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obsession with his sister why and.

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It's going to be this weird temptation. I don't know

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what Kara, this was for a cod and some of

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the producers, but there is this temptation where they're going

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to kind of, you know, as a franchise can go along,

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they're going to invent new relatives and other things where

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that kind of family ness of the you know, dynamic

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in the film is going to be kind of a

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plot point. It feels like after a successful film they'll

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kind of go to that and I don't know exactly

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it's I mean they're going to I'm sure we'll talk

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about it with four and five. They're going to do

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this as well. There's going to be a successful film

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and then the kind of we're going to move and

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have it throw in another family kind of dynamic to it.

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It's like a weird twist.

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As the movies go on, the plot lines and the

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timelines get so convolution and we're protect I'm going to

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talk about that, but this sequel, the Second Halloween, was

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actually used as a defense in a real murder, which

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is insane And it's actually coincidentally enough, the rob Zombie

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sequel to his version of Halloween also inspired a burder

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but that's that's a different conversation. On December twelfth of

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nineteen eighty two, in Fullerton, California, William Harbitz, after multiple

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days of not hearing from his parents, sixty eight year

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old Frances and sixty nine year old Eileen, went to

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their home to check on them. In fact, he hadn't

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heard from his parents since the fifth and friends of

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the Harbites had attempted to contact them multiple times on

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the seventh and the eighth, even going so far as

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to slip notes under the door, which is interesting to

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me because at that point, if you're desperate not to

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slip notes under the door, widened, you call the police.

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But okay. When William arrived, he opened the door to

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find his father sitting upright against the wall, covered in blood,

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and his mother was in the living room lying in

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a pool of her own blood. According to court records,

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Francis had been stabbed twenty four times in the neck, chest,

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and back. He had sustained three broken ribs under broken

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arm ends. The knife had severed his carotid artery penetrated

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his heart three times and severed his ascending aorda. Eileen

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had been stabbed nineteen times in her neck, chest, abdomen,

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and back, with four of the wounds transacting her love

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four times, meaning she had been stabbed repeatedly in the

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exact same spot. One of the stab wounds also penetrated

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her spine and hurry order. A search of the house

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revealed no forced entry, and while Eileen's while it was missing,

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there was cash found in other areas of the home

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totally like four hundred dollars. So when police spoke to William,

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he mentioned to them a man that he knew named

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Richard Delmar Boyer. He had been introduced to the Harbitss

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by William and had done some work around the house

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for them and like landscaping. William said that their relationship

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was pretty cordial. His parents had lens Boyer money, and

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he also mentioned that he knew Boyer to wear a

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buck knife on his hip all the time, he never

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took it off. William hadn't seen Boyer in about six months,

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but the week of December eighth, which is when police

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assumed the Harbitses had been murdered. Boyer had called him

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a number of times and they spoke once where Boyer

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claims he was struggling financially really badly. He had no money.

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Police went to his home in Almonte that he shared

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with his girlfriend, Cynthia Cornwell, and they searched the premises.

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They find a pair of levies with a hole in

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the knee and some blood stains, a buck knife with

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a drop of blood on the blade, as well as

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a chief ends. In the kitchen, they found a burned

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jacket on like a hibachi grill. Upon analysis, one stain

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on the jeans matched Boyer, the second match Francis, and

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the third matched Eileen. The blood sample on the knife

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was too small to test, but it was believed the

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size and shape of the knife was consistent with the

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wounds sustained by the harpits rather than the kitchen knife

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found in their home. So police arrests Boyer for two

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charges of murder during the commission of a robbery, and

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they also arrested his girlfriend and his friend, John Kennedy,

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But Cornwell and Kennedy were granted immunich in exchange for

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their testimony. So at Boyer's trial, which was a capital

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punishment case. John's testimony goes as follows. He claimed that

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on the night of December seventh, he picked up Boyer

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to bring him to his parents' house to pick up

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cash Boyer had allegedly made selling his father's gun. On

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the way, they met up with a drug dealer and

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bought a small amount of cocaine using twenty five dollars

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Kennedy had borrowed from his brother. According to Kennedy, it

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was enough cocaine to cause a rush and a small high,

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but that was it. They weren't getting like Blitz out

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of their mind. They make it to Boyer's parents' home

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and he spent maybe fifteen minutes inside before Boyer came

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back out and told Kennedy to bring them to an

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apartment to try and get some weed, but they were unsuccessful,

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so Boyer directed him to another apartment to try and

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find his friend Bill. When they reached the apartment, Bill

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was not there, and Boyer suggested he might have moved

476
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back in with his parents. They go to another dealer's home,

477
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.920
which would end up being the Harbit's. Kennedy testified that

478
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.039
while he waited in the car, Boyer went inside and

479
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he was gone for about forty five minutes. When he

480
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.880
came back, he's holding a towel. He's acting really normal,

481
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.000
but he tells Kennedy to drive off really carefully. Don't

482
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:23.759
draw any attention to us. Just drive. Boyer claimed that

483
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:26.480
he had been stabbed in the knee during a confrontation

484
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.440
with a dealer in the home, and that's why he

485
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.599
had the towel to stop the bleeding in his leg,

486
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:34.119
and Kennedy also noticed that the buck knife that Boyer

487
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:38.319
was wearing had blood on it. Boyer pulled two wallets

488
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:40.440
from his pocket and went through them, removing the cash

489
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.720
and throwing the wallets out the window, and police would

490
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.920
later find Eileen's wallet in a storm drain in the area,

491
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:51.160
Kennedy indicated. During Cynthia's testimony, she claimed that when Boyer

492
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.799
came home limping, he claimed to have been attacked by

493
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.440
a loan shark, and also admitted to burning his jacket

494
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.359
on the stove, but she claims she had done to

495
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:02.839
convince him she was willing to hide evidence for him.

496
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.839
She was just pretending. Boyer allegedly asked her the day

497
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.000
before the police searched their home whether or not she

498
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.599
would wait for him if something bad happened. He mentioned

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00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.160
something about a murder and that she would be really

500
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:20.039
angry with him when she found out what happened. And

501
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:23.119
she also testified that they were struggling financially and were

502
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.680
living off of her welfare checks and he had attempted

503
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:30.599
to borrow money from his parents. So Boyer was evaluated

504
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.640
by doctor Ernest Klatt, who testified for the defense, and

505
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:39.359
according to doctor Klatt, Boyer claimed in one of their

506
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.559
interviews that he had been drinking earlier in the day

507
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.680
on the morning of the murders and had later smoked

508
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:47.079
a PCP lee cigarette before shooting the cocaine with Kennedy.

509
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.400
That evening, he had attempted to get money from his mother,

510
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.759
but was unsuccessful because his father had come home and

511
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:59.079
tried to find William Harbitz to borrow money. He claimed51200:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.440



he went to Eileen and Francis's home to try and51300:29:01.599 --> 00:29:06.440



contact him. He also claimed that after Eileen welcomed him inside,51400:29:06.480 --> 00:29:09.440



he started feeling the effects of his drug use. His51500:29:09.559 --> 00:29:13.640



head was pounding, his vision was getting really distorted. He51600:29:13.720 --> 00:29:17.079



was starting to hallucinate a little bit. So he goes51700:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.960



into the back bedroom to speak to Francis, and he51800:29:20.079 --> 00:29:24.720



claims after seeing Francis's billfold on the dresser, he starts51900:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.759



really hallucinating. He's imagining the events of a movie he52000:29:28.839 --> 00:29:32.079



had watched recently had come to life, this movie being52100:29:32.119 --> 00:29:38.079



Halloween too, so he is convinced, allegedly that in this52200:29:38.640 --> 00:29:43.200



drug induced hallucination, Michael Myers is coming to attack him.52300:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.559



He attacks Eileen first, and when Francis came to her defense,52400:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.440



hitting Boyer in the head with his cane, Boyer turned52500:29:50.480 --> 00:29:54.759



on him. However, doctor Clat questioned the validity of this52600:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.960



testimony years after because it had changed a couple of times,52700:29:58.680 --> 00:30:02.039



but ultimately was found guilty of two counts of murder52800:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.279



during the commission of a robbery and was sentenced to death.52900:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.279



And this case actually has so much more to it.53000:30:08.720 --> 00:30:10.480



Maybe I'll go back to it one day and really53100:30:10.480 --> 00:30:12.759



go into it. Because his sentence was overturned and then53200:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.240



it was reinstated. There's a lot going on, but today's53300:30:16.240 --> 00:30:20.759



about Mustafa before we get back to the Halloween movies.53400:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.599



In nineteen eighty one, not only was Mustafa a God53500:30:24.680 --> 00:30:28.920



producing Halloween two, he's also working on his second movie,53600:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.160



this time called Lion of the Desert, a biography about53700:30:32.200 --> 00:30:35.559



Libyan nationalist Omar al Muktar, who led a revolt against53800:30:35.599 --> 00:30:39.039



the Italian occupation of Libya. He was executed on Benita53900:30:39.079 --> 00:30:42.799



Mussolini's orders in nineteen thirty two, and this movie, while54000:30:42.839 --> 00:30:46.279



now a really popular film in Arab communities, did not54100:30:46.519 --> 00:30:50.279



do well. However, the US Army found a lot of54200:30:50.359 --> 00:30:53.839



value in Mustafa's work, purchasing one hundred thousand copies of54300:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.319



both films to use as resources to teach soldiers before54400:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.759



deployment into Iraq. Because of this movie not doing well,54500:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.039



though now cod would again return to the Halloween franchise,54600:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.759



producing the next six films in the series, and this54700:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.720



is when the franchise really gets a bit convoluted. Arguably,54800:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.000



it's not the fault of the third Halloween Season of54900:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.039



the Witch. It's the last film gen Carpa Turns Abrahill55000:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.480



wrote for the franchise before going their separate ways, and55100:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.039



the story of Michael Myers was supposed to end after55200:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.359



the second film, so season of the Witch was meant55300:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.640



to kickstart. Like in anthology of horror movies taking place55400:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.079



on Halloween, it's the only one that doesn't feature any55500:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.960



of the characters from the first two films. It's kind55600:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.400



of the outlier, right of like the Halloween movies.55700:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.400



Yeah, you can see they were trying to I guess55800:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.279



kind of like with some of the series like VHS55900:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.079



or those others that put out like an annual kind56000:31:47.079 --> 00:31:49.079



of thing. It might not be Halloween theme in those56100:31:49.119 --> 00:31:51.839



cases except for this years, but you know, like an56200:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.720



annual film that's organized just around just this idea or56300:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.079



a theme of Halloween. It's a really kind of cool56400:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.400



concept to think about, and if you're going to try56500:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.359



to move beyond kind of Michael Myers, it's not a56600:32:03.400 --> 00:32:07.960



bad strategy, I think. But yeah, people didn't really like56700:32:08.119 --> 00:32:10.920



it too much, even though it is. It's weird because56800:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.440



