Oct. 28, 2025

Chapter 119: Behind The Mask-The Murder of Moustapha Akkad & The Birth of Halloween w/ Brian Santana

Chapter 119: Behind The Mask-The Murder of Moustapha Akkad & The Birth of Halloween w/ Brian Santana
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When it comes to John Carpenter's iconic franchise, Halloween, most people may be familiar, in the abstract, with the name Moustapha Akkad as his name is the first to appear in the opening credits for every movie. What fans of the series may not be familiar with is how integral Moustapha was to bringing the story of Michael Myers to life, producing all 8 original movies, even after John Carpenter, himself, left the series. 

To celebrate Halloween, Brian Santana joins me to talk about the life of Moustapha Akkad, the man born to a customs officer in Syria, who came to Hollywood to bring the story of Islam to life on the big screen. From his movie, The Message, to becoming the silent force behind one of the horror genre's greatest franchises, Moustapha Akkad's life was rich with creativity until his violent death at the hands of suicide bombers in Amman, Jordan. This is the story of his life and his enduring legacy, honoring the man who was so pivotal in making Michael Myers and the season what it is today. 


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Network INDEP Podcasts with the Twist. Hello, Hello, welcome to

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the next chapter of the Book of the Dead with me.

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I mean, at this point, I think you need no introduction.

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You're like my honorary co host at this point. But

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Brian's back. Thanks for joining me again.

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Thank you for having me. This is a fun topic

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to talk about on this days before Halloween.

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Yeah, so by the time you guys are listening to this,

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we were two days from Halloween, so I mean we're

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we're right in there. I talked about this last episode

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when I covered the Crow. I love Halloween. I love Halloween,

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I love horror movies. So what better way to celebrate

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my favorite holiday is talking about the man that brought

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us one of the best horror franchises of all time.

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So when you have something like a movie franchise that

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has endured for over forty years, you're bound to lose

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people along the way. Some people need to explore other

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creative avenues, some leave simply because they aren't interested in

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participating any longer, and some, over so many decades, die.

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It's a natural part of the longevity of a project.

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Very few people stick around the entire time. With that

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being said, there are those that see a project all

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the way through, helping it evolve to create a lasting legacy,

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even if their role is lesser known. When John Carpenter

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set out to bring his brain child Halloween to life,

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I doubt he realized the force it would become. Spanning

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eight original movies, two remakes, and a three film reboot,

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this franchise has truly stood the test of time. But

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much of its success can be attributed not just to

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John Carpenter, but to another man, A man who turned

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to the horror genre after struggling to find audiences to

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accept his religious films in an effort to bridge a

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gap between the Eastern and Western worlds. This man helped

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bring the story of Michael Myers to life, and did

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so by being involved in the production of the first

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eight films even after its creator left, until his violent

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death after a suicide bomber targeted a hotel in Aman

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where he was attending a wedding with his daughter. This

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is the murder of Mustafa al Acad Musapha Acot was

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born in Aleppo, Syria, on July Firse, nineteen thirty. He

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was the son of a customs officer and he was

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the oldest of eight children. While not too much is

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known about his childhood in Syria, according to the Washington Report,

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from a young age who was very vocal about wanting

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to come to America and make movies. Un deterred by

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those that discouraged him from his aspirations, urging him to

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quote limit his dreams to Arab film studios. Mustafa applied

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to UCLA with the help of his theater teacher at

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American Aleppo College, Douglas Hill, and was ultimately accepted to

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attend and study theater arts in nineteen forty nine, at

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the age of nineteen, Mustafa prepared to leave Syria to

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come to America to pursue his education and his dreams.

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Of his dreams to make films in America, Mustapha said, quote,

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the greatest achievement is being a film director in Hollywood.

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To me, it was a dream. It was a joke.

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When I was in Aleppo, I wanted to go and

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study film directing, and it was a joke because if

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you want to study directing, you then go to Egypt

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or to France. But I insisted to be in Hollywood.

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According to the Daily Saba, on the day he was

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to board his flight, his father handed him two hundred

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dollars he had saved from Mustafa and a pocket sized Kuran,

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saying quote, all I can do for you is give

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you these From now on, I may or may not

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see you again. Never forget my prayers were with you.

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With his father's blessing, u Staffa arrived in California, knowing little English,

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but prepared for the work necessary to succeed. After and

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academically accomplished four years at UCLA, he headed to the

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University of Southern California to earn his Master of Arts degree.

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As a student, Mustafa, like many who moved to a

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new country at a young age, struggled financially during his

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college years, working for wealthy families to earn money. And

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as his time at school drew to a close, Mustafa,

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who was proud and vocal of his heritage as a Syrian,

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but also just as proud of his Muslim faith, dreamed

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of making films to introduce the Western world to the

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origins of Islam and the prophet Mohammed. While in college,

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Mustafa went on to get a job working as a

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production assistant for director Sam Peckinpah, who was working on

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a film about the insurgency in Algeria against the French.

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But when the Algerian Revolution ended, the film was scrapped,

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but Peckinpah invited Mustapha to continue working with him, this

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time on the Western film Ride the High Country at

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MGM Studios. Peck and pap would go on to mentor Mustafa,

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and when he later moved to CBS, pek and Pah

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encouraged him to produce his own show called As Others Cus.

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Mustafa founded a cod International production specializing primarily on documentaries

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and feature films, one of his early successes being Caesar's World,

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following Caesar Milan on his travels around the globe, and

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this success allowed Mustafa to expand his company with offices

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in Beirut, London, and Hollywood. In nineteen seventy two, with

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a number of successful projects to his name, Mustafa founded

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film Co International Productions and set his sights on what

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he really wanted to do, focusing on his dream to

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bring the story of Islam to America. So in nineteen

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seventy four, Mustapha set out to bring the story of

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the prophet Mohammad to life with his movie Mohammad the

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Messenger of God also called The Message. The film had

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been in the works for years at this point, but

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finally it was on the cusp of being a reality.

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In an interview about the film and his reasoning behind it,

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Mustapha said quote, I did the film because it is

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a personal thing for me. Besides its production values as

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a film, it has its story, its intrigue, its drama.

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Besides all this, I think there was something personal. Being

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a Muslim myself who lived in the West, I felt

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that it was my obligation, my duty to tell the

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truth about Islam. It is a religion that has a

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seven hundred million following. It's so little known about which

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surprised me. I thought, I should tell the story that

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will bring this bridge, this gap to the West. While

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his intentions with the movie were pure, there were many

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obstacles to overcome to bring his vision to life. There

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are strict rules in Islam about depicting the prophet Muhammad

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in art, so Mustapha needed to be creative in how

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he approached the film, opting to have the actors speak

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to the camera as if they were speaking to Muhammad himself. Additionally,

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Mustafa needed to seek approval from Islamic scholars regarding the script,

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and he also needed approval to actually make the film.

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He traveled to Saudi Arabia and Morocco, pitching his movie

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and receiving their support. However, in the middle of filming

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the Daunting project, which would be shot simultaneously in Arabic

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as well as English, the Moroccan and Saudi Arabian governments

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pulled their support, with Morocco, according to the Daily Saba,

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warning a cod to leave the country. Undeterred, Mustafa headed

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to Libya and received permission and full support to film

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the movie there, released in nineteen seventy six. There were

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those that praised Mustafa for the message, and it even

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received an Academy Award nomination for Best Score, but the

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movie did not release without controversy. While many Arab communities

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adored the film, Saudi Arabia originally banned it throughout the country,

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citing the violation of Islam code by the brief showing

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of what they believed to be the Prophet Mohammad's staff

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and camel. In America, while it had originally received a

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positive response, when it was to release in theaters in Washington,

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d C. A group of American Muslim converts stormed multiple buildings,

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taking countless people hostage, threatening their lives unless the movie

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was pulled. Ambassadors from Egypt, Pakistan, and Iran arrived to

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try and diffuse the situation, and a cod actually got

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involved himself. According to Encyclopedia dot com, he attempted to

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negotiate with their leader, Khalifa Hamasa abdul Kalise, urging him

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to allow Mustafa to allow him to show him the

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movie and if Kalise disapproved, he would burn it. But

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this offer was refused and a Cod withdrew the film

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from theaters to save people's lives. In a second attempt

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to release the film, Kalise threatened to have the theaters

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showing the movie be set on fire from his jail sale,

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which deterred moviegoers from watching it. So. While the Message

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would ultimately become a beloved film in Arab and Muslim communities,

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its controversies hindered Mustafa from getting funding for other projects

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focused on religious storytelling. So to raise money for future projects,

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Mustafa looked to producing films from other genres. In nineteen

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seventy eight, the then unknown John Carpenter approached Mustafa Akat

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to fund his horror movie project. Presented without a script,

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John simply told Mustafa, according to The Atlantic, that his

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movie told the story of a babysitter being killed by

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the boogeyman. In In interview Mustafa gave a few years

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after the fact, he said that he was fascinated by

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the concept of the film told to him in just

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fifteen minutes. He said, quote, I was very just captivated.

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I saw the images and I told him how much

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will it cost? Three hundred thousand dollars? How long will

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it take you? And he said five weeks. I said,

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let's go. He came a week later and said, I

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need twenty thousand dollars for a name, Donald Pleasance. I said, okay,

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So John Carpenter's Halloween, starring the then unknown Jamie Lee Curtis,

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Donald Pleasance, and both Nick Castle and Tony Moran playing

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the terrifying Michael Myers, opened on October twenty fifth, nineteen

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seventy eight, and shattered the box office, making over forty

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million dollars domestically on a three hundred and twenty five

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thousand dollars budget, spawning one of the biggest horror movie

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franchises of all time. And Mustafa Acad would go on

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to be involved with every movie in that franchise through

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two thousand and two until his murder. And we're going

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to come back to Mustafa and some of the other

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movies he made and the circumstances of his violent death.

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But I would be remiss if we didn't talk about

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the movies. They're part of his legacy. And not only that,

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there is a murder where the killer claimed one of

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the films inspired him to kill. That needs to be

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talked about as well. But Mussafa's son Malik said that

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when promoting the twenty eighteen reboot, that the Halloween movies

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are very personal. It's a very personal experience for fans

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of the franchise, and I do agree with that. I

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have a really soft spot for the original movie and

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still vividly remember the first time I watched it, Like,

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do you remember the first time you watched it? Or

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am I just like weirdly nostalgic?

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at least in my household, the first movie we would

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watch at the start of the Halloween season. So, and

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there used to be this whole kind of giveaway that

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Blockbuster Video would do when I was growing up, where

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they would actually they printed their own copies of the

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Halloween franchise. You can probably still find these on eBay

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with the Blockbuster lego on them, but they would give

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these out with horror movie rentals. She usually like the

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month of October at the very beginning. So I think

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for a long time for me, it was just the

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the years.

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So I watched Halloween for the first time of six

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I grew up on like the classic movie Monsters, but

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like to me, that wasn't horror. You know, before you

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can buy cars with like TVs in them and DVD players.