Halloween three, like you said, it's like it's not very56900:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.960



well received and it's in Carpenter and Hill are going57000:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.480



to kind of start making their exit from being really57100:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.960



creatively involved at least in these films and finance and57200:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.920



having a large financial stake. But Halloween three is one57300:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.559



that over the years is kind of guarded a cult57400:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.200



following of it. This is a This is one of57500:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.359



my personal favorites of the entire series, which is weird57600:32:34.400 --> 00:32:37.839



because it doesn't feature Michael Myers, but it's such a57700:32:37.880 --> 00:32:41.960



fun movie that seems to kind of embrace a lot57800:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.359



of the kind of Halloween lore and and it gets57900:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.640



really just it's so ridiculous. If just to describe the58000:32:48.720 --> 00:32:56.160



plot alone, I think is when you describe like Irish58100:32:56.440 --> 00:33:02.960



industrial oligarch who for some reason wants to look back58200:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.279



to the old days, whatever those are in his mind,58300:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.119



when they would kill children, and he wants to do58400:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.359



so by killing all the children in the world on Halloween,58500:33:11.480 --> 00:33:13.480



Like that sounds like a winner of a film, Like58600:33:13.519 --> 00:33:17.279



I'm on board for that. It's interesting, especially the way58700:33:17.440 --> 00:33:21.440



that they decide to do so, like imperfect James Bond58800:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.440



villain kind of ways, where we're going to do it58900:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.279



in the most complicated way possible by doing it through59000:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.799



some TV signal that everybody's going to be watching. So59100:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.279



it's a brilliant concept in many ways, I think now,59200:33:32.319 --> 00:33:33.920



and I think a lot of people do like it now.59300:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.960



Yeah, now it's people I think enjoy it more. It59400:33:38.000 --> 00:33:41.119



definitely has its own call following. I do like the59500:33:41.160 --> 00:33:47.319



third one. It's definitely an outlier to the franchise. It59600:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.119



has nothing to do with any of it, but for59700:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.160



the purpose of what they had made it for, Like,59800:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.079



I get it. It works. It's a little weird, but59900:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.839



it's fun. It's a very fun movie, and I enjoy that.60000:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.559



Yeah, you can't overthink Halloween three too much. I mean60100:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.839



there is I think about Halloween three less in terms60200:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.480



of just in the span of horror films or even60300:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.760



the Halloween franchise, and more is this film that feels60400:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.599



very very much like early nineteen eighties. I put it60500:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.360



in the same categories like war games and a lot60600:34:20.360 --> 00:34:24.119



of these movies that were these early depictions of computers60700:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.000



and computer technologies because and this one is weird because60800:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.199



they're hooking up computer, like a very complicated looking computer60900:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.000



system to a rock that I don't know if rock61000:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.000



is the right word, a pillar that they steal from Stonehenge.61100:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.639



And so it's this weird kind of combination of old61200:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.400



magic and new magic with computers. And there's something kind61300:34:47.400 --> 00:34:49.599



of interesting about and there's a computer chip. There's a61400:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.880



computer chip in there. And you think about today where61500:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.800



people talk about the kind of dangers of technology and61600:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.280



everything else. And it's interesting with Halloween three that it's61700:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.960



ahead of its time and its skepticism towards the power61800:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.000



and dangers of mass media towards children and others.61900:35:08.679 --> 00:35:10.440



Now you hear about it all the time. You know,62000:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.760



no screen time, we need those light time, We need62100:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.199



low stimulating things for our babies.62200:35:16.320 --> 00:35:17.719



Yeah, it's weird. It's like the only kids that are62300:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.880



going to live in Halloween three people weren't watching TV,62400:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.960



and all the latch key kids whose parents have stuck62500:35:22.960 --> 00:35:24.760



them in front of the TV, they're dead by the62600:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.400



end of this and so, but it's also interesting because62700:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.920



they're all kind of buying these commercial Halloween masks. And62800:35:31.960 --> 00:35:34.000



that's where because by the time we get to the62900:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.800



nineteen seventies, like we're kind of getting Halloween has become63000:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.039



fully commercialized, where I believe the first mass market kind63100:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.079



of big box Halloween mask are produced around nineteen sixty eight,63200:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.840



And so we're only like a little over ten years63300:35:47.840 --> 00:35:50.599



into this period where the holiday is so drastically shifted,63400:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.599



where buying these masks that are kind of commercial characters63500:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.199



like you'd see on TV or being marketed how we63600:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.559



mass marketed on TV is a fairly new and it's63700:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.039



interesting that this becomes like a kind of a central63800:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.119



kind of plot point that's amost this guy who's like63900:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.719



trying to get back to the old days of Halloween.64000:36:10.880 --> 00:36:14.599



He's kind of doing so by playing to and kind64100:36:14.639 --> 00:36:18.840



of killing people via these like new kinds of ways64200:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.400



that the season celebrated. So it seems to be kind64300:36:21.400 --> 00:36:22.559



of something at that as well.64400:36:23.360 --> 00:36:25.280



It really is, I mean, especially when you put it64500:36:25.360 --> 00:36:28.679



that way, and especially like the play on the mass64600:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.079



works well, because the whole point of Halloween and Michael64700:36:32.119 --> 00:36:34.639



Myers is that he wears this mask that gets worse64800:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.280



and worse and more ridiculous looking as the movies go64900:36:37.280 --> 00:36:41.039



go on, which is a great source of annoyance for me.65000:36:41.320 --> 00:36:42.440



I hate that mass.65100:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.199



Well, you know, it's also interesting because they there was65200:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.159



a campaign that they did where they mass produced these65300:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.360



masks in stores and like created a kind of commercials65400:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.039



to sell the masks, the same ones that were in65500:36:55.039 --> 00:36:57.719



the movie. And I kept thinking about, like, who's buying65600:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.000



these masks at that point, because the kids are probably65700:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.199



not watching this film, and so it is interesting they65800:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.840



buy the silver shamrock mask and it's the thing that65900:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.440



kills you too. But you can fill John Carpenter's presence66000:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.880



in this one as well, because some of the actors66100:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.280



casting This would appeared in other Carpenter films like Was66200:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.800



It the Fog and others, and so it's interesting to66300:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.920



be able to have Is it connected more to him,66400:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.800



I think than it is to the franchise.66500:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.440



I agree, because especially when you get into Halloween for66600:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.159



the Return of Michael Myers and Halloween five or Revenge66700:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.079



of Michael Myers, is this one the plot really starts66800:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.519



to go off the rails. John Carpon turns, Abra Hiller66900:37:35.559 --> 00:37:40.440



gone at this point, And I mean, Mustapha Cod believed67000:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.000



in these movies so much they really did. I mean67100:37:43.039 --> 00:37:47.639



he he initially only got into them to, you know,67200:37:47.679 --> 00:37:50.119



make money to fund the movies he really wanted to make.67300:37:50.199 --> 00:37:51.960



But by the time you get to the fourth and67400:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.480



fifth movie, I mean he's he's saying, you know, for67500:37:54.519 --> 00:37:57.119



four years, we didn't do any Halloween, but I believed67600:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.480



in it. It's not a genius creation or anything. But67700:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.639



whenever Halloween season comes around, audiences wants something like this.67800:38:03.079 --> 00:38:07.239



He really believed in these movies. The storyline went out67900:38:07.239 --> 00:38:11.119



the window at this point, like we're ondoing things that68000:38:11.159 --> 00:38:14.320



have been done at this point onward.68100:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.000



So they you know, they come back with Halloween four68200:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.039



what did you think of Halloween four when you rewatched it?68300:38:20.119 --> 00:38:21.920



I mean, this is another one I would say of68400:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.519



the entire series that the a coda says, as with68500:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.280



at least parts I mean, outside the first one, obviously,68600:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.519



I really like parts three and four a lot. And68700:38:32.039 --> 00:38:33.800



as I mentioned to you before, like, I think that68800:38:34.400 --> 00:38:40.719



Halloween four is interesting to me because it stays very close.68900:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.119



There's there's a gimmicky twist at the end of this,69000:38:43.199 --> 00:38:46.840



but it stays really close to the kind of general69100:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.960



story of the original, and it's fairly simple in many ways.69200:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.480



And you know, I'm sure we'll talk about it, but69300:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.239



by the time we get to films like The Curse69400:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.079



of Michael Myers, the plots are going to become so69500:38:58.199 --> 00:39:02.719



complicated they're hard to describe, really, And with Halloween four,69600:39:02.719 --> 00:39:06.360



we're still on that kind of very simple throwback to69700:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.400



the original. That felt really good watching it.69800:39:09.320 --> 00:39:11.519



I liked it. I like, I think the fourth one69900:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.880



works for what it is. I mean, of course, in70000:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.320



this one, they've killed off Lorii Strode, we kill off70100:39:16.360 --> 00:39:19.920



the final girl. Now it's her daughter. It was an70200:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.559



interesting concept because it is very similar to the first movie.70300:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.360



The concepts are very similar he's you know, going after70400:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.599



this little girl, going after a family member. But the70500:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.320



difference with this one, and of course you still have70600:39:30.400 --> 00:39:36.480



Sam Lumis monologuing about Michael Myers's immortality, but you have70700:39:36.599 --> 00:39:41.320



this idea that this evil in him is hereditary, which70800:39:41.639 --> 00:39:47.039



is very gimmicky, as you said, but it breathes a70900:39:47.119 --> 00:39:49.639



little bit of fresh air into the series at that point,71000:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.360



especially because the plot lines are so similar between the71100:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.960



first and the fourth. So I mean it works. I71200:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.320



like it. You know, Jamie's adorable, he got a soft71300:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.719



spot for the kids in the Horror. It's like it71400:40:00.760 --> 00:40:03.440



works for me to an extent.71500:40:03.760 --> 00:40:05.400



And I feel like there's something to be said for71600:40:05.559 --> 00:40:07.440



just the opening of this one too. I mean, we71700:40:07.559 --> 00:40:12.519



go into this basement of this really really dark, creepy71800:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.320



hospital too, And I feel like, when I was thinking71900:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.760



about this just the other day, I feel like the72000:40:17.840 --> 00:40:21.400



Halloween films just the way they represent like asylums is72100:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.519



like a really creepy thing. All the doctors are all72200:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.119



have like, you know, cigarettes that are half smoked. They72300:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.840



all seem kind of very world weary and cynical about72400:40:31.960 --> 00:40:35.480



the work that they're doing. And Michael Myers is basically72500:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.639



like in the basement, like on a you know, a gurney,72600:40:38.800 --> 00:40:41.800



drugged up, and that's kind of what they allude to,72700:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.239



the state that they've kept him in for a number72800:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.239



of years.72900:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.159



And still he manages somehow to escape. He always manages,73000:40:50.360 --> 00:40:54.039



always manages to escape. Yeah, the return of Michael Myers. Yeah,73100:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.840



this is I think we're talking about the Halloween three73200:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.480



season of The Witch, where you know, it's been a73300:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.760



number of years since audiences have seen Michael Myers, and73400:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.719



so I can imagine that this would have been I73500:41:06.800 --> 00:41:08.880



was only nine years old when this came out. I73600:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.400



can imagine this would have been really fun to see73700:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.039



at the theater. And it did do well. It did73800:41:14.159 --> 00:41:18.360



gross seventeen million dollars on a five million dollar budget,73900:41:18.519 --> 00:41:24.599



So not the home run that the first twour at least,74000:41:24.639 --> 00:41:29.760



but you know, it doubled its money and then some. Yeah.74100:41:30.239 --> 00:41:35.679



I think it's it holds its own within the franchise, and.74200:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.719



It has sympathetic characters. This is the thing. I mean.74300:41:37.800 --> 00:41:41.159



Laurie Strotta is a deeply sympathetic character. The extent to74400:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.679



which anyone is sympathetic and Halloween three is questionable. I74500:41:44.719 --> 00:41:46.960



don't think there is really anyone that's that sympathetic. And74600:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.320



Halloween three, but it doesn't really matter. It's such a74700:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.000



gimmicky film we're not really meant to that's not really74800:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.679



where the kind of suspense comes from. It's more fun.74900:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.519



And with Halloween four, aside from his niece, who I thought,75000:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.800



did Jamie Lloyd, I think that the actress playing her75100:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.800



does really well, but also her kind of stepsister or75200:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.960



foster sister I thought was also that kind of like emotional.75300:42:10.039 --> 00:42:11.960



There's like an emotional core of the film that's also75400:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.119



really sweet in that kind of like dynamic that they have,75500:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.079



and it helps to kind of ratchet up some of75600:42:18.119 --> 00:42:22.159



the suspense in a way that felt more earned than75700:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.679



just the kind of, you know, the kind of gore75800:42:24.840 --> 00:42:26.599



kind of shock cuts that we're going to get in75900:42:26.599 --> 00:42:27.639



some of the later films.76000:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.960



I agree, there's definitely a little bit more heart in76100:42:30.960 --> 00:42:36.719



that movie, which I enjoy and I think it does work.76200:42:37.480 --> 00:42:39.800



But then we go off the rails completely.76300:42:40.360 --> 00:42:43.079



And what was the first sign in part five was76400:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.239



you watched this again recently? The first moment you thought76500:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.239



it was going kind of off rails? Was it the76600:42:49.360 --> 00:42:53.039



guy dragging the cane in hallways? Or was it like,76700:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.320



was at what point do we start to go off76800:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.320



the rails or what point are we definitely off the rails.76900:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.639



If they had ended four and just left it alone,77000:43:02.840 --> 00:43:06.320



left that storyline, that plot line at that. Yeah, and77100:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.239



we went off and we skipped right to six, which77200:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.239



is objectively a terrible movie.77300:43:11.719 --> 00:43:12.760



It's truly awful.77400:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.159



It. I'd like we could have skipped five. I think77500:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.400



a lot of the plot point, we're really pushing the77600:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.599



trauma on Jamie Lloyd. You know, she can't speak. Sam77700:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.400



Loomis is absolutely out of his mind at this point77800:43:28.199 --> 00:43:31.400



about Michael Myers, like he's really intense with this little girl.77900:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.000



You know, you have to help me, you have to talk,78000:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.039



you have to do this. She can't talk, like she's78100:43:38.320 --> 00:43:43.440



like seven. Stop. It was so ridiculous. Rachel is the78200:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.159



best part of that movie. I don't care. And that78300:43:46.360 --> 00:43:50.559



you have the two cops, like these bumbling idiot cops78400:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.559



that like a try and break the fourth wall, like78500:43:54.599 --> 00:43:56.960



we're really bad pops ha ha kind of thing. And78600:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.360



it's like nothing, very few things in that movie worked78700:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.159



for me. And then you have the effects were really bad.78800:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.000



Just like part of the charm is that the effects78900:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.519



are a little bit cheesy because they're practical effects, you know,79000:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.400



and all that, but like the stuffed dead dog that79100:44:14.599 --> 00:44:20.960



is so clearly a stuffed dead dog is awful. It's awful,79200:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.480



and your budget was so good, Why did we have79300:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.000



to go with this really awful Like, just don't kill79400:44:27.039 --> 00:44:28.679



the dog at that point, don't even show it.79500:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.400



Yeah, and it seemed like they really wanted to, just79600:44:32.440 --> 00:44:36.360



like they didn't learn their lesson from earlier in the franchise.79700:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.239



I mean Halloween three, like we said, while a beloved79800:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.800



film now by many people, including myself, it was not79900:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.079



very successful at the time. And this idea of creating80000:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.800



a story arc where you're both it's the return of80100:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.360



Michael Myers, but he's barely back. At the end of80200:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.480



his return, you're already trying to hand the plot arc80300:44:56.559 --> 00:44:59.639



off to Jamie Lloyd. And there's this kind of you80400:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.599



can see that they're kind of testing in this film,80500:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.440



like would it be possible to basically make her the80600:45:05.480 --> 00:45:09.599



new family killer and kind of I think spin away80700:45:09.679 --> 00:45:12.440



from Michael Meyer, like they're aware that there is some80800:45:12.559 --> 00:45:16.559



kind of that they're unborrowed time with the The Part80900:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.519



four is successful, but it still seems like they're unsure81000:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.760



whether they could just continue to remake that movie over81100:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.360



and over again, and because Part four was so close81200:45:24.440 --> 00:45:27.440



to the first film, it just felt like there wasn't81300:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.159



a lot of creativity at least at this moment on81400:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.480



their end, Like how do we how do we tell81500:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.639



a Michael Meyer's story without just retelling the same story?81600:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.679



You know, the Friday's Thirteenth franchise moves him all over81700:45:38.760 --> 00:45:42.519



the place, from Manhattan to space to everywhere else, and81800:45:42.920 --> 00:45:44.960



if the character is the same, you've got to do something.81900:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.519



It's either the location, the basic setup is going to82000:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.480



be fairly similar, and it seemed like they didn't really82100:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.519



know how to navigate that, and so they're trying to82200:45:53.559 --> 00:45:55.360



find a way to pass it up. We're back to82300:45:55.400 --> 00:45:58.960



that weird family angle, whether it's siblings or whether it's82400:45:59.079 --> 00:46:02.719



cousins or who it's like, it's our nieces is. It's82500:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.079



a strange kind of move that they keep making with us.82600:46:05.800 --> 00:46:09.039



It's very weird. It's very weird. And then you have82700:46:09.599 --> 00:46:15.119



Jamie like almost getting these like glimpses of how Michael's82800:46:15.199 --> 00:46:19.480



feeling and you know what he's doing, and it's this82900:46:19.559 --> 00:46:26.159



weird psychological connection that they have, which just doesn't work83000:46:26.199 --> 00:46:30.000



because it feels like half thought out. And a lot83100:46:30.000 --> 00:46:31.719



of the movie felt very half thought out. And I83200:46:31.760 --> 00:46:33.360



think you're right. It was very much like a we83300:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.320



have an expiration date for Michael Myers. That expiration date83400:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.599



is approaching. We know how to do something new, something fresh,83500:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.159



keep people interested, and then they went that route and83600:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.920



then to make matters worse, we have the sixth movie.83700:46:46.840 --> 00:46:49.440



And this is where Yeah, so when we get to83800:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.039



the sixth film, so this is one of these things83900:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.280



where and part of this I think is just built84000:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.199



just tied to the fact that, like, how do you84100:46:56.320 --> 00:47:01.719



make a character like who doesn't talk and is essentially unknowable.84200:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.639



He says that character can only be so dynamic. You're84300:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.440



just constantly ascribing things to them. Oh, he's related to84400:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.079



this person. Oh he's also related to this person. And84500:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.719



so you're having to look outside that character to create84600:47:13.840 --> 00:47:18.000



kind of different complexity or kind of new twist. And84700:47:18.840 --> 00:47:22.760



the Curse of Michael Myers. I don't even know where84800:47:22.800 --> 00:47:26.159



to start with. This one is such an odd movie.84900:47:26.280 --> 00:47:30.599



It picks up on elements of Part five. I was85000:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.199



confused because Part five is largely criticized as having the85100:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.440



worst plot of all the Halloweens, even worse than Halloween85200:47:38.480 --> 00:47:42.840



three season of the Witch. And I don't know why,85300:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.880



aside like why they would pick up Jamie Lloyd kind85400:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.639



of plot again after so many years. But it's been85500:47:49.679 --> 00:47:54.239



six years between Halloween five and the Curse of Michael Myers,85600:47:54.280 --> 00:47:57.239



and it felt like we were to do for another85700:47:57.480 --> 00:48:01.639



reboot completely of the series, and they're attempting to do that,85800:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.360



but also connecting it to a film that wasn't very85900:48:05.400 --> 00:48:06.719



successful by any measure.86000:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.320



It's very weird. They're also trying to bring it back86100:48:10.360 --> 00:48:13.320



to like the original plot line. You know, Tommy Doyle,86200:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.199



the little boy Laurie's babysitting in the first movie, is back.86300:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.280



He's super traumatized, he's super paranoid as an adult, waiting86400:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.760



for Michael Myers to return. You have Jamie Lloyd's baby.86500:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.199



Now there's a satanic cult. Part of the issue I86600:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.519



have with this movie is they lose so much of86700:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.440



what Michael Myers or what makes Michael Myers so scary.86800:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.719



You know, he's this wholking figure in the background, heavily86900:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.639



breathing into the microphone, and now he's just he's popping87000:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.440



up like every five minutes stabbing someone, Like, it's just87100:48:43.519 --> 00:48:47.639



it's not scary anymore. It's just a little ridiculous. Plus87200:48:47.679 --> 00:48:51.760



you have this really ridiculous plot point with the baby87300:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.800



and the neighbor of Kara that's now she's a relative87400:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.440



of Laurie Strode, you know, and you have her son87500:48:59.599 --> 00:49:05.000



and her scumbag father. Everyone in this movie sucks. They're awful.87600:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.360