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VCR bungee course into the bottom of the van, and

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he would just when we would go on like trips

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down the shore and stuff, he would put on like

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you know, The Wolfman and Dracula and all of that.

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So those weren't scary to me. But I'm six years

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old and he goes, Corney, let's watch a movie. I go, okay.

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He goes, don't tell your mother. I said, okay, because

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we're gonna watch this scary movie. If you get nightmares

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and never showing you another scary movie, guy, I said, okay,

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we'll never forget it. We're watching this movie. I'm terrified.

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I am so scared. And my dad's going on and

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on and on about how amazing this movie is. It's

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so suspenseful. He's kicking me out every time there's a

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top scene on the TV screen. So I'm watching in

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the reflection of the picture frames on the wall, like, sorry, Dad,

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and I guess you not even know that like, I

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was terrified. Yes, it gave me nightmares, but I was

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I'll be damned if I was going to tell my

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dad I was scared. But that was like the first

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time I ever saw it, first horror movie ever, six

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years old. I loved it. It's it was just it's

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so good. I mean, okay, objectively, the series as a

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whole doesn't hold up.

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monster films. I think one of the things that was

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really this struck me going back and as we were

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like rewatching these like getting ready, was that this, even

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though I've seen it many times, I was just struck

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by like the lack of violence and gore in the

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first one, at least compared to the later one. There

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is violence. It is scary. It's just a very frightening film,

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but it's not as gory as you might imagine if

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you conflate just a lot of the different Halloway films together.

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It's not. And when you look at like the the

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big three of slasher movies, you know the namer on Elmstreet,

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you Friday the thirteenth, you know, Freddy and Jason are

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violent killers. They are very bloody movies, especially the first ones.

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You spend the entire movie really just kind of waiting

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for him to do something. He's you know, he's heavy

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breathing into the microphone, seeing things from his perspective, like

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it's it's creepy, and you just see him popping out

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of the shadows in the doorway. That was terrifying. It

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was like in a League of its own.

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to the bedroom and he's wearing like the sheet with

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the glasses and stuff like. That's as it's the scene

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I remember most, I think from the from the first one.

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I think that scene has forever burned into my brain,

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like that's like the scene I vividly remember the most

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of that. And when he is you know, he breaks

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on the closet door and Jamie Lee Curtis is like

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cowering on the floor. That's like the iconic scene of

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the movie. So you have that. You know, he's just

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called the shape in the script. The movie's very Halloween.

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It works so well, because he really was just this

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personification of evil, Like that's just what he wasn't you know.

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Donald Plausen's as Sam Loomis just keeps saying that, you know,

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he's evil, he's evil, he's evil, and you know, everyone's like,

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what are you talking about? Like, yeah, he's a really

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bad dude. He kills his sister, but like, what do

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you mean, what are you talking about?

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When it makes you wonder why there's a psychiatrist there,

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then if he's just, if he's evil, if that's the

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kind of psychiatric consensus and conclusion, it seems like we

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are we need someone to stumble out of the Exorcist

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or something and walk on to the set if that's

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the consensus exactly.

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And that's the one thing. And this is this Rob

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Zombie remake has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

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that they expand it on I met him being in

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the psychiatric hospital, because I don't know, maybe I'm just

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twisted and I like stuff like that, but that it

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gives you more insight into how his brain works, Like

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he's not just the personification of evil but or the

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embodiment of evil. But so you have this movie, it

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works so well, it's brilliant. You have the second movie

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released in nineteen eighty one, and is just like the

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first time, Like the changes are starting to be made

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because Laurie Strode is never intended to be Michael Myer's sister.

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Square for the sequel, they didn't have enough of a

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plot for a full movie, so they went back and

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they added in the story of Lauri being born two

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years after the original murder, and she's adopted, and the

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movie takes place in you know, Hadn't Field Memorial Hospital.

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The whole almost the entire movie. Sam Loomis is still

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chasing after Michael flyers like and object stiply, the second

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one works almost as well as the first.

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Well you can't help but wonder like, So this was

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a big hit with the first one. So the second

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one is nineteen eighty one, This is like after Star

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Wars and everything else. And I just kept thinking this

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last time rewatching it, that this whole twist, the disibling

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twist in Halloween too. It was reminded me of like

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the Star wars kind of like twists that we're going

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to get. It's like, what is it with these like

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Hollywood films where these these twists where these people were

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actually like siblings and stuff is kind of coming up?

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Everyone needs to be related.

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Everyone needs to be related. Yeah, I'm not even really

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sure how. I haven't done this yet, but if you

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go in with the idea, because whenever I watch the

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first one, I feel like I still watch as a

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standalone film, even though it has a direct sequel, even

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though it has these other movies. But I don't know

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what it does to how you read it. If you're

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watching the first one consciously thinking the entire time that

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their siblings, Like, how does that change the way that

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you kind of see that movie? I'm not sure. I

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just don't do it. I think I just I take

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that twist and the second one for kind of what

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it is. It feels kind of gimmicky to me at times,

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but it's not really something that affects like how I

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see the first one at all. Even when I go

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back with that knowledge.

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I think I consistently forget that they're related anytime I

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watch the first one, because it's such like a throwaway

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plot point in the second movie, you get these little

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hints of their flashback of her visiting Michael in the

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institution and her mother going I'm not your mother, which

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is just a really random, like there was no context

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for that, I'm not your mother. And then you have afterwards,

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almost towards the end of the movie where Sam Lumis

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like realizes or learns that they're related. I'm like, the

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we went almost the entire movie with this not being

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a thing. Why is it a thing now?

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that I feel like the first one, it may the

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first one is coming if we're it's like the true crime.

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So we have like Ronald Clark O'Brien seventy four and

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a lot of these kind of famous Halloween cases did

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are really built on this idea of a kind of

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complete stranger who on Halloween Night, for some inexplicable, just

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irrational reason, just wants to harm people. And I feel

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like the first film kind of really tapped into that

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a lot, that that kind of the randomness of the

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violence directed that different people, and that it was so

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tied to just the Halloween night that was there and

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kind of fed into a lot of those kinds of fears,

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whereas the second one, I think when you start introducing

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siblings and all these other kinds of like subtext to

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like what's happening. I mean, we're a few years out

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from O'Brien and some of those things, but it feels

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like it's kind of distancing us from the kind of

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halloweenness of the movie.

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I guess no, exactly part of what made the original

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one so scary. He had no motive or purpose for

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the murders. He was doing it just because it was

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you know, it's Halloween. He's killing the babysitters. There was

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no rhyme or reason for it. That's why movies like

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The Strangers work so well. You know, why are you

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doing this? Because you were home? Yes, that's terrifying, terrifying.

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So the first one is terrifying for that reason. And

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then you add in this weird sub plot of them

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being related. Why does he need a purpose? He doesn't

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need a motive for this. It's scary because he doesn't

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have one, like these people like Ronald Clark, o Brian.

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I mean, he had, you know, whatever, he had his reasoning,

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but you know, it's scary. It's capitalizing on that fear

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and now like you've given him this weird and explicable

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obsession with his sister why and.

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It's going to be this weird temptation. I don't know

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what Kara, this was for a cod and some of

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the producers, but there is this temptation where they're going

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to kind of, you know, as a franchise can go along,

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they're going to invent new relatives and other things where

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that kind of family ness of the you know, dynamic

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in the film is going to be kind of a

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plot point. It feels like after a successful film they'll

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kind of go to that and I don't know exactly

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it's I mean they're going to I'm sure we'll talk

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about it with four and five. They're going to do

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this as well. There's going to be a successful film

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and then the kind of we're going to move and

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have it throw in another family kind of dynamic to it.

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It's like a weird twist.

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As the movies go on, the plot lines and the

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timelines get so convolution and we're protect I'm going to

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talk about that, but this sequel, the Second Halloween, was

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actually used as a defense in a real murder, which

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is insane And it's actually coincidentally enough, the rob Zombie

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sequel to his version of Halloween also inspired a burder

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but that's that's a different conversation. On December twelfth of

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nineteen eighty two, in Fullerton, California, William Harbitz, after multiple

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days of not hearing from his parents, sixty eight year

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old Frances and sixty nine year old Eileen, went to

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their home to check on them. In fact, he hadn't

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heard from his parents since the fifth and friends of

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the Harbites had attempted to contact them multiple times on

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the seventh and the eighth, even going so far as

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to slip notes under the door, which is interesting to

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me because at that point, if you're desperate not to

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slip notes under the door, widened, you call the police.

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But okay. When William arrived, he opened the door to

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find his father sitting upright against the wall, covered in blood,

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and his mother was in the living room lying in

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a pool of her own blood. According to court records,

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Francis had been stabbed twenty four times in the neck, chest,

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and back. He had sustained three broken ribs under broken

421
00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.400
arm ends. The knife had severed his carotid artery penetrated

422
00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:53.200
his heart three times and severed his ascending aorda. Eileen

423
00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.960
had been stabbed nineteen times in her neck, chest, abdomen,

424
00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.960
and back, with four of the wounds transacting her love

425
00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:03.720
four times, meaning she had been stabbed repeatedly in the

426
00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:08.480
exact same spot. One of the stab wounds also penetrated

427
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:12.119
her spine and hurry order. A search of the house

428
00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:16.119
revealed no forced entry, and while Eileen's while it was missing,

429
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.559
there was cash found in other areas of the home

430
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:23.079
totally like four hundred dollars. So when police spoke to William,

431
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.599
he mentioned to them a man that he knew named

432
00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.400
Richard Delmar Boyer. He had been introduced to the Harbitss

433
00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:32.799
by William and had done some work around the house

434
00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:36.720
for them and like landscaping. William said that their relationship

435
00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:40.240
was pretty cordial. His parents had lens Boyer money, and

436
00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:43.279
he also mentioned that he knew Boyer to wear a

437
00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:46.079
buck knife on his hip all the time, he never

438
00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:51.559
took it off. William hadn't seen Boyer in about six months,

439
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.960
but the week of December eighth, which is when police

440
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:58.680
assumed the Harbitses had been murdered. Boyer had called him

441
00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:02.599
a number of times and they spoke once where Boyer

442
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:06.119
claims he was struggling financially really badly. He had no money.

443
00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:10.319
Police went to his home in Almonte that he shared

444
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:13.960
with his girlfriend, Cynthia Cornwell, and they searched the premises.