Tommy Lloyd's a jerk, like the whole movie. You don't87700:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.000



even know if like, are you a good guy? You87800:49:12.119 --> 00:49:14.880



a bad guy? Like your trauma's making you really weird?87900:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.679



They should Yeah, it should have been like, yeah, the88000:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.639



trauma of Halloween or something, because instead of the Curse88100:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.039



of Michael, maybe that is what the curson Michael Myers88200:49:23.079 --> 00:49:26.840



actually is, the trauma of Halloween, because yeah, there's no88300:49:26.920 --> 00:49:31.320



sympathetic characters in the entire story, and it's fun seeing88400:49:31.360 --> 00:49:35.440



Paul Rudd in the film, i think, but outside of that,88500:49:35.639 --> 00:49:39.679



it's Yeah, it's a very very strange movie and and88600:49:39.880 --> 00:49:42.800



hard to know what to fully do with it. Because88700:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.880



it's also this thing where in the early films, Michael88800:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.800



Myers seems to be like very much almost like an88900:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.960



empty vessel. He doesn't feel seemed fully human. He's completely89000:49:53.079 --> 00:49:57.960



just this like kind of like metaphor maybe for just89100:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.280



like how irrational kind of like death is. Is this89200:50:01.440 --> 00:50:04.119



thing that is coming that can't be reason with. It's89300:50:04.159 --> 00:50:08.320



like coming for you. And he doesn't really seem to89400:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.480



take any pleasure or feel much of anything. And what89500:50:11.559 --> 00:50:14.159



he's doing, he's just doing it and that's what makes89600:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.280



it so terrifying. You can't stop him, and he doesn't89700:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.599



really seem to be enjoying it or feeling anything one89800:50:20.599 --> 00:50:22.360



way or to the other. And I feel like in89900:50:22.360 --> 00:50:25.360



the Curse of Michael Myers, there are these weird moments90000:50:25.360 --> 00:50:27.280



where like he'll be killing someone and then he'll like90100:50:27.400 --> 00:50:29.360



ratchet it up and it like ratchets to gore up,90200:50:29.440 --> 00:50:33.159



like the scene at the very beginning where the character90300:50:33.239 --> 00:50:35.679



is like stabbed with like a rake or something that's90400:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.760



there and then he like basically pushes on her after90500:50:38.840 --> 00:50:41.519



she's like bleeding out, and it makes this scene much90600:50:41.559 --> 00:50:45.079



more gory, but it but it seems to imply he's90700:50:45.079 --> 00:50:48.360



taking like a sadistic pleasure and kind of really torturing90800:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.760



and fucking around with people like that. But that pleasure90900:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.960



is like weird because it almost makes him something other91000:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.320



than that character from the first that's amost like robotic91100:50:59.440 --> 00:51:02.519



and dist unknowable exactly.91200:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.519



In the first movie, I mean, he's just killing people,91300:51:05.880 --> 00:51:07.960



but I mean he stabs them and that was it,91400:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.639



and he would maybe stare at them for a moment,91500:51:10.679 --> 00:51:16.400



like almost processing it. But there was no adding insult91600:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.599



to injury kind of thing. There was no pleasure that91700:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.159



he was getting out of this. There was no sick satisfaction.91800:51:23.320 --> 00:51:26.079



And then in the later movies it does change that91900:51:26.199 --> 00:51:29.239



dynamic and he goes from being like this shape, this boogeyman,92000:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.039



to being like it almost humanizes him in a way,92100:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.000



because it's a very human characteristic to take pleasure out92200:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.440



of something as twist. Sick and twisted is whatever you're92300:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.280



getting pleasure out of is. But he was human shaped92400:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.679



but very not human, which made him so scary, and92500:51:45.719 --> 00:51:51.719



they changed that dynamic of him, which just doesn't work92600:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.280



for the character that they had established her and he's92700:51:54.320 --> 00:51:58.719



an established character. This is his personality. He's devoid of personality,92800:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.079



and then you almost just give him like these glimpses92900:52:02.239 --> 00:52:05.199



of a personality, which is very strange.93000:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.119



It's a bad impulse to go down that path, but93100:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.159



it's the path, like you alluded to I think earlier93200:52:10.199 --> 00:52:14.119



that they kind of were trying to do in Halloween five. Well, this,93300:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.960



you know, Michael Myers is unknowable, and so Jamie Lloyd93400:52:18.079 --> 00:52:21.800



can have these like psychic senses of what he's feeling93500:52:21.920 --> 00:52:26.159



or maybe thinking, and we will kind of add different93600:52:26.239 --> 00:52:29.719



layers to Michael Myers, like through her. But but none93700:52:29.760 --> 00:52:33.239



of these things ultimately like work very well. Attempting to93800:52:33.400 --> 00:52:36.639



kind of add some kind of humanness or kind of93900:52:36.800 --> 00:52:38.840



rationality onto Michael Myers.94000:52:39.199 --> 00:52:40.800



I think part of the problem is they didn't follow94100:52:40.840 --> 00:52:42.519



through with any of it. I think if they maybe94200:52:42.519 --> 00:52:47.840



followed through like when Jamie in the fifth movie you94300:52:47.880 --> 00:52:50.039



Know says she's lying in the cask and she goes94400:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.719



uncle and she like reaches out to touch him, they94500:52:53.760 --> 00:52:56.199



don't follow through with that. He waits for a second.94600:52:56.239 --> 00:52:57.719



You feel like he's going to react, and then he94700:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.679



goes back to trying to kill her. Either follow through94800:53:00.719 --> 00:53:04.360



with that moment and show this momentary humanity where he94900:53:04.440 --> 00:53:08.400



acknowledges the relationship between them, or don't have the moment95000:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.599



at all because it's not working in what you're doing,95100:53:10.639 --> 00:53:14.599



because it's like you're you're teasing the humanity, and he's95200:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.800



not a human. He doesn't have that humanity in him,95300:53:18.159 --> 00:53:22.480



so it doesn't work. Either go all the way with it, yeah,95400:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.719



and change that part of him, or don't bother doing95500:53:25.760 --> 00:53:27.559



it because it's not working the half. That's why you're95600:53:27.599 --> 00:53:31.159



doing it now. Speaking a convolute of timeline, though, you95700:53:31.199 --> 00:53:34.440



get Halloween twenty years later, which my entire life I95800:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.800



thought was called Halloween h two L only recently that95900:53:38.360 --> 00:53:38.719



it's not.96000:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.559



Well, it's a weird title. Still, both of us are weird,96100:53:42.639 --> 00:53:46.159



whether it's a title referencing water or a title that's96200:53:46.199 --> 00:53:50.119



about the anniversary of the franchise, because it does so96300:53:50.239 --> 00:53:54.159



position like I generally have an aversion to films that96400:53:54.679 --> 00:54:00.079



openly position themselves as like a kind of nostalgic re96500:54:00.159 --> 00:54:04.840



union and titling the film twenty years later, I mean,96600:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.000



for all of the problems and it's a terrible film,96700:54:07.320 --> 00:54:09.119



like the Curse of Michael Myers. This sounds like a96800:54:09.119 --> 00:54:10.960



cool film, just if I'm just looking at the title,96900:54:11.000 --> 00:54:13.880



like I want to see what this is about telling97000:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.199



me there's Halloween twenty years later. It sounds like the97100:54:16.239 --> 00:54:19.000



extra features like on a DVD, Like it has a97200:54:19.159 --> 00:54:23.519



very weird tame. Let's like invite the audience to look97300:54:23.559 --> 00:54:25.760



at how much has changed and how much fun we97400:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.920



enjoy this series vibe that like I'm generally put off by.97500:54:28.960 --> 00:54:30.719



I don't think it's the worst film of the of97600:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.599



the Bunch, and I think there's good things about it,97700:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.320



but just the whole, the whole concept of twenty years97800:54:35.400 --> 00:54:40.000



later is something that in general would not be a97900:54:40.000 --> 00:54:41.119



big selling point for me.98000:54:41.519 --> 00:54:45.280



It's very high school reunion feeling like it is. It's98100:54:45.400 --> 00:54:46.679



it's very high school reunion.98200:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.400



That's appropriate. It's at a private school. Is that a privacy?98300:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.760



It is? It's appropriate. It works objectively, not the worst98400:54:53.800 --> 00:54:55.800



in the franchise. There are some things about it that98500:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.679



are really fun. I think Elle Kooljay brings like a98600:54:58.719 --> 00:55:03.079



great sense of comedic As as dumb as his lines are,98700:55:04.079 --> 00:55:09.519



it works. I think he's funny. But they totally ondo98800:55:09.639 --> 00:55:13.360



the events of the last three movies. Laurie's no longer98900:55:13.400 --> 00:55:17.119



dead this one. She faked her death. She's living in California,99000:55:17.239 --> 00:55:20.239



she has a son, She's a dean now out of99100:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.719



private high school. She you know, she changed her name,99200:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.679



but she has spent the last twenty years looking over99300:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.639



her shoulder waiting for her brother, because they kept that99400:55:29.760 --> 00:55:34.559



storyline waiting for him to come back. And the one99500:55:34.639 --> 00:55:38.639



thing that works for me is that Laurie is still99600:55:39.039 --> 00:55:42.400



very much the final girl in this movie. Like she's99700:55:42.519 --> 00:55:47.960



very badass, love that, very strong, like she's she's out99800:55:48.039 --> 00:55:50.360



for him, Like if he's coming for her, she's gonna99900:55:50.360 --> 00:55:52.400



come right back for him. I also really loved the100000:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.800



cameo from Janetly that just that made my heart really happy.100100:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.559



I forgot. She makes get. She's very cute, so objectively100200:55:59.760 --> 00:56:05.239



not terrible. It's a little cheesy. Michael is over the100300:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.639



top with his kills. They're really gross in this one,100400:56:08.920 --> 00:56:14.400



with the dumb waiter and the girl's leg, and it's100500:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.159



a lot. They really went over the top with this one.100600:56:18.480 --> 00:56:20.760



It's a weird mismash too. I mean, we're like heading100700:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.920



into like Dawson's Creek territory, and this is the same100800:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.679



era as like not only Dawson's Creek, but also horror100900:56:27.719 --> 00:56:29.559



films look different by the time we get to the101000:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.800



late nineties and we're having stuff like the faculty and101100:56:33.280 --> 00:56:35.920



things like that. I mean, I feel like before so101200:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.679



we think back to the nineteen seventies in nineteen eighties.101300:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.400



I feel like, especially in nineteen eighties, people that were101400:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.400



high schoolers look like they're like thirty eight, right that101500:56:46.480 --> 00:56:48.599



are playing in here, And I feel like we're getting101600:56:48.800 --> 00:56:53.599



people in this film and in Resurrection that look they're101700:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.800



older than high schoolers, but they're looking a lot closer101800:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.719



to it, right than they look like kind of nineties101900:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.000



high schoolers, which maybe means you look like you're twenty102000:57:02.039 --> 00:57:05.199



five versus like thirty eight. And I don't know, what102100:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.360



do you think about the private school setting in this too?102200:57:08.199 --> 00:57:10.440



I think the biggest problem I had with the movie102300:57:10.559 --> 00:57:14.239



is like, not even necessarily the private school, which I mean,102400:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.679



is a little ridiculous, like that he's, you know, hunting102500:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.920



down these kids, or well, he's hunting down Lori at102600:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.800



the private school. It's more the fact that they've now102700:57:24.880 --> 00:57:26.719



changed the location and we're not in Hot and Build,102800:57:26.840 --> 00:57:33.039



Illinois anymore. We're in California. Michael drove to California, which.102900:57:33.119 --> 00:57:35.000



Like when he drives in the franchise too. There's something103000:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.039



weird about this happened in part five as well, at103100:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.599



the worst moment, like vehicular homicide should not be a103200:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.159



part of the of a kind of Slasher's Toolbox, and103300:57:45.280 --> 00:57:50.519



especially Michael Myers is like he's he's essentially like nonhuman,103400:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.239



like we're saying, and kind of driving a car just103500:57:53.239 --> 00:57:57.880



seems like a very strange, mundane way to kill people.103600:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.519



I don't know, I kind of have a expect him103700:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.159



to walk very slowly a very long distance, like one103800:58:04.199 --> 00:58:06.760



of the Zombies and George Romera film or something.103900:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.599



I feel like it would fit better if he had104000:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.000



walked that whole way. It would just it would feel104100:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.559



like it was more fitting to his character to just104200:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.960



walk it, because like what Michael Myers getting in a car,104300:58:19.039 --> 00:58:21.519



Like what is he listening to? You know?104400:58:21.800 --> 00:58:24.199



Especially a part five, It's like, yeah, it's like I104500:58:24.400 --> 00:58:26.400



can't remember what car it was, like Buick Vibes or104600:58:26.559 --> 00:58:28.880



Vibes or something. It's like driving it, it's not doesn't104700:58:28.880 --> 00:58:30.199



really feel like Michael Myers.104800:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.440



It doesn't. It's strange. So the private school thing is weird.104900:58:34.639 --> 00:58:39.480



The kills are weird. Laurie's her paranoia seemed really forced.105000:58:39.880 --> 00:58:41.960



It just if some part of it didn't work for me,105100:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.639



and I feel like maybe it's because they they had105200:58:45.679 --> 00:58:48.920



it set so far after like the events of this movie.105300:58:49.119 --> 00:58:51.639



It's just it's it's weird. And then they do that105400:58:51.639 --> 00:58:56.000



that human that humanity thing with Michael Myers, like she's105500:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.480



you know, he's reaching out for Laurie at the end,105600:58:58.480 --> 00:59:02.199



after he's like pinned between the t in the ambulance,105700:59:02.599 --> 00:59:05.280



You're reaching out for her and she look like, you know,105800:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.239



she's gonna touch his hand, and then the moment like105900:59:08.320 --> 00:59:11.559



just disappears like immediately, and it's why, why are we106000:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.320



making him human and why is she entertaining the idea106100:59:15.320 --> 00:59:18.920



of he's his humanity because that's not her character.106200:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.199



Yeah, it's like and this is where I think if106300:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.480



you're looking over the larger franchise, I know it's not106400:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.880



the purpose to Night, but like David Gordon Green's Halloween,106500:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.960



for all the big issues that exists with that trilogy,106600:59:30.639 --> 00:59:35.800



I think making her like a paranoid prepper in his version,106700:59:36.239 --> 00:59:38.840



that tracks a little better if you're trying if the106800:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.440



goal is to show that she's paranoid and she's someone's106900:59:41.440 --> 00:59:44.599



been traumatized by these things, well, yeah, like you've kind107000:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.320



of barricade yourself with a like a rich private school,107100:59:47.400 --> 00:59:49.480



Like I get that you're kind of within the walls.107200:59:49.519 --> 00:59:52.400



That's and you're kind of there and safe and anonymous.107300:59:52.599 --> 00:59:57.599



But yeah, I think that his version at least seem like, well,107400:59:57.639 --> 01:00:01.519



she's fucking crazy and she's had this traumatic experience in107501:00:01.559 --> 01:00:06.679



a kind of psychological break. That felt like, actually, that's107601:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.679



closer to what that level of trauma would look like,107701:00:09.679 --> 01:00:11.920



which would be like comparable to like a war experience,107801:00:12.239 --> 01:00:16.159



right exactly, versus your you know, you're teaching best to107901:00:16.280 --> 01:00:18.880



rich kids, you know, different if.108001:00:18.760 --> 01:00:20.719



They were going to lean into her trauma, like her108101:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.719



having this trauma responds her this paranoid at this level108201:00:23.719 --> 01:00:26.039



of PTSD. It's like, follow through with it. Why is108301:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.079



she teaching out of private school? Like? It just doesn't work.108401:00:28.119 --> 01:00:30.760



It's weird. Again, it's like a follow through thing. Either108501:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.639



follow through and make her super paranoid like this prepper108601:00:34.519 --> 01:00:38.440



like they do in the reboot, or make her like108701:00:39.159 --> 01:00:43.920



more well adjusted than she is. It's a weird mix.108801:00:44.519 --> 01:00:48.440



And then you have Halloween Resurrection where they just absolutely108901:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.840



annihilate her character literally.109001:00:52.159 --> 01:00:55.599



Which is in some ways it's weird to say, but like,109101:00:55.639 --> 01:00:57.679



in some ways, I think Halloween Resurrection, I don't think109201:00:57.719 --> 01:00:59.760



it's the worst film of the entire franchise. I still109301:00:59.800 --> 01:01:03.239



think Curse and Michael Myers is that is arguably the109401:01:03.280 --> 01:01:08.800



most gimmicky of the franchise. The whole reality television kind109501:01:08.840 --> 01:01:13.800



of dimension of Halloween Resurrection. It feels like such a109601:01:14.000 --> 01:01:18.199



cheap kind of trade in, like a play to something109701:01:18.360 --> 01:01:19.960



very much of the kind of like here and Now.109801:01:20.000 --> 01:01:21.480



I feel like some of our films were at least109901:01:21.519 --> 01:01:25.159



kind of looking back to these kinds of slasher traditions110001:01:25.239 --> 01:01:28.119



and the kind of mythology of the own series. Even110101:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.559



when it goes off the rail and it's not there,110201:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.599



they're still trying to do something and tap into that110301:01:33.639 --> 01:01:35.639



magic from the original. And I feel like with Halloween110401:01:35.679 --> 01:01:40.320



Resurrection it is tapping into like strange elements. So it's110501:01:40.320 --> 01:01:43.280



not cool Jay's time, but we do have bust of rhymes.110601:01:43.440 --> 01:01:47.239



It's not that, you know, we have this kind of110701:01:47.400 --> 01:01:50.960



reality television as this thing right in the early two thousands.110801:01:50.960 --> 01:01:54.159



It's going to explode with Survivor and all these different110901:01:54.159 --> 01:01:56.440



shows that are out there. So of course we have111001:01:56.559 --> 01:01:59.159



like a TV crew that's filming a reality show.111101:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.679



It's weird, it's very strange, it's very bizarre. I think111201:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.480



I dislike this movie the most. It's just it's a111301:02:05.519 --> 01:02:09.840



hard watch for me. I don't. I did not enjoy111401:02:10.000 --> 01:02:14.199



my rewatching experience, like watching it. It's Tyra Banks, isn't it.111501:02:14.239 --> 01:02:16.519



We kill off Laurie Strode in the first ten minutes.111601:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.440



She herself is locked up in an asylum now, and.111701:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.119



That's the most inexcusable part of that, I think of111801:02:21.159 --> 01:02:24.480



the entire film is the kind of really gimmicky death111901:02:24.920 --> 01:02:27.599



with Laurie straight at the beginning because she's locked up112001:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.880



in the asylum. But she's like worse off after the112101:02:29.880 --> 01:02:32.679



events of H two O than she was like after112201:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.199



the previous twenty years. It just doesn't really make a112301:02:35.239 --> 01:02:35.840



lot of sense.112401:02:36.199 --> 01:02:40.199



It doesn't. It's very bizarre. It's very not what her112501:02:40.400 --> 01:02:46.599



character arc should have been. And also you're telling me112601:02:47.199 --> 01:02:52.159



that she gets taken out by Michael Myers in the112701:02:52.239 --> 01:02:56.360



dumbest way possible, trying to unmask him, and then she112801:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.079



kisses his mask and says, see you in Hell, and112901:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.280



then she like falls to her death. What are you113001:03:01.559 --> 01:03:02.400



talking about?113101:03:02.559 --> 01:03:04.880



Well, yeah, this is I don't I can't remember when113201:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.519



Jason Goes to Hell came out, but I was hoping113301:03:07.559 --> 01:03:10.559



they were not like teeing up the Michael goes to113401:03:10.639 --> 01:03:15.360



Hell kind of next film. But yeah, it's odd that113501:03:15.440 --> 01:03:19.039



we do get buster rms pulling out Kung Fu to113601:03:19.119 --> 01:03:22.440



fight Michael Myers, and so that does a memorable scene.113701:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.039



At least in this it felt like a lot of113801:03:25.039 --> 01:03:28.679



the reality television stuff was more about just trying to113901:03:28.719 --> 01:03:32.400



create suspense in a way where look, there's people who114001:03:32.440 --> 01:03:35.519



are watching this who have more information than the people114101:03:35.679 --> 01:03:38.599



experiencing it, and that's where the kind of suspense kind114201:03:38.599 --> 01:03:41.199



of comes from. But as the viewer, when we have114301:03:41.440 --> 01:03:43.960



all of the information, it like actually makes it less114401:03:43.960 --> 01:03:47.800



suspenseful somehow, because we're, yeah, it's weird.114501:03:48.159 --> 01:03:53.039