445
00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:16.079
They find a pair of levies with a hole in

446
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:19.000
the knee and some blood stains, a buck knife with

447
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:20.880
a drop of blood on the blade, as well as

448
00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:24.279
a chief ends. In the kitchen, they found a burned

449
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:30.640
jacket on like a hibachi grill. Upon analysis, one stain

450
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.839
on the jeans matched Boyer, the second match Francis, and

451
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.880
the third matched Eileen. The blood sample on the knife

452
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.400
was too small to test, but it was believed the

453
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.920
size and shape of the knife was consistent with the

454
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:46.480
wounds sustained by the harpits rather than the kitchen knife

455
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.200
found in their home. So police arrests Boyer for two

456
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:52.799
charges of murder during the commission of a robbery, and

457
00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.680
they also arrested his girlfriend and his friend, John Kennedy,

458
00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:00.799
But Cornwell and Kennedy were granted immunich in exchange for

459
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:05.119
their testimony. So at Boyer's trial, which was a capital

460
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:09.440
punishment case. John's testimony goes as follows. He claimed that

461
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:11.799
on the night of December seventh, he picked up Boyer

462
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:13.680
to bring him to his parents' house to pick up

463
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:18.480
cash Boyer had allegedly made selling his father's gun. On

464
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:20.680
the way, they met up with a drug dealer and

465
00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:23.319
bought a small amount of cocaine using twenty five dollars

466
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:28.000
Kennedy had borrowed from his brother. According to Kennedy, it

467
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:31.359
was enough cocaine to cause a rush and a small high,

468
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:33.480
but that was it. They weren't getting like Blitz out

469
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.799
of their mind. They make it to Boyer's parents' home

470
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:40.880
and he spent maybe fifteen minutes inside before Boyer came

471
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.319
back out and told Kennedy to bring them to an

472
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.400
apartment to try and get some weed, but they were unsuccessful,

473
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:50.759
so Boyer directed him to another apartment to try and

474
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:54.960
find his friend Bill. When they reached the apartment, Bill

475
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:57.480
was not there, and Boyer suggested he might have moved

476
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:02.359
back in with his parents. They go to another dealer's home,

477
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.920
which would end up being the Harbit's. Kennedy testified that

478
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.039
while he waited in the car, Boyer went inside and

479
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.799
he was gone for about forty five minutes. When he

480
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.880
came back, he's holding a towel. He's acting really normal,

481
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.000
but he tells Kennedy to drive off really carefully. Don't

482
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:23.759
draw any attention to us. Just drive. Boyer claimed that

483
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:26.480
he had been stabbed in the knee during a confrontation

484
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.440
with a dealer in the home, and that's why he

485
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.599
had the towel to stop the bleeding in his leg,

486
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:34.119
and Kennedy also noticed that the buck knife that Boyer

487
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:38.319
was wearing had blood on it. Boyer pulled two wallets

488
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:40.440
from his pocket and went through them, removing the cash

489
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.720
and throwing the wallets out the window, and police would

490
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.920
later find Eileen's wallet in a storm drain in the area,

491
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:51.160
Kennedy indicated. During Cynthia's testimony, she claimed that when Boyer

492
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.799
came home limping, he claimed to have been attacked by

493
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.440
a loan shark, and also admitted to burning his jacket

494
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.359
on the stove, but she claims she had done to

495
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:02.839
convince him she was willing to hide evidence for him.

496
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.839
She was just pretending. Boyer allegedly asked her the day

497
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.000
before the police searched their home whether or not she

498
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.599
would wait for him if something bad happened. He mentioned

499
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.160
something about a murder and that she would be really

500
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:20.039
angry with him when she found out what happened. And

501
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:23.119
she also testified that they were struggling financially and were

502
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.680
living off of her welfare checks and he had attempted

503
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:30.599
to borrow money from his parents. So Boyer was evaluated

504
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.640
by doctor Ernest Klatt, who testified for the defense, and

505
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:39.359
according to doctor Klatt, Boyer claimed in one of their

506
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.559
interviews that he had been drinking earlier in the day

507
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.680
on the morning of the murders and had later smoked

508
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:47.079
a PCP lee cigarette before shooting the cocaine with Kennedy.

509
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.400
That evening, he had attempted to get money from his mother,

510
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.759
but was unsuccessful because his father had come home and

511
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:59.079
tried to find William Harbitz to borrow money. He claimed

512
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.440
he went to Eileen and Francis's home to try and

513
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:06.440
contact him. He also claimed that after Eileen welcomed him inside,

514
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:09.440
he started feeling the effects of his drug use. His

515
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:13.640
head was pounding, his vision was getting really distorted. He

516
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:17.079
was starting to hallucinate a little bit. So he goes

517
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.960
into the back bedroom to speak to Francis, and he

518
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:24.720
claims after seeing Francis's billfold on the dresser, he starts

519
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.759
really hallucinating. He's imagining the events of a movie he

520
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:32.079
had watched recently had come to life, this movie being

521
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:38.079
Halloween too, so he is convinced, allegedly that in this

522
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:43.200
drug induced hallucination, Michael Myers is coming to attack him.

523
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.559
He attacks Eileen first, and when Francis came to her defense,

524
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.440
hitting Boyer in the head with his cane, Boyer turned

525
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:54.759
on him. However, doctor Clat questioned the validity of this

526
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.960
testimony years after because it had changed a couple of times,

527
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:02.039
but ultimately was found guilty of two counts of murder

528
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.279
during the commission of a robbery and was sentenced to death.

529
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.279
And this case actually has so much more to it.

530
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:10.480
Maybe I'll go back to it one day and really

531
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:12.759
go into it. Because his sentence was overturned and then

532
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.240
it was reinstated. There's a lot going on, but today's

533
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:20.759
about Mustafa before we get back to the Halloween movies.

534
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.599
In nineteen eighty one, not only was Mustafa a God

535
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:28.920
producing Halloween two, he's also working on his second movie,

536
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.160
this time called Lion of the Desert, a biography about

537
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:35.559
Libyan nationalist Omar al Muktar, who led a revolt against

538
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:39.039
the Italian occupation of Libya. He was executed on Benita

539
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:42.799
Mussolini's orders in nineteen thirty two, and this movie, while

540
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:46.279
now a really popular film in Arab communities, did not

541
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:50.279
do well. However, the US Army found a lot of

542
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:53.839
value in Mustafa's work, purchasing one hundred thousand copies of

543
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.319
both films to use as resources to teach soldiers before

544
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.759
deployment into Iraq. Because of this movie not doing well,

545
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.039
though now cod would again return to the Halloween franchise,

546
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.759
producing the next six films in the series, and this

547
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.720
is when the franchise really gets a bit convoluted. Arguably,

548
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.000
it's not the fault of the third Halloween Season of

549
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.039
the Witch. It's the last film gen Carpa Turns Abrahill

550
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.480
wrote for the franchise before going their separate ways, and

551
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.039
the story of Michael Myers was supposed to end after

552
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.359
the second film, so season of the Witch was meant

553
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.640
to kickstart. Like in anthology of horror movies taking place

554
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.079
on Halloween, it's the only one that doesn't feature any

555
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.960
of the characters from the first two films. It's kind

556
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.400
of the outlier, right of like the Halloween movies.

557
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.400
Yeah, you can see they were trying to I guess

558
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.279
kind of like with some of the series like VHS

559
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.079
or those others that put out like an annual kind

560
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:49.079
of thing. It might not be Halloween theme in those

561
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:51.839
cases except for this years, but you know, like an

562
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.720
annual film that's organized just around just this idea or

563
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.079
a theme of Halloween. It's a really kind of cool

564
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.400
concept to think about, and if you're going to try

565
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.359
to move beyond kind of Michael Myers, it's not a

566
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:07.960
bad strategy, I think. But yeah, people didn't really like

567
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:10.920
it too much, even though it is. It's weird because

568
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.440
Halloween three, like you said, it's like it's not very

569
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.960
well received and it's in Carpenter and Hill are going

570
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.480
to kind of start making their exit from being really

571
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.960
creatively involved at least in these films and finance and

572
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.920
having a large financial stake. But Halloween three is one

573
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.559
that over the years is kind of guarded a cult

574
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.200
following of it. This is a This is one of

575
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.359
my personal favorites of the entire series, which is weird

576
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:37.839
because it doesn't feature Michael Myers, but it's such a

577
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:41.960
fun movie that seems to kind of embrace a lot

578
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.359
of the kind of Halloween lore and and it gets

579
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.640
really just it's so ridiculous. If just to describe the

580
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:56.160
plot alone, I think is when you describe like Irish

581
00:32:56.440 --> 00:33:02.960
industrial oligarch who for some reason wants to look back

582
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.279
to the old days, whatever those are in his mind,

583
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.119
when they would kill children, and he wants to do

584
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.359
so by killing all the children in the world on Halloween,

585
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:13.480
Like that sounds like a winner of a film, Like

586
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:17.279
I'm on board for that. It's interesting, especially the way

587
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:21.440
that they decide to do so, like imperfect James Bond

588
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.440
villain kind of ways, where we're going to do it

589
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.279
in the most complicated way possible by doing it through

590
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.799
some TV signal that everybody's going to be watching. So

591
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.279
it's a brilliant concept in many ways, I think now,

592
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:33.920
and I think a lot of people do like it now.

593
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.960
Yeah, now it's people I think enjoy it more. It

594
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:41.119
definitely has its own call following. I do like the

595
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:47.319
third one. It's definitely an outlier to the franchise. It

596
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.119
has nothing to do with any of it, but for

597
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.160
the purpose of what they had made it for, Like,

598
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.079
I get it. It works. It's a little weird, but

599
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.839
it's fun. It's a very fun movie, and I enjoy that.

600
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.559
Yeah, you can't overthink Halloween three too much. I mean

601
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.839
there is I think about Halloween three less in terms

602
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.480
of just in the span of horror films or even

603
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.760
the Halloween franchise, and more is this film that feels

604
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.599
very very much like early nineteen eighties. I put it

605
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.360
in the same categories like war games and a lot

606
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:24.119
of these movies that were these early depictions of computers

607
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.000
and computer technologies because and this one is weird because

608
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.199
they're hooking up computer, like a very complicated looking computer

609
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.000
system to a rock that I don't know if rock

610
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.000
is the right word, a pillar that they steal from Stonehenge.

611
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.639
And so it's this weird kind of combination of old

612
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.400
magic and new magic with computers. And there's something kind

613
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:49.599
of interesting about and there's a computer chip. There's a

614
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.880
computer chip in there. And you think about today where

615
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.800
people talk about the kind of dangers of technology and

616
00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.280
everything else. And it's interesting with Halloween three that it's

617
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.960
ahead of its time and its skepticism towards the power

618
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.000
and dangers of mass media towards children and others.

619
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:10.440
Now you hear about it all the time. You know,

620
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.760
no screen time, we need those light time, We need

621
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.199
low stimulating things for our babies.