It's very weird. It works the least for me for114601:03:53.239 --> 01:03:57.519



all of the movies, but as a whole, I mean,114701:03:57.559 --> 01:03:59.840



the franchise is what it is. We got, you know,114801:04:00.119 --> 01:04:02.880



Rob Zombie made two movies. We got an entire reboot114901:04:02.920 --> 01:04:07.360



where they erased everything that happened in all of the115001:04:07.400 --> 01:04:11.119



previous movies and started again this time. They're not related.115101:04:11.800 --> 01:04:16.239



It spanned forty years. I mean, it's credit where credit115201:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.360



is due, and I think.115301:04:18.199 --> 01:04:21.440



This is where people have to appreciate. Whenever people I've115401:04:21.440 --> 01:04:25.239



always thought the criticism of some of the reboots, which115501:04:25.239 --> 01:04:27.280



I don't love a lot of the reboots but like115601:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.079



I've always thought the criticism was unfair that they were115701:04:30.119 --> 01:04:35.519



somehow not like pure to the original, and a cod115801:04:35.760 --> 01:04:39.679



is responsible. I mean, he's that original producer working with Carpenter.115901:04:39.760 --> 01:04:44.480



He literally owns the franchise for after starting with Part four,116001:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.880



And so when we're talking about being original and true116101:04:47.920 --> 01:04:51.760



to the Halloween series, we're not just talking about Jamie116201:04:51.800 --> 01:04:54.800



Lee Curtison Part one. We're talking about the Curse of116301:04:54.840 --> 01:04:58.360



Michael Myers, We're talking about Halloween Resurrection, we are talking116401:04:58.400 --> 01:05:03.039



about Halloween in Part five, the Revenge of Michael Myers.116501:05:03.519 --> 01:05:06.519



And so the idea that you know that people will116601:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.840



be criticized for wanting to reinvent and just not pull116701:05:09.960 --> 01:05:11.760



on the narrative strands of some of those films that116801:05:11.760 --> 01:05:13.840



we've already kind of talked about, like have some pretty116901:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.320



big issues. Don't think that's totally fair.117001:05:16.920 --> 01:05:21.320



I agree, it's not fair when the original franchise did117101:05:21.360 --> 01:05:23.559



the exact same thing. It's not fair they're trying to117201:05:23.559 --> 01:05:27.760



breathe new life into the series, especially when Mustapha Akod's117301:05:27.880 --> 01:05:31.440



son Malik is the producer on the new ones, like117401:05:31.480 --> 01:05:36.000



he's trying to reinvigorate, you know, his father's legacy. It's117501:05:36.039 --> 01:05:40.039



not done in out of disrespect for the original franchise.117601:05:40.119 --> 01:05:44.519



It's done with love for the original franchise. You know.117701:05:44.599 --> 01:05:46.239



I kept wondering. I don't know if he knows or not,117801:05:46.280 --> 01:05:48.760



but I kept wondering, like, how were these films received117901:05:48.960 --> 01:05:52.119



in Aleppo or these like, you know, the areas where118001:05:52.119 --> 01:05:56.119



he was actually from, because he makes these religious films118101:05:56.159 --> 01:06:00.440



that are very beloved and celebrated to this day area118201:06:00.480 --> 01:06:03.800



and he's very well respected still, and I kept wondering, like,118301:06:03.880 --> 01:06:08.679



how are these films watched or received over there, you know, particular,118401:06:08.800 --> 01:06:11.559



like like how does the Curse of Michael Myers read118501:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.320



in Syria or other places? Like how does that? What118601:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.320



is the kind of the critical response that it's interesting?118701:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.000



It is interesting, And I don't know exactly what the118801:06:21.079 --> 01:06:24.800



response is for like the movies specifically, but I know118901:06:25.039 --> 01:06:29.440



in Syria and other Islamic countries they consider Mustafa a119001:06:29.519 --> 01:06:35.360



Cod to be their Alfred Hitchcock. Like he is widely revered.119101:06:36.039 --> 01:06:39.519



And it's that tension between he's like a devout Muslim,119201:06:39.679 --> 01:06:43.280



right and takes that very seriously and is making these films,119301:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.920



at least in part early on to make money to119401:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.639



do these films that he did mean a lot to him.119501:06:49.000 --> 01:06:52.559



I do wonder, like for in the nineteen eighties, at119601:06:52.639 --> 01:06:56.079



least early nineteen eighties, like how does that kind of119701:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.880



the people that he would consider like his like crowd119801:06:58.920 --> 01:07:02.159



and audience for some of his religious films. Are those119901:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.639



people the same audience for his Halloween films or does120001:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.679



he want them watching this? Would they have any objections120101:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.039



to this? Because I know he goes to great links120201:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.679



to to really vet the films that he's doing to120301:07:14.719 --> 01:07:18.519



make sure that his audience overseas would be okay with them,120401:07:19.159 --> 01:07:21.719



And I wondered how it worked with Halloween or these120501:07:21.880 --> 01:07:24.920



you know, very much considered something he's doing over here120601:07:24.960 --> 01:07:29.440



in kind of crazy Hollywood, but they're his, But they're120701:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.920



these kinds of more of a business than it is120801:07:32.679 --> 01:07:34.719



than some of you know, his films about Islam.120901:07:35.760 --> 01:07:40.000



Yeah, I think for Mustapha o Cod, I think he121001:07:40.400 --> 01:07:43.280



cared very much about the Halloween films, especially the later ones.121101:07:43.320 --> 01:07:44.719



He really didn't believe.121201:07:44.719 --> 01:07:46.119



It's wow to think about.121301:07:46.199 --> 01:07:51.559



Yeah, it's crazy, it is, it's nuts, but hey, he121401:07:51.599 --> 01:07:54.920



acknowledged that they were his bread and butter, but they121501:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.360



were not like where his heart was kind of thing.121601:07:58.800 --> 01:08:02.000



And you know, again, I don't I don't know how121701:08:02.280 --> 01:08:06.639



how much he cared how the Islamic community viewed them,121801:08:06.920 --> 01:08:09.360



because the heart of it, what he really wanted to121901:08:09.400 --> 01:08:15.239



do was bridge this gap between the Western and Eastern worlds.122001:08:15.719 --> 01:08:18.520



And throughout his life he lived his life blending his122101:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.720



Muslim in Arab culture with his adopted American one. He122201:08:21.800 --> 01:08:25.039



said that he inside of his home, he was one122301:08:25.159 --> 01:08:27.800



hundred percent Arab, he was one hundred percent of Muslim,122401:08:28.239 --> 01:08:30.239



and then the second he walked out of his door,122501:08:30.279 --> 01:08:34.079



he was one hundred percent American. Like he he loved122601:08:34.159 --> 01:08:37.840



being here, he loved making movies here, he loved the122701:08:38.039 --> 01:08:41.359



culture in the community here. But he he blended his122801:08:41.399 --> 01:08:43.760



two worlds. And he would travel back and forth to122901:08:44.479 --> 01:08:48.720



different you know, Jordan and Lebanon. His his daughter lived123001:08:48.760 --> 01:08:52.359



in Beirut, so he did a lot of traveling between123101:08:52.880 --> 01:08:56.000



you know, his two homes essentially, and he he would123201:08:56.079 --> 01:08:58.439



go on to Mary twice, you know, first to a123301:08:58.439 --> 01:09:02.119



woman named Patricia. They had three children, Malik, his daughter Rima,123401:09:02.279 --> 01:09:06.800



and then another son, Tarik. And then after his divorce,123501:09:06.840 --> 01:09:10.279



he married another woman, Susha, and they had a son123601:09:10.359 --> 01:09:15.079



named Zaid, and towards the end of his life. He123701:09:15.119 --> 01:09:17.279



was really looking forward to making another film. He wanted123801:09:17.279 --> 01:09:21.560



to make a film about Saladin. He was scouting for123901:09:22.840 --> 01:09:26.680



different places to film it, and unfortunately this is when124001:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.960



things end for him. You know. In November of two124101:09:30.000 --> 01:09:33.399



thousand and five, he's seventy five years old, he's really124201:09:33.439 --> 01:09:37.239



excited to work on Saladin, and he goes to Amman,124301:09:37.359 --> 01:09:40.840



Jordan to attend a wedding. He is in the lobby124401:09:40.840 --> 01:09:44.960



of the Radisson Sas hotel. He greets his daughter, who's124501:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.159



thirty five. At this point, Rima, who traveled from Beirut124601:09:48.520 --> 01:09:51.199



for the wedding, and a man and woman enter the hotel.124701:09:52.159 --> 01:09:56.079



Now the woman ultimately ends up leaving she's pushed out124801:09:56.159 --> 01:10:02.199



by this man, but shortly after the man enters the124901:10:02.239 --> 01:10:04.840



ballroom of the hotel where this wedding is taking place125001:10:04.880 --> 01:10:09.520



and an explosion goes off. The blast immediately kills Rima.125101:10:10.119 --> 01:10:14.680



Mustafa is severely injured, and at the same time, two125201:10:14.720 --> 01:10:17.119



other bombs go off at the Grand Hyat and days125301:10:17.159 --> 01:10:23.199



in in Aman nearby, causing even more devastation. The bombings125401:10:23.239 --> 01:10:25.520



took the lives of over fifty people. One hundred and125501:10:25.520 --> 01:10:30.079



fifteen others were injured. Mustapha Akad died three days after125601:10:30.119 --> 01:10:33.560



the attack from his injuries, and he suffered a massive125701:10:33.600 --> 01:10:38.119



heart attack as a result. At the devastation, Palestinian Authority125801:10:38.119 --> 01:10:40.960



President Mahmoud Abas said quote, we saw the outcome of125901:10:40.960 --> 01:10:43.600



the dangerous crime where there is no description for it126001:10:43.640 --> 01:10:47.159



in any dictionary. Those do not belong to any human race,126101:10:47.239 --> 01:10:51.600



Arab or Islam. Those are affiliated to obscurity, blackness and sabotage.126201:10:51.680 --> 01:10:56.159



May God curse them from this day until judgment day. Now.126301:10:56.319 --> 01:11:01.319



Very quickly Jordanian authorities uncovered what happened. According to The126401:11:01.399 --> 01:11:05.680



Washington Post, the bombings, which Al Qaida claimed responsibility for.126501:11:05.880 --> 01:11:09.279



They went online said yep, this was US. The bombings126601:11:09.319 --> 01:11:14.800



were conducted by four suicide bombers, Ali Hussein Ali, Shamari Rawad,126701:11:14.960 --> 01:11:20.680



just Sent, Mohammad Abed and Safah Muhammad Ali. All successfully126801:11:20.720 --> 01:11:26.640



detonated their bombs, but Ali Hussein's wife, Sashida Rishawi, failed126901:11:26.680 --> 01:11:29.920



to detonate hers, and that's why he made her leave127001:11:30.199 --> 01:11:36.000



at the Radison Hotel. So Relatives of Rishawi said that127101:11:36.039 --> 01:11:39.039



she had claimed to be radicalized after the US attacks127201:11:39.079 --> 01:11:42.560



on Falaja in November of two thousand and four and127301:11:42.640 --> 01:11:47.840



they wanted to quote, retake the Iraqi city from insurgents. Now,127401:11:47.880 --> 01:11:50.640



one of her relatives told the Washington Post quote, when127501:11:50.680 --> 01:11:53.199



she saw the number of people killed by the Marines,127601:11:53.399 --> 01:11:55.800



her husband used to bring the wounded and killed to127701:11:55.840 --> 01:12:00.439



their house. They buried some of the killed in their backyard. Now,127801:12:00.479 --> 01:12:03.560



the targets of the bombings were supposed to be Americans127901:12:03.800 --> 01:12:10.159



and Jews, However, only four Americans were victims of the bombings. Instead,128001:12:10.279 --> 01:12:12.960



a majority of the victims that were killed were Muslim128101:12:13.079 --> 01:12:18.039



and Jordanian citizens. And her relatives actually came out and said, well,128201:12:18.039 --> 01:12:20.119



we were really proud when she thought. We thought she128301:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.159



was going to do this because she was taking a scan.128401:12:23.479 --> 01:12:27.399



She was going to basically show the Americans like how128501:12:27.479 --> 01:12:30.920



powerful we are. But then she didn't kill Americans. She128601:12:31.039 --> 01:12:33.800



killed Muslims. And now like where we feel like really bad?128701:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.359



Like what do you mean now you feel bad? The128801:12:36.399 --> 01:12:40.359



investigation revealed that the four bombers traveled across the Iraqi128901:12:40.399 --> 01:12:43.520



border into Jordan three days before the attack and rented129001:12:43.560 --> 01:12:48.680



a home. The explosives were determined to be manufactured outside129101:12:48.680 --> 01:12:52.279



of Jordan, and they believed that most of the parts129201:12:52.319 --> 01:12:56.600



came from Yugoslavia, but the detonator was fashioned from hand129301:12:56.680 --> 01:13:00.000



grenades and they were added after their arrival in Jordan.129401:13:00.119 --> 01:13:03.800



In and authorities believe that Al Qaeda, frustrated over their129501:13:03.840 --> 01:13:07.159



fifteen thwarted attempts since two thousand and four, had shifted129601:13:07.199 --> 01:13:10.680



their focus and recruited non Jordan citizens for the bombings129701:13:10.680 --> 01:13:15.399



to throw off Jordan intelligence because the Jordan authorities kept129801:13:15.760 --> 01:13:20.479



catching these suicide bombers that they were recruiting in Jordan.129901:13:20.920 --> 01:13:25.880



So for like a year, they kept trying to commit130001:13:25.920 --> 01:13:29.319



these suicide bombings and they were stopped every single time.130101:13:29.479 --> 01:13:31.760



So the solution was, well, let's get people outside of130201:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.439



Jordan so they won't catch us and we can claim130301:13:34.479 --> 01:13:38.920



responsibility after the fact. Mustap Volokod's death was not widely130401:13:38.960 --> 01:13:42.760



covered in America. His wife didn't end up suing the130501:13:43.319 --> 01:13:47.800



Grand Hyat for basically not doing their due diligence to130601:13:47.960 --> 01:13:53.960



keep their patron safe. His death only received minimal attention130701:13:54.640 --> 01:13:57.279



in America, which was very strange because he had such130801:13:57.279 --> 01:14:02.079



a wide career here. But in Syria, the devastation of130901:14:02.159 --> 01:14:05.840



his loss was felt throughout the country, but the irony131001:14:05.880 --> 01:14:08.800



of his death was felt even more profoundly. He had131101:14:08.800 --> 01:14:11.439



dedicated so much of his career trying to show the131201:14:11.479 --> 01:14:14.600



beauty of Islam and bridge the gap between the two worlds,131301:14:14.640 --> 01:14:18.359



and then he's killed by Islamic fundamentalists, Like it's just131401:14:18.439 --> 01:14:23.439



it's tragically ironic that he spent so much of his131501:14:23.520 --> 01:14:29.159



life advocating for them, and then he's killed. And he131601:14:29.199 --> 01:14:34.239



had perceived multiple threats for decades over his movies, and131701:14:34.279 --> 01:14:39.600



he was so passionate about doing this work anyway. Mustapha131801:14:39.680 --> 01:14:42.079



cod was buried in his hometown of Aleipo, with his131901:14:42.159 --> 01:14:45.239



daughter Rima being buried near her family in Beirut, and132001:14:45.319 --> 01:14:48.960



she left behind a husband and two little boys. Her132101:14:49.000 --> 01:14:52.680



sons were four and two and she died. Aleipa would132201:14:52.680 --> 01:14:55.359



go on to name a school and a street after Mustapha,132301:14:55.479 --> 01:14:58.239



and Beirut would name a street in his honor as well.132401:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.359



Or his father's death, his son Malik had worked to132501:15:02.439 --> 01:15:05.720



honor and continue his father's legacy. As I said, he132601:15:05.800 --> 01:15:08.560



co produced the last three Halloween films his father worked on,132701:15:08.840 --> 01:15:12.960



and he produced the reboot Halloween, Halloween Kills, and Halloween Ends,132801:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.159



working to bring the franchise his father believed in so132901:15:16.279 --> 01:15:19.720



much to new audiences. He also hopes to finish his133001:15:19.720 --> 01:15:23.680



father's film Saladin, about the Muslim general, that Mustafa was133101:15:23.680 --> 01:15:28.039



working on before his death, and Malik said quote, my133201:15:28.119 --> 01:15:30.479



father had been semi retired at the time of his death.133301:15:30.600 --> 01:15:33.119



He had been focusing on overseas film projects, while I133401:15:33.159 --> 01:15:36.039



was responsible for the North American film projects such as133501:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.880



the Halloween series. Now that I've finished Halloween, I am133601:15:39.960 --> 01:15:42.960



finally free to revisit the making of Saladin. My being133701:15:43.000 --> 01:15:45.079



here in Hollywood, I see it every day and the133801:15:45.119 --> 01:15:47.800



image of Arabs here is horrible. Right now, we are133901:15:47.840 --> 01:15:50.520



working on several scripts that deal with political issues but134001:15:50.560 --> 01:15:54.079



are not propagandistic. We must make films about the Middle134101:15:54.119 --> 01:15:57.239



East Islam. We can't ask Hollywood to make our films134201:15:57.279 --> 01:16:00.720



for us. We need to change our own image. So134301:16:00.920 --> 01:16:04.199



Mustafa cod came to America with a dream to make movies,134401:16:04.520 --> 01:16:08.560



and he did succeed, simultaneously showing the world the story134501:16:08.560 --> 01:16:12.359



of Islam, but also creating a legacy with the Halloween franchise.134601:16:12.399 --> 01:16:16.920



People literally call him the grandfather of Halloween. And while134701:16:16.960 --> 01:16:20.399



not as celebrated as John Carpenter for bringing Michael Myers134801:16:20.439 --> 01:16:23.680



to life, it is thanks to Mustafa that the movies134901:16:23.760 --> 01:16:30.039



have endured for over forty years. It's very it's really sad,135001:16:30.239 --> 01:16:34.199



especially because he was killed so violently by the community135101:16:34.199 --> 01:16:35.319



that he advocated for.135201:16:36.159 --> 01:16:40.119



It's interesting because before we were kind of looking into this,135301:16:40.199 --> 01:16:42.760



like I knew, I knew that he had died, and135401:16:42.800 --> 01:16:45.600



I knew of the name, but I didn't really know135501:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.800



too much about him. And it is strange, like you said,135601:16:47.840 --> 01:16:52.039



because this franchise, I do, everybody kind of knows John Carpenter,135701:16:52.600 --> 01:16:56.159



and for good reason, but at least with this franchise,135801:16:56.680 --> 01:17:00.439



a Cod is more associated with the kind of you know,135901:17:00.479 --> 01:17:03.239



the labor of this franchise as a whole. Then even136001:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.880



John Carpenter, John Carpenter is largely gone outside the music136101:17:06.880 --> 01:17:09.800



that we're also familiar with and love, like after the136201:17:09.880 --> 01:17:13.800



third film, and so I really think about before I136301:17:13.800 --> 01:17:16.479



even knew who he was. I remember like just seeing136401:17:16.760 --> 01:17:18.880



every time I put on a Halloween film and see136501:17:18.920 --> 01:17:22.520



like a Mustafa Cod production something like pop up. It's136601:17:22.520 --> 01:17:25.239



like the first thing you see when these movies start.136701:17:25.439 --> 01:17:28.600



And so I feel like his presence is all over136801:17:28.640 --> 01:17:32.760



these films, and it's certainly, you know, over these holidays.136901:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.680



It's really interesting to hear more about him because he137001:17:35.720 --> 01:17:40.159



has such an such an interesting life, and I feel137101:17:40.159 --> 01:17:45.479



like with the horror community, John Carpenter is so big137201:17:46.000 --> 01:17:48.800



and has such an outsize influence so so many people rightly,137301:17:49.319 --> 01:17:52.239



but it overshadows maybe some of the other people who137401:17:52.319 --> 01:17:56.520



help kind of propel his works forward. And then the137501:17:56.600 --> 01:18:00.000



true crime community, things that are the result of tar137601:18:00.039 --> 01:18:03.560



rorism typically or not the focus of many of discussions.137701:18:03.680 --> 01:18:07.640



This is essentially a mass murder, but one hundred and137801:18:07.800 --> 01:18:11.159



fifteen plus people injured, right and fifty seven people killed137901:18:11.159 --> 01:18:13.760



over all these bombings that are taking place during the138001:18:13.760 --> 01:18:15.800



period you mentioned, And so I feel like it's a138101:18:15.920 --> 01:18:18.600



very strange space he's in that caused him to be138201:18:18.840 --> 01:18:22.520



forgotten in some ways, where with true crime, this is138301:18:22.560 --> 01:18:24.600



like one of the first shows to cover this and138401:18:25.439 --> 01:18:29.279



stuff evolving terrorism that especially terrorism on a kind of138501:18:29.319 --> 01:18:32.439



international scale typically isn't talked about in the horror community.138601:18:32.520 --> 01:18:35.680