622
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:17.719
Yeah, it's weird. It's like the only kids that are

623
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.880
going to live in Halloween three people weren't watching TV,

624
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.960
and all the latch key kids whose parents have stuck

625
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:24.760
them in front of the TV, they're dead by the

626
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.400
end of this and so, but it's also interesting because

627
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.920
they're all kind of buying these commercial Halloween masks. And

628
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:34.000
that's where because by the time we get to the

629
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.800
nineteen seventies, like we're kind of getting Halloween has become

630
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.039
fully commercialized, where I believe the first mass market kind

631
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.079
of big box Halloween mask are produced around nineteen sixty eight,

632
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.840
And so we're only like a little over ten years

633
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:50.599
into this period where the holiday is so drastically shifted,

634
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.599
where buying these masks that are kind of commercial characters

635
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.199
like you'd see on TV or being marketed how we

636
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.559
mass marketed on TV is a fairly new and it's

637
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.039
interesting that this becomes like a kind of a central

638
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.119
kind of plot point that's amost this guy who's like

639
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.719
trying to get back to the old days of Halloween.

640
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:14.599
He's kind of doing so by playing to and kind

641
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:18.840
of killing people via these like new kinds of ways

642
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.400
that the season celebrated. So it seems to be kind

643
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:22.559
of something at that as well.

644
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:25.280
It really is, I mean, especially when you put it

645
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:28.679
that way, and especially like the play on the mass

646
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.079
works well, because the whole point of Halloween and Michael

647
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:34.639
Myers is that he wears this mask that gets worse

648
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.280
and worse and more ridiculous looking as the movies go

649
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:41.039
go on, which is a great source of annoyance for me.

650
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:42.440
I hate that mass.

651
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.199
Well, you know, it's also interesting because they there was

652
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.159
a campaign that they did where they mass produced these

653
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.360
masks in stores and like created a kind of commercials

654
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.039
to sell the masks, the same ones that were in

655
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:57.719
the movie. And I kept thinking about, like, who's buying

656
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.000
these masks at that point, because the kids are probably

657
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.199
not watching this film, and so it is interesting they

658
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.840
buy the silver shamrock mask and it's the thing that

659
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.440
kills you too. But you can fill John Carpenter's presence

660
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.880
in this one as well, because some of the actors

661
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.280
casting This would appeared in other Carpenter films like Was

662
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.800
It the Fog and others, and so it's interesting to

663
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.920
be able to have Is it connected more to him,

664
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.800
I think than it is to the franchise.

665
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.440
I agree, because especially when you get into Halloween for

666
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.159
the Return of Michael Myers and Halloween five or Revenge

667
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.079
of Michael Myers, is this one the plot really starts

668
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.519
to go off the rails. John Carpon turns, Abra Hiller

669
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:40.440
gone at this point, And I mean, Mustapha Cod believed

670
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.000
in these movies so much they really did. I mean

671
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:47.639
he he initially only got into them to, you know,

672
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:50.119
make money to fund the movies he really wanted to make.

673
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:51.960
But by the time you get to the fourth and

674
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.480
fifth movie, I mean he's he's saying, you know, for

675
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:57.119
four years, we didn't do any Halloween, but I believed

676
00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.480
in it. It's not a genius creation or anything. But

677
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.639
whenever Halloween season comes around, audiences wants something like this.

678
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:07.239
He really believed in these movies. The storyline went out

679
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:11.119
the window at this point, like we're ondoing things that

680
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:14.320
have been done at this point onward.

681
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.000
So they you know, they come back with Halloween four

682
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.039
what did you think of Halloween four when you rewatched it?

683
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:21.920
I mean, this is another one I would say of

684
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.519
the entire series that the a coda says, as with

685
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.280
at least parts I mean, outside the first one, obviously,

686
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.519
I really like parts three and four a lot. And

687
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:33.800
as I mentioned to you before, like, I think that

688
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:40.719
Halloween four is interesting to me because it stays very close.

689
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.119
There's there's a gimmicky twist at the end of this,

690
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:46.840
but it stays really close to the kind of general

691
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.960
story of the original, and it's fairly simple in many ways.

692
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.480
And you know, I'm sure we'll talk about it, but

693
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.239
by the time we get to films like The Curse

694
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.079
of Michael Myers, the plots are going to become so

695
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:02.719
complicated they're hard to describe, really, And with Halloween four,

696
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:06.360
we're still on that kind of very simple throwback to

697
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.400
the original. That felt really good watching it.

698
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:11.519
I liked it. I like, I think the fourth one

699
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.880
works for what it is. I mean, of course, in

700
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.320
this one, they've killed off Lorii Strode, we kill off

701
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:19.920
the final girl. Now it's her daughter. It was an

702
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.559
interesting concept because it is very similar to the first movie.

703
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.360
The concepts are very similar he's you know, going after

704
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.599
this little girl, going after a family member. But the

705
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.320
difference with this one, and of course you still have

706
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:36.480
Sam Lumis monologuing about Michael Myers's immortality, but you have

707
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:41.320
this idea that this evil in him is hereditary, which

708
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:47.039
is very gimmicky, as you said, but it breathes a

709
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:49.639
little bit of fresh air into the series at that point,

710
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.360
especially because the plot lines are so similar between the

711
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.960
first and the fourth. So I mean it works. I

712
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.320
like it. You know, Jamie's adorable, he got a soft

713
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.719
spot for the kids in the Horror. It's like it

714
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:03.440
works for me to an extent.

715
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:05.400
And I feel like there's something to be said for

716
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:07.440
just the opening of this one too. I mean, we

717
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:12.519
go into this basement of this really really dark, creepy

718
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.320
hospital too, And I feel like, when I was thinking

719
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.760
about this just the other day, I feel like the

720
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:21.400
Halloween films just the way they represent like asylums is

721
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.519
like a really creepy thing. All the doctors are all

722
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.119
have like, you know, cigarettes that are half smoked. They

723
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.840
all seem kind of very world weary and cynical about

724
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:35.480
the work that they're doing. And Michael Myers is basically

725
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.639
like in the basement, like on a you know, a gurney,

726
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:41.800
drugged up, and that's kind of what they allude to,

727
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.239
the state that they've kept him in for a number

728
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.239
of years.

729
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.159
And still he manages somehow to escape. He always manages,

730
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:54.039
always manages to escape. Yeah, the return of Michael Myers. Yeah,

731
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.840
this is I think we're talking about the Halloween three

732
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.480
season of The Witch, where you know, it's been a

733
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.760
number of years since audiences have seen Michael Myers, and

734
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.719
so I can imagine that this would have been I

735
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:08.880
was only nine years old when this came out. I

736
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.400
can imagine this would have been really fun to see

737
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.039
at the theater. And it did do well. It did

738
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:18.360
gross seventeen million dollars on a five million dollar budget,

739
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:24.599
So not the home run that the first twour at least,

740
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:29.760
but you know, it doubled its money and then some. Yeah.

741
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:35.679
I think it's it holds its own within the franchise, and.

742
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.719
It has sympathetic characters. This is the thing. I mean.

743
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:41.159
Laurie Strotta is a deeply sympathetic character. The extent to

744
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.679
which anyone is sympathetic and Halloween three is questionable. I

745
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:46.960
don't think there is really anyone that's that sympathetic. And

746
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.320
Halloween three, but it doesn't really matter. It's such a

747
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.000
gimmicky film we're not really meant to that's not really

748
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.679
where the kind of suspense comes from. It's more fun.

749
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.519
And with Halloween four, aside from his niece, who I thought,

750
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.800
did Jamie Lloyd, I think that the actress playing her

751
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.800
does really well, but also her kind of stepsister or

752
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.960
foster sister I thought was also that kind of like emotional.

753
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:11.960
There's like an emotional core of the film that's also

754
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.119
really sweet in that kind of like dynamic that they have,

755
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.079
and it helps to kind of ratchet up some of

756
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:22.159
the suspense in a way that felt more earned than

757
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.679
just the kind of, you know, the kind of gore

758
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:26.599
kind of shock cuts that we're going to get in

759
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:27.639
some of the later films.

760
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.960
I agree, there's definitely a little bit more heart in

761
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:36.719
that movie, which I enjoy and I think it does work.

762
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:39.800
But then we go off the rails completely.

763
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:43.079
And what was the first sign in part five was

764
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.239
you watched this again recently? The first moment you thought

765
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.239
it was going kind of off rails? Was it the

766
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:53.039
guy dragging the cane in hallways? Or was it like,

767
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.320
was at what point do we start to go off

768
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.320
the rails or what point are we definitely off the rails.

769
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.639
If they had ended four and just left it alone,

770
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:06.320
left that storyline, that plot line at that. Yeah, and

771
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.239
we went off and we skipped right to six, which

772
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.239
is objectively a terrible movie.

773
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:12.760
It's truly awful.

774
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.159
It. I'd like we could have skipped five. I think

775
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.400
a lot of the plot point, we're really pushing the

776
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.599
trauma on Jamie Lloyd. You know, she can't speak. Sam

777
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.400
Loomis is absolutely out of his mind at this point

778
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:31.400
about Michael Myers, like he's really intense with this little girl.

779
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.000
You know, you have to help me, you have to talk,

780
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.039
you have to do this. She can't talk, like she's

781
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:43.440
like seven. Stop. It was so ridiculous. Rachel is the

782
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.159
best part of that movie. I don't care. And that

783
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:50.559
you have the two cops, like these bumbling idiot cops

784
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.559
that like a try and break the fourth wall, like

785
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:56.960
we're really bad pops ha ha kind of thing. And

786
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.360
it's like nothing, very few things in that movie worked

787
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.159
for me. And then you have the effects were really bad.

788
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.000
Just like part of the charm is that the effects

789
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.519
are a little bit cheesy because they're practical effects, you know,

790
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.400
and all that, but like the stuffed dead dog that

791
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:20.960
is so clearly a stuffed dead dog is awful. It's awful,

792
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.480
and your budget was so good, Why did we have

793
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.000
to go with this really awful Like, just don't kill

794
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:28.679
the dog at that point, don't even show it.

795
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.400
Yeah, and it seemed like they really wanted to, just

796
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:36.360
like they didn't learn their lesson from earlier in the franchise.

797
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.239
I mean Halloween three, like we said, while a beloved

798
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.800
film now by many people, including myself, it was not

799
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.079
very successful at the time. And this idea of creating

800
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.800
a story arc where you're both it's the return of

801
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.360
Michael Myers, but he's barely back. At the end of

802
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.480
his return, you're already trying to hand the plot arc

803
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:59.639
off to Jamie Lloyd. And there's this kind of you

804
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.599
can see that they're kind of testing in this film,

805
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.440
like would it be possible to basically make her the

806
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:09.599
new family killer and kind of I think spin away

807
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:12.440
from Michael Meyer, like they're aware that there is some

808
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:16.559
kind of that they're unborrowed time with the The Part

809
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.519
four is successful, but it still seems like they're unsure

810
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.760
whether they could just continue to remake that movie over

811
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.360
and over again, and because Part four was so close

812
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:27.440
to the first film, it just felt like there wasn't

813
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.159
a lot of creativity at least at this moment on

814
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.480
their end, Like how do we how do we tell

815
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.639
a Michael Meyer's story without just retelling the same story?

816
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.679
You know, the Friday's Thirteenth franchise moves him all over

817
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:42.519
the place, from Manhattan to space to everywhere else, and

818
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:44.960
if the character is the same, you've got to do something.

819
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.519
It's either the location, the basic setup is going to

820
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.480
be fairly similar, and it seemed like they didn't really

821
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.519
know how to navigate that, and so they're trying to

822
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:55.360
find a way to pass it up. We're back to

823
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:58.960
that weird family angle, whether it's siblings or whether it's

824
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:02.719
cousins or who it's like, it's our nieces is. It's

825
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.079
a strange kind of move that they keep making with us.

826
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:09.039
It's very weird. It's very weird. And then you have

827
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:15.119
Jamie like almost getting these like glimpses of how Michael's

828
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:19.480
feeling and you know what he's doing, and it's this

829
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:26.159
weird psychological connection that they have, which just doesn't work

830
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:30.000
because it feels like half thought out. And a lot

831
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:31.719
of the movie felt very half thought out. And I

832
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:33.360
think you're right. It was very much like a we

833
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.320
have an expiration date for Michael Myers. That expiration date

834
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.599
is approaching. We know how to do something new, something fresh,

835
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.159
keep people interested, and then they went that route and

836
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.920
then to make matters worse, we have the sixth movie.

837
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:49.440
And this is where Yeah, so when we get to

838
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.039
the sixth film, so this is one of these things

839
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.280
where and part of this I think is just built

840
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.199
just tied to the fact that, like, how do you

841
00:46:56.320 --> 00:47:01.719
make a character like who doesn't talk and is essentially unknowable.

842
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.639
He says that character can only be so dynamic. You're

843
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.440
just constantly ascribing things to them. Oh, he's related to

844
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.079
this person. Oh he's also related to this person. And

845
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.719
so you're having to look outside that character to create

846
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:18.000
kind of different complexity or kind of new twist. And

847
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:22.760
the Curse of Michael Myers. I don't even know where

848
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:26.159
to start with. This one is such an odd movie.

849
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:30.599
It picks up on elements of Part five. I was

850
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.199
confused because Part five is largely criticized as having the

851
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.440
worst plot of all the Halloweens, even worse than Halloween

852
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:42.840
three season of the Witch. And I don't know why,

853
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.880
aside like why they would pick up Jamie Lloyd kind

854
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.639
of plot again after so many years. But it's been

855
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:54.239
six years between Halloween five and the Curse of Michael Myers,

856
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:57.239
and it felt like we were to do for another

857
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:01.639
reboot completely of the series, and they're attempting to do that,

858
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.360
but also connecting it to a film that wasn't very

859
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:06.719
successful by any measure.

860
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.320
It's very weird. They're also trying to bring it back

861
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:13.320
to like the original plot line. You know, Tommy Doyle,

862
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.199
the little boy Laurie's babysitting in the first movie, is back.

863
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.280
He's super traumatized, he's super paranoid as an adult, waiting

864
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.760
for Michael Myers to return. You have Jamie Lloyd's baby.

865
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.199
Now there's a satanic cult. Part of the issue I

866
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.519
have with this movie is they lose so much of

867
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.440
what Michael Myers or what makes Michael Myers so scary.

868
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.719
You know, he's this wholking figure in the background, heavily

869
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.639
breathing into the microphone, and now he's just he's popping

870
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.440
up like every five minutes stabbing someone, Like, it's just

871
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:47.639
it's not scary anymore. It's just a little ridiculous. Plus

872
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:51.760
you have this really ridiculous plot point with the baby

873
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.800
and the neighbor of Kara that's now she's a relative

874
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.440
of Laurie Strode, you know, and you have her son

875
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:05.000
and her scumbag father. Everyone in this movie sucks. They're awful.

876
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.360
Tommy Lloyd's a jerk, like the whole movie. You don't

877
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.000
even know if like, are you a good guy? You

878
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:14.880
a bad guy? Like your trauma's making you really weird?

879
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.679
They should Yeah, it should have been like, yeah, the

880
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.639
trauma of Halloween or something, because instead of the Curse

881
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.039
of Michael, maybe that is what the curson Michael Myers

882
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:26.840
actually is, the trauma of Halloween, because yeah, there's no

883
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:31.320
sympathetic characters in the entire story, and it's fun seeing

884
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:35.440
Paul Rudd in the film, i think, but outside of that,

885
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:39.679
it's Yeah, it's a very very strange movie and and

886
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:42.800
hard to know what to fully do with it. Because

887
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.880
it's also this thing where in the early films, Michael

888
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.800
Myers seems to be like very much almost like an

889
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.960
empty vessel. He doesn't feel seemed fully human. He's completely

890
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:57.960
just this like kind of like metaphor maybe for just

891
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.280
like how irrational kind of like death is. Is this

892
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:04.119
thing that is coming that can't be reason with. It's

893
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:08.320
like coming for you. And he doesn't really seem to

894
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.480
take any pleasure or feel much of anything. And what

895
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:14.159
he's doing, he's just doing it and that's what makes

896
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.280
it so terrifying. You can't stop him, and he doesn't

897
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.599
really seem to be enjoying it or feeling anything one

898
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:22.360
way or to the other. And I feel like in

899
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:25.360
the Curse of Michael Myers, there are these weird moments

900
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:27.280
where like he'll be killing someone and then he'll like

901
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:29.360
ratchet it up and it like ratchets to gore up,

902
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:33.159
like the scene at the very beginning where the character

903
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:35.679
is like stabbed with like a rake or something that's

904
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.760
there and then he like basically pushes on her after

905
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:41.519
she's like bleeding out, and it makes this scene much

906
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:45.079
more gory, but it but it seems to imply he's

907
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:48.360
taking like a sadistic pleasure and kind of really torturing

908
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.760
and fucking around with people like that. But that pleasure

909
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.960
is like weird because it almost makes him something other

910
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.320
than that character from the first that's amost like robotic

911
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:02.519
and dist unknowable exactly.

912
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.519
In the first movie, I mean, he's just killing people,

913
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:07.960
but I mean he stabs them and that was it,

914
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.639
and he would maybe stare at them for a moment,

915
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:16.400
like almost processing it. But there was no adding insult

916
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.599
to injury kind of thing. There was no pleasure that

917
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.159
he was getting out of this. There was no sick satisfaction.

918
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:26.079
And then in the later movies it does change that

919
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:29.239
dynamic and he goes from being like this shape, this boogeyman,

920
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.039
to being like it almost humanizes him in a way,

921
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.000
because it's a very human characteristic to take pleasure out

922
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.440
of something as twist. Sick and twisted is whatever you're

923
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.280
getting pleasure out of is. But he was human shaped

924
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.679
but very not human, which made him so scary, and

925
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:51.719
they changed that dynamic of him, which just doesn't work

926
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.280
for the character that they had established her and he's

927
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:58.719
an established character. This is his personality. He's devoid of personality,

928
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.079
and then you almost just give him like these glimpses

929
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:05.199
of a personality, which is very strange.

930
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.119
It's a bad impulse to go down that path, but

931
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.159
it's the path, like you alluded to I think earlier

932
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:14.119
that they kind of were trying to do in Halloween five. Well, this,

933
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.960
you know, Michael Myers is unknowable, and so Jamie Lloyd

934
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:21.800
can have these like psychic senses of what he's feeling

935
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:26.159
or maybe thinking, and we will kind of add different

936
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:29.719
layers to Michael Myers, like through her. But but none

937
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:33.239
of these things ultimately like work very well. Attempting to

938
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:36.639
kind of add some kind of humanness or kind of

939
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:38.840
rationality onto Michael Myers.

940
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:40.800
I think part of the problem is they didn't follow

941
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:42.519
through with any of it. I think if they maybe

942
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:47.840
followed through like when Jamie in the fifth movie you

943
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:50.039
Know says she's lying in the cask and she goes

944
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.719
uncle and she like reaches out to touch him, they

945
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:56.199
don't follow through with that. He waits for a second.

946
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:57.719
You feel like he's going to react, and then he

947
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.679
goes back to trying to kill her. Either follow through

948
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:04.360
with that moment and show this momentary humanity where he

949
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:08.400
acknowledges the relationship between them, or don't have the moment

950
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.599
at all because it's not working in what you're doing,

951
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:14.599
because it's like you're you're teasing the humanity, and he's

952
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.800
not a human. He doesn't have that humanity in him,

953
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:22.480
so it doesn't work. Either go all the way with it, yeah,

954
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.719
and change that part of him, or don't bother doing

955
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:27.559
it because it's not working the half. That's why you're

956
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:31.159
doing it now. Speaking a convolute of timeline, though, you

957
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:34.440
get Halloween twenty years later, which my entire life I

958
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.800
thought was called Halloween h two L only recently that

959
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:38.719
it's not.

960
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.559
Well, it's a weird title. Still, both of us are weird,

961
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:46.159
whether it's a title referencing water or a title that's

962
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:50.119
about the anniversary of the franchise, because it does so

963
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:54.159
position like I generally have an aversion to films that

964
00:53:54.679 --> 00:54:00.079
openly position themselves as like a kind of nostalgic re

965
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:04.840
union and titling the film twenty years later, I mean,

966
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.000
for all of the problems and it's a terrible film,

967
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:09.119
like the Curse of Michael Myers. This sounds like a

968
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:10.960
cool film, just if I'm just looking at the title,

969
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:13.880
like I want to see what this is about telling

970
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.199
me there's Halloween twenty years later. It sounds like the

971
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:19.000
extra features like on a DVD, Like it has a

972
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:23.519
very weird tame. Let's like invite the audience to look

973
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:25.760
at how much has changed and how much fun we

974
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.920
enjoy this series vibe that like I'm generally put off by.

975
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:30.719
I don't think it's the worst film of the of

976
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.599
the Bunch, and I think there's good things about it,

977
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.320
but just the whole, the whole concept of twenty years

978
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:40.000
later is something that in general would not be a

979
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:41.119
big selling point for me.

980
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:45.280
It's very high school reunion feeling like it is. It's

981
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:46.679
it's very high school reunion.

982
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.400
That's appropriate. It's at a private school. Is that a privacy?

983
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.760
It is? It's appropriate. It works objectively, not the worst

984
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:55.800
in the franchise. There are some things about it that

985
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.679
are really fun. I think Elle Kooljay brings like a

986
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:03.079
great sense of comedic As as dumb as his lines are,

987
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:09.519
it works. I think he's funny. But they totally ondo

988
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:13.360
the events of the last three movies. Laurie's no longer

989
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:17.119
dead this one. She faked her death. She's living in California,

990
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:20.239
she has a son, She's a dean now out of

991
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.719
private high school. She you know, she changed her name,

992
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.679
but she has spent the last twenty years looking over

993
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.639
her shoulder waiting for her brother, because they kept that

994
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:34.559
storyline waiting for him to come back. And the one

995
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:38.639
thing that works for me is that Laurie is still

996
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:42.400
very much the final girl in this movie. Like she's

997
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:47.960
very badass, love that, very strong, like she's she's out

998
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:50.360
for him, Like if he's coming for her, she's gonna

999
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:52.400
come right back for him. I also really loved the

1000
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.800
cameo from Janetly that just that made my heart really happy.