It's more John Carpenter or Jamie Lee Curtis. So he's138701:18:35.760 --> 01:18:37.840



kind of lost in both worlds.138801:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.079



He is. He's very much lost in the shuffle. I mean,138901:18:41.199 --> 01:18:45.079



even I know nobody in the true crime community that139001:18:45.119 --> 01:18:48.239



have like actively covered terrorism. I did it once in139101:18:48.279 --> 01:18:51.039



an interview and it was very brief because my guest139201:18:51.199 --> 01:18:54.239



was specifically involved in counter terrorism. That is what he139301:18:54.319 --> 01:18:57.560



did for his job. But we didn't go over that.139401:18:57.680 --> 01:18:59.439



I think a lot of people in true crime times139501:18:59.439 --> 01:19:02.479



to stay from it. I tend to stay away from139601:19:02.520 --> 01:19:06.119



it because it tends to be very involved. It's hard139701:19:06.239 --> 01:19:10.720



to research. It is again in the horror community. I mean,139801:19:10.760 --> 01:19:14.600



you think Halloween, you think John Carpenter, you think Jamie139901:19:14.640 --> 01:19:16.399



Lee Hardis. Those are the names you think of. You140001:19:16.439 --> 01:19:20.560



think you know Donald Pleasants, you think Nick Castle. You know,140101:19:20.720 --> 01:19:24.079



that's that's who you think of. No one thinks about140201:19:24.760 --> 01:19:29.119



Mustafa Khan. He's the one that without him, we might140301:19:29.159 --> 01:19:32.479



not have Halloween at all. He would have had to140401:19:32.520 --> 01:19:34.399



find someone else to and he was pay He pitched140501:19:34.439 --> 01:19:37.560



it with one sentence, babysitter killed by boogeyman. That's it.140601:19:39.359 --> 01:19:43.359



How many people are like, Okay, great, what else? You know?140701:19:43.439 --> 01:19:45.800



He believes in it so much. He still believes in140801:19:45.840 --> 01:19:49.399



it even when things got really convoluted, Like he believed140901:19:49.439 --> 01:19:53.359



in it so much. And yeah, they're a little cheesy now,141001:19:53.399 --> 01:19:58.479



but it's had a forty plus year legacy for a reason.141101:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.479



And despite the fact that you know, we poke fun141201:20:03.560 --> 01:20:07.039



at some of the later iterations of the Halloween franchise.141301:20:07.840 --> 01:20:11.199



Just for the record, since if anybody is listening to141401:20:11.239 --> 01:20:13.920



this because they were looking for Halloween or Mustafa Cod,141501:20:13.920 --> 01:20:15.760



We're probably gonna be the only one that pops up.141601:20:16.439 --> 01:20:20.159



I do want to be clear that the whole season141701:20:20.880 --> 01:20:24.239



and the ability to celebrate it is a better season141801:20:24.399 --> 01:20:27.840



for all of us because Mustapha A. Cod made these movies.141901:20:28.239 --> 01:20:32.520



Even the worst films in this franchise, contribute to the142001:20:32.640 --> 01:20:35.760



entire spirit of the season in a meaningful way that142101:20:35.880 --> 01:20:39.560



would not exist if he had not made these so142201:20:39.560 --> 01:20:42.039



so I think for that, I think it's we can142301:20:42.079 --> 01:20:44.000



poke fun at these and there's and some of them142401:20:44.039 --> 01:20:48.199



are not that good, but there's I'm glad that they exist,142501:20:48.239 --> 01:20:51.640



and I'm glad that he kind of took these crazy chances,142601:20:51.800 --> 01:20:55.600



even the wild twists that I don't think make any142701:20:55.640 --> 01:20:58.039



sense in some of them and are vaguely you know,142801:20:58.319 --> 01:21:04.039



are pretty unsatisfied. Is still a better holiday in America142901:21:04.359 --> 01:21:06.199



because he made these movies.143001:21:06.600 --> 01:21:13.960



One thousand percent. It's they embody the season so well.143101:21:14.520 --> 01:21:18.800



And I mean without Michael Myers, we would not have143201:21:18.920 --> 01:21:23.800



Freddy or Jason like we wouldn't they were the response143301:21:23.840 --> 01:21:27.119



to Michael Myers. So it's we got a lot of143401:21:27.199 --> 01:21:31.560



movies because of this franchise, and yeah, it's it's fun143501:21:31.600 --> 01:21:33.600



to poke fun at them. Some of them are a143601:21:33.600 --> 01:21:36.359



little cheesy, some of them are not great. But the143701:21:36.479 --> 01:21:41.359



series of as a whole is brilliant for what it is.143801:21:41.560 --> 01:21:46.439



Especially the first movie is brilliant, brilliant, especially the opening credits,143901:21:46.520 --> 01:21:50.720



just with that Jackal Answern, that poorly done Jackal answer.144001:21:51.680 --> 01:21:53.760



Yeah, I feel like these opening sequences for all these144101:21:53.800 --> 01:21:55.520



are really good, and I feel like that's part of144201:21:55.560 --> 01:21:58.399



what makes this franchise so great, is like that promise144301:21:58.439 --> 01:22:00.720



of what we could get, even what doesn't fully delivered.144401:22:00.800 --> 01:22:04.199



I remember going to the theater to see Halloween Resurrection144501:22:04.720 --> 01:22:08.439



in two thousand and two and being really excited about144601:22:08.439 --> 01:22:11.760



singing our Halloween film. And even though Halloween Is Resurrection144701:22:11.960 --> 01:22:14.000



was not that good and I couldn't have anticipated I144801:22:14.039 --> 01:22:16.640



was going to see like kung Fu and Busta Rhymes144901:22:16.680 --> 01:22:20.039



and and things like that, that wasn't was expecting that145001:22:20.159 --> 01:22:23.079



promise of what the movie could be. Because we were145101:22:23.119 --> 01:22:26.800



able to see at its best, the Halloween franchise, the145201:22:26.840 --> 01:22:30.279



best moments in it, the best films are very very145301:22:30.319 --> 01:22:33.760



difficult to top. They're up there with the best classic145401:22:33.840 --> 01:22:36.680



horror films that you get, and so, and I think145501:22:36.720 --> 01:22:40.479



that because the franchise at different points had soared to145601:22:40.560 --> 01:22:45.199



such great heights, that there's always that promise that we145701:22:45.239 --> 01:22:47.600



could get it again. And I think that promise and145801:22:47.760 --> 01:22:51.680



having a film come out fairly regularly for a long145901:22:51.760 --> 01:22:56.399



stretch around the Halloween time like that's that that helped146001:22:56.479 --> 01:22:59.359



kind of make the holiday for me at least. And146101:22:59.399 --> 01:23:02.239



so I still enjoy going back and watching these even146201:23:02.680 --> 01:23:05.279



you know, I own Curse of Michael Myers, even though146301:23:05.319 --> 01:23:07.960



it's a film I don't even I don't even think146401:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.199



it's very good. I like having it. Still, It's part146501:23:11.199 --> 01:23:12.239



of the holiday.146601:23:12.640 --> 01:23:17.279



It really is, and I still forever will love this series.146701:23:17.840 --> 01:23:20.520



I need a mental health break from watching it, and146801:23:20.640 --> 01:23:24.000



I'm done for the season. I'm good. I'm good. Eight146901:23:24.079 --> 01:23:28.079



movies in five days, I'm good. But with that being said,147001:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.520



it's amazing. I love it dearly and I'm glad I147101:23:31.560 --> 01:23:34.760



got to cover them. But thank you for hanging out147201:23:34.760 --> 01:23:37.119



with me today talking Halloween.147301:23:38.079 --> 01:23:41.680



It was fun. I really enjoyed it. It was one147401:23:41.720 --> 01:23:45.720



of these interesting intersections between true crime and horror. That147501:23:45.840 --> 01:23:51.039



feels like celebrating the season while also kind of being147601:23:51.039 --> 01:23:54.479



able to say something nice about someone who has not147701:23:54.560 --> 01:23:57.880



talked about enough, who has done a lot for the147801:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.640



holiday in America. You mentioned that that image of him147901:24:00.640 --> 01:24:02.960



like walking out his house. He's one hundred percent American.148001:24:04.199 --> 01:24:08.840



American Halloween is so tied to this like franchise, and148101:24:08.880 --> 01:24:11.520



so so I think for all of that, I will148201:24:11.560 --> 01:24:15.920



be lighting a jack of lantern for Mustapha acad this year,148301:24:16.199 --> 01:24:18.960



and grateful that we have these movies to watch.148401:24:19.640 --> 01:24:22.760



Me too. For you guys, thank you so much for listening.148501:24:22.960 --> 01:24:26.760



Happy Almost Halloween. Got trick or treating. Get some good candy.148601:24:27.680 --> 01:24:30.159



Make sure it's not least with anything you know, just148701:24:30.199 --> 01:24:33.680



in case, I'll treats, no tricks, watch out for the Boogeyman,148801:24:34.760 --> 01:24:38.119



all that good stuff. And watch the Halloween movies, even148901:24:38.159 --> 01:24:40.760



if it's just the first one. You've got plenty of149001:24:40.760 --> 01:24:42.640



time to at least watch the first two by the149101:24:42.680 --> 01:24:45.800



time you listen to this. But as always, I hope149201:24:45.800 --> 01:24:48.239



you have a wonderful week and I will see you149301:24:48.359 --> 01:24:50.439



in the next chapter of the Book of the Dead.149401:24:50.960 --> 01:24:57.039



Happy Halloween. Another page closed, But the story isn't over149501:24:58.119 --> 01:25:01.159



for the families left behind. The pain doesn't end when149601:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.800



the headlines fade, and for the victims, we owe them149701:25:04.840 --> 01:25:09.239



more than silence. For our on salt cases. If you149801:25:09.279 --> 01:25:12.640



have any information, please reach out to local authorities or149901:25:12.760 --> 01:25:16.920



visit our show notes for links and resources. Someone out150001:25:16.960 --> 01:25:22.439



there knows something, Maybe it's you. Thank you for listening150101:25:22.439 --> 01:25:25.319



to the Book of the Dead. If this story moved150201:25:25.439 --> 01:25:27.960



or spoke to you in some way, talk about it,150301:25:28.479 --> 01:25:33.279



share it, Keep their names alive. Until next time, I'm150401:25:33.359 --> 01:25:40.119



Courtney Liso. Stay safe, stay curious, and stay vigilant, and150501:25:40.239 --> 01:25:44.039



remember the dead may be gone, but their stories will150601:25:44.079 --> 01:25:45.159



not be forgotten.