1001
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.559
I forgot. She makes get. She's very cute, so objectively

1002
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:05.239
not terrible. It's a little cheesy. Michael is over the

1003
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.639
top with his kills. They're really gross in this one,

1004
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:14.400
with the dumb waiter and the girl's leg, and it's

1005
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.159
a lot. They really went over the top with this one.

1006
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:20.760
It's a weird mismash too. I mean, we're like heading

1007
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.920
into like Dawson's Creek territory, and this is the same

1008
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.679
era as like not only Dawson's Creek, but also horror

1009
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:29.559
films look different by the time we get to the

1010
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.800
late nineties and we're having stuff like the faculty and

1011
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:35.920
things like that. I mean, I feel like before so

1012
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.679
we think back to the nineteen seventies in nineteen eighties.

1013
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.400
I feel like, especially in nineteen eighties, people that were

1014
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.400
high schoolers look like they're like thirty eight, right that

1015
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:48.599
are playing in here, And I feel like we're getting

1016
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:53.599
people in this film and in Resurrection that look they're

1017
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.800
older than high schoolers, but they're looking a lot closer

1018
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.719
to it, right than they look like kind of nineties

1019
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.000
high schoolers, which maybe means you look like you're twenty

1020
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:05.199
five versus like thirty eight. And I don't know, what

1021
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.360
do you think about the private school setting in this too?

1022
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:10.440
I think the biggest problem I had with the movie

1023
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:14.239
is like, not even necessarily the private school, which I mean,

1024
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.679
is a little ridiculous, like that he's, you know, hunting

1025
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.920
down these kids, or well, he's hunting down Lori at

1026
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.800
the private school. It's more the fact that they've now

1027
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:26.719
changed the location and we're not in Hot and Build,

1028
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:33.039
Illinois anymore. We're in California. Michael drove to California, which.

1029
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:35.000
Like when he drives in the franchise too. There's something

1030
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.039
weird about this happened in part five as well, at

1031
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.599
the worst moment, like vehicular homicide should not be a

1032
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.159
part of the of a kind of Slasher's Toolbox, and

1033
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:50.519
especially Michael Myers is like he's he's essentially like nonhuman,

1034
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.239
like we're saying, and kind of driving a car just

1035
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:57.880
seems like a very strange, mundane way to kill people.

1036
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.519
I don't know, I kind of have a expect him

1037
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.159
to walk very slowly a very long distance, like one

1038
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:06.760
of the Zombies and George Romera film or something.

1039
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.599
I feel like it would fit better if he had

1040
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.000
walked that whole way. It would just it would feel

1041
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.559
like it was more fitting to his character to just

1042
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.960
walk it, because like what Michael Myers getting in a car,

1043
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:21.519
Like what is he listening to? You know?

1044
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:24.199
Especially a part five, It's like, yeah, it's like I

1045
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:26.400
can't remember what car it was, like Buick Vibes or

1046
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:28.880
Vibes or something. It's like driving it, it's not doesn't

1047
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:30.199
really feel like Michael Myers.

1048
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.440
It doesn't. It's strange. So the private school thing is weird.

1049
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:39.480
The kills are weird. Laurie's her paranoia seemed really forced.

1050
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:41.960
It just if some part of it didn't work for me,

1051
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.639
and I feel like maybe it's because they they had

1052
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:48.920
it set so far after like the events of this movie.

1053
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:51.639
It's just it's it's weird. And then they do that

1054
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:56.000
that human that humanity thing with Michael Myers, like she's

1055
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.480
you know, he's reaching out for Laurie at the end,

1056
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:02.199
after he's like pinned between the t in the ambulance,

1057
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:05.280
You're reaching out for her and she look like, you know,

1058
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.239
she's gonna touch his hand, and then the moment like

1059
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:11.559
just disappears like immediately, and it's why, why are we

1060
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.320
making him human and why is she entertaining the idea

1061
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:18.920
of he's his humanity because that's not her character.

1062
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.199
Yeah, it's like and this is where I think if

1063
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.480
you're looking over the larger franchise, I know it's not

1064
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.880
the purpose to Night, but like David Gordon Green's Halloween,

1065
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.960
for all the big issues that exists with that trilogy,

1066
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:35.800
I think making her like a paranoid prepper in his version,

1067
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:38.840
that tracks a little better if you're trying if the

1068
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.440
goal is to show that she's paranoid and she's someone's

1069
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:44.599
been traumatized by these things, well, yeah, like you've kind

1070
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.320
of barricade yourself with a like a rich private school,

1071
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:49.480
Like I get that you're kind of within the walls.

1072
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:52.400
That's and you're kind of there and safe and anonymous.

1073
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:57.599
But yeah, I think that his version at least seem like, well,

1074
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:01.519
she's fucking crazy and she's had this traumatic experience in

1075
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:06.679
a kind of psychological break. That felt like, actually, that's

1076
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.679
closer to what that level of trauma would look like,

1077
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:11.920
which would be like comparable to like a war experience,

1078
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:16.159
right exactly, versus your you know, you're teaching best to

1079
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:18.880
rich kids, you know, different if.

1080
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:20.719
They were going to lean into her trauma, like her

1081
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.719
having this trauma responds her this paranoid at this level

1082
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:26.039
of PTSD. It's like, follow through with it. Why is

1083
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.079
she teaching out of private school? Like? It just doesn't work.

1084
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:30.760
It's weird. Again, it's like a follow through thing. Either

1085
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.639
follow through and make her super paranoid like this prepper

1086
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:38.440
like they do in the reboot, or make her like

1087
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:43.920
more well adjusted than she is. It's a weird mix.

1088
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:48.440
And then you have Halloween Resurrection where they just absolutely

1089
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.840
annihilate her character literally.

1090
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:55.599
Which is in some ways it's weird to say, but like,

1091
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:57.679
in some ways, I think Halloween Resurrection, I don't think

1092
01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:59.760
it's the worst film of the entire franchise. I still

1093
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:03.239
think Curse and Michael Myers is that is arguably the

1094
01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:08.800
most gimmicky of the franchise. The whole reality television kind

1095
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:13.800
of dimension of Halloween Resurrection. It feels like such a

1096
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:18.199
cheap kind of trade in, like a play to something

1097
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:19.960
very much of the kind of like here and Now.

1098
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:21.480
I feel like some of our films were at least

1099
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:25.159
kind of looking back to these kinds of slasher traditions

1100
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:28.119
and the kind of mythology of the own series. Even

1101
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.559
when it goes off the rail and it's not there,

1102
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.599
they're still trying to do something and tap into that

1103
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:35.639
magic from the original. And I feel like with Halloween

1104
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:40.320
Resurrection it is tapping into like strange elements. So it's

1105
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:43.280
not cool Jay's time, but we do have bust of rhymes.

1106
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:47.239
It's not that, you know, we have this kind of

1107
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:50.960
reality television as this thing right in the early two thousands.

1108
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:54.159
It's going to explode with Survivor and all these different

1109
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:56.440
shows that are out there. So of course we have

1110
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:59.159
like a TV crew that's filming a reality show.

1111
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.679
It's weird, it's very strange, it's very bizarre. I think

1112
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.480
I dislike this movie the most. It's just it's a

1113
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:09.840
hard watch for me. I don't. I did not enjoy

1114
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:14.199
my rewatching experience, like watching it. It's Tyra Banks, isn't it.

1115
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:16.519
We kill off Laurie Strode in the first ten minutes.

1116
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.440
She herself is locked up in an asylum now, and.

1117
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.119
That's the most inexcusable part of that, I think of

1118
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:24.480
the entire film is the kind of really gimmicky death

1119
01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:27.599
with Laurie straight at the beginning because she's locked up

1120
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.880
in the asylum. But she's like worse off after the

1121
01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:32.679
events of H two O than she was like after

1122
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.199
the previous twenty years. It just doesn't really make a

1123
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:35.840
lot of sense.

1124
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:40.199
It doesn't. It's very bizarre. It's very not what her

1125
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:46.599
character arc should have been. And also you're telling me

1126
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:52.159
that she gets taken out by Michael Myers in the

1127
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:56.360
dumbest way possible, trying to unmask him, and then she

1128
01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.079
kisses his mask and says, see you in Hell, and

1129
01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.280
then she like falls to her death. What are you

1130
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:02.400
talking about?

1131
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:04.880
Well, yeah, this is I don't I can't remember when

1132
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.519
Jason Goes to Hell came out, but I was hoping

1133
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:10.559
they were not like teeing up the Michael goes to

1134
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:15.360
Hell kind of next film. But yeah, it's odd that

1135
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:19.039
we do get buster rms pulling out Kung Fu to

1136
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:22.440
fight Michael Myers, and so that does a memorable scene.

1137
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.039
At least in this it felt like a lot of

1138
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:28.679
the reality television stuff was more about just trying to

1139
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:32.400
create suspense in a way where look, there's people who

1140
01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:35.519
are watching this who have more information than the people

1141
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:38.599
experiencing it, and that's where the kind of suspense kind

1142
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:41.199
of comes from. But as the viewer, when we have

1143
01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:43.960
all of the information, it like actually makes it less

1144
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:47.800
suspenseful somehow, because we're, yeah, it's weird.

1145
01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:53.039
It's very weird. It works the least for me for

1146
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:57.519
all of the movies, but as a whole, I mean,

1147
01:03:57.559 --> 01:03:59.840
the franchise is what it is. We got, you know,

1148
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:02.880
Rob Zombie made two movies. We got an entire reboot

1149
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:07.360
where they erased everything that happened in all of the

1150
01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:11.119
previous movies and started again this time. They're not related.

1151
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:16.239
It spanned forty years. I mean, it's credit where credit

1152
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.360
is due, and I think.

1153
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:21.440
This is where people have to appreciate. Whenever people I've

1154
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:25.239
always thought the criticism of some of the reboots, which

1155
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:27.280
I don't love a lot of the reboots but like

1156
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.079
I've always thought the criticism was unfair that they were

1157
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:35.519
somehow not like pure to the original, and a cod

1158
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:39.679
is responsible. I mean, he's that original producer working with Carpenter.

1159
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:44.480
He literally owns the franchise for after starting with Part four,

1160
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.880
And so when we're talking about being original and true

1161
01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:51.760
to the Halloween series, we're not just talking about Jamie

1162
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:54.800
Lee Curtison Part one. We're talking about the Curse of

1163
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:58.360
Michael Myers, We're talking about Halloween Resurrection, we are talking

1164
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:03.039
about Halloween in Part five, the Revenge of Michael Myers.

1165
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:06.519
And so the idea that you know that people will

1166
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.840
be criticized for wanting to reinvent and just not pull

1167
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:11.760
on the narrative strands of some of those films that

1168
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:13.840
we've already kind of talked about, like have some pretty

1169
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.320
big issues. Don't think that's totally fair.

1170
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:21.320
I agree, it's not fair when the original franchise did

1171
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:23.559
the exact same thing. It's not fair they're trying to

1172
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:27.760
breathe new life into the series, especially when Mustapha Akod's

1173
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:31.440
son Malik is the producer on the new ones, like

1174
01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:36.000
he's trying to reinvigorate, you know, his father's legacy. It's

1175
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:40.039
not done in out of disrespect for the original franchise.

1176
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:44.519
It's done with love for the original franchise. You know.

1177
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:46.239
I kept wondering. I don't know if he knows or not,

1178
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:48.760
but I kept wondering, like, how were these films received

1179
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:52.119
in Aleppo or these like, you know, the areas where

1180
01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:56.119
he was actually from, because he makes these religious films

1181
01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:00.440
that are very beloved and celebrated to this day area

1182
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:03.800
and he's very well respected still, and I kept wondering, like,

1183
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:08.679
how are these films watched or received over there, you know, particular,

1184
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:11.559
like like how does the Curse of Michael Myers read

1185
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.320
in Syria or other places? Like how does that? What

1186
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.320
is the kind of the critical response that it's interesting?

1187
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.000
It is interesting, And I don't know exactly what the

1188
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:24.800
response is for like the movies specifically, but I know

1189
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:29.440
in Syria and other Islamic countries they consider Mustafa a

1190
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:35.360
Cod to be their Alfred Hitchcock. Like he is widely revered.

1191
01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:39.519
And it's that tension between he's like a devout Muslim,

1192
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:43.280
right and takes that very seriously and is making these films,

1193
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.920
at least in part early on to make money to

1194
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.639
do these films that he did mean a lot to him.

1195
01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:52.559
I do wonder, like for in the nineteen eighties, at

1196
01:06:52.639 --> 01:06:56.079
least early nineteen eighties, like how does that kind of

1197
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.880
the people that he would consider like his like crowd

1198
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:02.159
and audience for some of his religious films. Are those

1199
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.639
people the same audience for his Halloween films or does

1200
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.679
he want them watching this? Would they have any objections

1201
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.039
to this? Because I know he goes to great links

1202
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.679
to to really vet the films that he's doing to

1203
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:18.519
make sure that his audience overseas would be okay with them,

1204
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:21.719
And I wondered how it worked with Halloween or these

1205
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:24.920
you know, very much considered something he's doing over here

1206
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:29.440
in kind of crazy Hollywood, but they're his, But they're

1207
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.920
these kinds of more of a business than it is

1208
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:34.719
than some of you know, his films about Islam.

1209
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:40.000
Yeah, I think for Mustapha o Cod, I think he

1210
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:43.280
cared very much about the Halloween films, especially the later ones.

1211
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:44.719
He really didn't believe.

1212
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:46.119
It's wow to think about.

1213
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:51.559
Yeah, it's crazy, it is, it's nuts, but hey, he

1214
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:54.920
acknowledged that they were his bread and butter, but they

1215
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.360
were not like where his heart was kind of thing.

1216
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:02.000
And you know, again, I don't I don't know how

1217
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:06.639
how much he cared how the Islamic community viewed them,

1218
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:09.360
because the heart of it, what he really wanted to

1219
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:15.239
do was bridge this gap between the Western and Eastern worlds.

1220
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:18.520
And throughout his life he lived his life blending his

1221
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.720
Muslim in Arab culture with his adopted American one. He

1222
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:25.039
said that he inside of his home, he was one

1223
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:27.800
hundred percent Arab, he was one hundred percent of Muslim,

1224
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:30.239
and then the second he walked out of his door,

1225
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:34.079
he was one hundred percent American. Like he he loved

1226
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:37.840
being here, he loved making movies here, he loved the

1227
01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:41.359
culture in the community here. But he he blended his

1228
01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:43.760
two worlds. And he would travel back and forth to

1229
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:48.720
different you know, Jordan and Lebanon. His his daughter lived

1230
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:52.359
in Beirut, so he did a lot of traveling between

1231
01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:56.000
you know, his two homes essentially, and he he would

1232
01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:58.439
go on to Mary twice, you know, first to a

1233
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:02.119
woman named Patricia. They had three children, Malik, his daughter Rima,

1234
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:06.800
and then another son, Tarik. And then after his divorce,

1235
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:10.279
he married another woman, Susha, and they had a son

1236
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:15.079
named Zaid, and towards the end of his life. He

1237
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:17.279
was really looking forward to making another film. He wanted

1238
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:21.560
to make a film about Saladin. He was scouting for

1239
01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:26.680
different places to film it, and unfortunately this is when

1240
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.960
things end for him. You know. In November of two

1241
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:33.399
thousand and five, he's seventy five years old, he's really

1242
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:37.239
excited to work on Saladin, and he goes to Amman,

1243
01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:40.840
Jordan to attend a wedding. He is in the lobby

1244
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:44.960
of the Radisson Sas hotel. He greets his daughter, who's

1245
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.159
thirty five. At this point, Rima, who traveled from Beirut

1246
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:51.199
for the wedding, and a man and woman enter the hotel.

1247
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:56.079
Now the woman ultimately ends up leaving she's pushed out

1248
01:09:56.159 --> 01:10:02.199
by this man, but shortly after the man enters the

1249
01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:04.840
ballroom of the hotel where this wedding is taking place

1250
01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:09.520
and an explosion goes off. The blast immediately kills Rima.

1251
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:14.680
Mustafa is severely injured, and at the same time, two

1252
01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:17.119
other bombs go off at the Grand Hyat and days

1253
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:23.199
in in Aman nearby, causing even more devastation. The bombings

1254
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:25.520
took the lives of over fifty people. One hundred and

1255
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:30.079
fifteen others were injured. Mustapha Akad died three days after

1256
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:33.560
the attack from his injuries, and he suffered a massive

1257
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:38.119
heart attack as a result. At the devastation, Palestinian Authority

1258
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:40.960
President Mahmoud Abas said quote, we saw the outcome of

1259
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:43.600
the dangerous crime where there is no description for it

1260
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:47.159
in any dictionary. Those do not belong to any human race,

1261
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:51.600
Arab or Islam. Those are affiliated to obscurity, blackness and sabotage.

1262
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:56.159
May God curse them from this day until judgment day. Now.

1263
01:10:56.319 --> 01:11:01.319
Very quickly Jordanian authorities uncovered what happened. According to The

1264
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:05.680
Washington Post, the bombings, which Al Qaida claimed responsibility for.

1265
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:09.279
They went online said yep, this was US. The bombings

1266
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:14.800
were conducted by four suicide bombers, Ali Hussein Ali, Shamari Rawad,

1267
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:20.680
just Sent, Mohammad Abed and Safah Muhammad Ali. All successfully

1268
01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:26.640
detonated their bombs, but Ali Hussein's wife, Sashida Rishawi, failed

1269
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:29.920
to detonate hers, and that's why he made her leave

1270
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:36.000
at the Radison Hotel. So Relatives of Rishawi said that

1271
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:39.039
she had claimed to be radicalized after the US attacks

1272
01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:42.560
on Falaja in November of two thousand and four and

1273
01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:47.840
they wanted to quote, retake the Iraqi city from insurgents. Now,

1274
01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:50.640
one of her relatives told the Washington Post quote, when

1275
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:53.199
she saw the number of people killed by the Marines,

1276
01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:55.800
her husband used to bring the wounded and killed to

1277
01:11:55.840 --> 01:12:00.439
their house. They buried some of the killed in their backyard. Now,

1278
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:03.560
the targets of the bombings were supposed to be Americans

1279
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:10.159
and Jews, However, only four Americans were victims of the bombings. Instead,

1280
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:12.960
a majority of the victims that were killed were Muslim

1281
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:18.039
and Jordanian citizens. And her relatives actually came out and said, well,

1282
01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:20.119
we were really proud when she thought. We thought she

1283
01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.159
was going to do this because she was taking a scan.

1284
01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:27.399
She was going to basically show the Americans like how

1285
01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:30.920
powerful we are. But then she didn't kill Americans. She

1286
01:12:31.039 --> 01:12:33.800
killed Muslims. And now like where we feel like really bad?

1287
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.359
Like what do you mean now you feel bad? The

1288
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:40.359
investigation revealed that the four bombers traveled across the Iraqi

1289
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:43.520
border into Jordan three days before the attack and rented

1290
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:48.680
a home. The explosives were determined to be manufactured outside

1291
01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:52.279
of Jordan, and they believed that most of the parts

1292
01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:56.600
came from Yugoslavia, but the detonator was fashioned from hand

1293
01:12:56.680 --> 01:13:00.000
grenades and they were added after their arrival in Jordan.

1294
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:03.800
In and authorities believe that Al Qaeda, frustrated over their

1295
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:07.159
fifteen thwarted attempts since two thousand and four, had shifted

1296
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:10.680
their focus and recruited non Jordan citizens for the bombings

1297
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:15.399
to throw off Jordan intelligence because the Jordan authorities kept

1298
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:20.479
catching these suicide bombers that they were recruiting in Jordan.

1299
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:25.880
So for like a year, they kept trying to commit

1300
01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:29.319
these suicide bombings and they were stopped every single time.

1301
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:31.760
So the solution was, well, let's get people outside of

1302
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.439
Jordan so they won't catch us and we can claim

1303
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:38.920
responsibility after the fact. Mustap Volokod's death was not widely

1304
01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:42.760
covered in America. His wife didn't end up suing the

1305
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:47.800
Grand Hyat for basically not doing their due diligence to

1306
01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:53.960
keep their patron safe. His death only received minimal attention

1307
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:57.279
in America, which was very strange because he had such

1308
01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:02.079
a wide career here. But in Syria, the devastation of

1309
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:05.840
his loss was felt throughout the country, but the irony

1310
01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:08.800
of his death was felt even more profoundly. He had

1311
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:11.439
dedicated so much of his career trying to show the

1312
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:14.600
beauty of Islam and bridge the gap between the two worlds,

1313
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:18.359
and then he's killed by Islamic fundamentalists, Like it's just

1314
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:23.439
it's tragically ironic that he spent so much of his

1315
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:29.159
life advocating for them, and then he's killed. And he

1316
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:34.239
had perceived multiple threats for decades over his movies, and

1317
01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:39.600
he was so passionate about doing this work anyway. Mustapha

1318
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:42.079
cod was buried in his hometown of Aleipo, with his

1319
01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:45.239
daughter Rima being buried near her family in Beirut, and

1320
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:48.960
she left behind a husband and two little boys. Her

1321
01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:52.680
sons were four and two and she died. Aleipa would

1322
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:55.359
go on to name a school and a street after Mustapha,

1323
01:14:55.479 --> 01:14:58.239
and Beirut would name a street in his honor as well.

1324
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.359
Or his father's death, his son Malik had worked to

1325
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:05.720
honor and continue his father's legacy. As I said, he

1326
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:08.560
co produced the last three Halloween films his father worked on,

1327
01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:12.960
and he produced the reboot Halloween, Halloween Kills, and Halloween Ends,

1328
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.159
working to bring the franchise his father believed in so

1329
01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:19.720
much to new audiences. He also hopes to finish his

1330
01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:23.680
father's film Saladin, about the Muslim general, that Mustafa was

1331
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:28.039
working on before his death, and Malik said quote, my

1332
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:30.479
father had been semi retired at the time of his death.

1333
01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:33.119
He had been focusing on overseas film projects, while I

1334
01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:36.039
was responsible for the North American film projects such as

1335
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.880
the Halloween series. Now that I've finished Halloween, I am

1336
01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:42.960
finally free to revisit the making of Saladin. My being

1337
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:45.079
here in Hollywood, I see it every day and the

1338
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:47.800
image of Arabs here is horrible. Right now, we are

1339
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:50.520
working on several scripts that deal with political issues but

1340
01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:54.079
are not propagandistic. We must make films about the Middle

1341
01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:57.239
East Islam. We can't ask Hollywood to make our films

1342
01:15:57.279 --> 01:16:00.720
for us. We need to change our own image. So

1343
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:04.199
Mustafa cod came to America with a dream to make movies,

1344
01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:08.560
and he did succeed, simultaneously showing the world the story

1345
01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:12.359
of Islam, but also creating a legacy with the Halloween franchise.

1346
01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:16.920
People literally call him the grandfather of Halloween. And while

1347
01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:20.399
not as celebrated as John Carpenter for bringing Michael Myers

1348
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:23.680
to life, it is thanks to Mustafa that the movies

1349
01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:30.039
have endured for over forty years. It's very it's really sad,

1350
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:34.199
especially because he was killed so violently by the community

1351
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:35.319
that he advocated for.

1352
01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:40.119
It's interesting because before we were kind of looking into this,

1353
01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:42.760
like I knew, I knew that he had died, and

1354
01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:45.600
I knew of the name, but I didn't really know

1355
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.800
too much about him. And it is strange, like you said,

1356
01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:52.039
because this franchise, I do, everybody kind of knows John Carpenter,

1357
01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:56.159
and for good reason, but at least with this franchise,

1358
01:16:56.680 --> 01:17:00.439
a Cod is more associated with the kind of you know,

1359
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:03.239
the labor of this franchise as a whole. Then even

1360
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.880
John Carpenter, John Carpenter is largely gone outside the music

1361
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:09.800
that we're also familiar with and love, like after the

1362
01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:13.800
third film, and so I really think about before I

1363
01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:16.479
even knew who he was. I remember like just seeing

1364
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:18.880
every time I put on a Halloween film and see

1365
01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:22.520
like a Mustafa Cod production something like pop up. It's

1366
01:17:22.520 --> 01:17:25.239
like the first thing you see when these movies start.

1367
01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:28.600
And so I feel like his presence is all over

1368
01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:32.760
these films, and it's certainly, you know, over these holidays.

1369
01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.680
It's really interesting to hear more about him because he

1370
01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:40.159
has such an such an interesting life, and I feel

1371
01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:45.479
like with the horror community, John Carpenter is so big

1372
01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:48.800
and has such an outsize influence so so many people rightly,

1373
01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:52.239
but it overshadows maybe some of the other people who

1374
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:56.520
help kind of propel his works forward. And then the

1375
01:17:56.600 --> 01:18:00.000
true crime community, things that are the result of tar

1376
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:03.560
rorism typically or not the focus of many of discussions.

1377
01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:07.640
This is essentially a mass murder, but one hundred and

1378
01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:11.159
fifteen plus people injured, right and fifty seven people killed

1379
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:13.760
over all these bombings that are taking place during the

1380
01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:15.800
period you mentioned, And so I feel like it's a

1381
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:18.600
very strange space he's in that caused him to be

1382
01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:22.520
forgotten in some ways, where with true crime, this is

1383
01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:24.600
like one of the first shows to cover this and

1384
01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:29.279
stuff evolving terrorism that especially terrorism on a kind of

1385
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:32.439
international scale typically isn't talked about in the horror community.

1386
01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:35.680
It's more John Carpenter or Jamie Lee Curtis. So he's

1387
01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:37.840
kind of lost in both worlds.

1388
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.079
He is. He's very much lost in the shuffle. I mean,

1389
01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:45.079
even I know nobody in the true crime community that

1390
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:48.239
have like actively covered terrorism. I did it once in

1391
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:51.039
an interview and it was very brief because my guest

1392
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:54.239
was specifically involved in counter terrorism. That is what he

1393
01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:57.560
did for his job. But we didn't go over that.

1394
01:18:57.680 --> 01:18:59.439
I think a lot of people in true crime times

1395
01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:02.479
to stay from it. I tend to stay away from

1396
01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:06.119
it because it tends to be very involved. It's hard

1397
01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:10.720
to research. It is again in the horror community. I mean,

1398
01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:14.600
you think Halloween, you think John Carpenter, you think Jamie

1399
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:16.399
Lee Hardis. Those are the names you think of. You

1400
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:20.560
think you know Donald Pleasants, you think Nick Castle. You know,

1401
01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:24.079
that's that's who you think of. No one thinks about

1402
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:29.119
Mustafa Khan. He's the one that without him, we might

1403
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:32.479
not have Halloween at all. He would have had to

1404
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:34.399
find someone else to and he was pay He pitched

1405
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:37.560
it with one sentence, babysitter killed by boogeyman. That's it.

1406
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:43.359
How many people are like, Okay, great, what else? You know?

1407
01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:45.800
He believes in it so much. He still believes in

1408
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:49.399
it even when things got really convoluted, Like he believed

1409
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:53.359
in it so much. And yeah, they're a little cheesy now,

1410
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:58.479
but it's had a forty plus year legacy for a reason.

1411
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.479
And despite the fact that you know, we poke fun

1412
01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:07.039
at some of the later iterations of the Halloween franchise.

1413
01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:11.199
Just for the record, since if anybody is listening to

1414
01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:13.920
this because they were looking for Halloween or Mustafa Cod,

1415
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:15.760
We're probably gonna be the only one that pops up.

1416
01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:20.159
I do want to be clear that the whole season

1417
01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:24.239
and the ability to celebrate it is a better season

1418
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:27.840
for all of us because Mustapha A. Cod made these movies.

1419
01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:32.520
Even the worst films in this franchise, contribute to the

1420
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:35.760
entire spirit of the season in a meaningful way that

1421
01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:39.560
would not exist if he had not made these so

1422
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:42.039
so I think for that, I think it's we can

1423
01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:44.000
poke fun at these and there's and some of them

1424
01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:48.199
are not that good, but there's I'm glad that they exist,

1425
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:51.640
and I'm glad that he kind of took these crazy chances,

1426
01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:55.600
even the wild twists that I don't think make any

1427
01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:58.039
sense in some of them and are vaguely you know,

1428
01:20:58.319 --> 01:21:04.039
are pretty unsatisfied. Is still a better holiday in America

1429
01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:06.199
because he made these movies.

1430
01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:13.960
One thousand percent. It's they embody the season so well.

1431
01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:18.800
And I mean without Michael Myers, we would not have

1432
01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:23.800
Freddy or Jason like we wouldn't they were the response

1433
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:27.119
to Michael Myers. So it's we got a lot of

1434
01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:31.560
movies because of this franchise, and yeah, it's it's fun

1435
01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:33.600
to poke fun at them. Some of them are a

1436
01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:36.359
little cheesy, some of them are not great. But the

1437
01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:41.359
series of as a whole is brilliant for what it is.

1438
01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:46.439
Especially the first movie is brilliant, brilliant, especially the opening credits,

1439
01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:50.720
just with that Jackal Answern, that poorly done Jackal answer.

1440
01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:53.760
Yeah, I feel like these opening sequences for all these

1441
01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:55.520
are really good, and I feel like that's part of

1442
01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:58.399
what makes this franchise so great, is like that promise

1443
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:00.720
of what we could get, even what doesn't fully delivered.

1444
01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:04.199
I remember going to the theater to see Halloween Resurrection

1445
01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:08.439
in two thousand and two and being really excited about

1446
01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:11.760
singing our Halloween film. And even though Halloween Is Resurrection

1447
01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:14.000
was not that good and I couldn't have anticipated I

1448
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:16.640
was going to see like kung Fu and Busta Rhymes

1449
01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:20.039
and and things like that, that wasn't was expecting that

1450
01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:23.079
promise of what the movie could be. Because we were

1451
01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:26.800
able to see at its best, the Halloween franchise, the

1452
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:30.279
best moments in it, the best films are very very

1453
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:33.760
difficult to top. They're up there with the best classic

1454
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:36.680
horror films that you get, and so, and I think

1455
01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:40.479
that because the franchise at different points had soared to

1456
01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:45.199
such great heights, that there's always that promise that we

1457
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:47.600
could get it again. And I think that promise and

1458
01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:51.680
having a film come out fairly regularly for a long

1459
01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:56.399
stretch around the Halloween time like that's that that helped

1460
01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:59.359
kind of make the holiday for me at least. And

1461
01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:02.239
so I still enjoy going back and watching these even

1462
01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:05.279
you know, I own Curse of Michael Myers, even though

1463
01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:07.960
it's a film I don't even I don't even think

1464
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.199
it's very good. I like having it. Still, It's part

1465
01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:12.239
of the holiday.

1466
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:17.279
It really is, and I still forever will love this series.

1467
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:20.520
I need a mental health break from watching it, and

1468
01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:24.000
I'm done for the season. I'm good. I'm good. Eight

1469
01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:28.079
movies in five days, I'm good. But with that being said,

1470
01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.520
it's amazing. I love it dearly and I'm glad I

1471
01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:34.760
got to cover them. But thank you for hanging out

1472
01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:37.119
with me today talking Halloween.

1473
01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:41.680
It was fun. I really enjoyed it. It was one

1474
01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:45.720
of these interesting intersections between true crime and horror. That

1475
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:51.039
feels like celebrating the season while also kind of being

1476
01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:54.479
able to say something nice about someone who has not

1477
01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:57.880
talked about enough, who has done a lot for the

1478
01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.640
holiday in America. You mentioned that that image of him

1479
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:02.960
like walking out his house. He's one hundred percent American.

1480
01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:08.840
American Halloween is so tied to this like franchise, and

1481
01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:11.520
so so I think for all of that, I will

1482
01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:15.920
be lighting a jack of lantern for Mustapha acad this year,

1483
01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:18.960
and grateful that we have these movies to watch.

1484
01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:22.760
Me too. For you guys, thank you so much for listening.

1485
01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:26.760
Happy Almost Halloween. Got trick or treating. Get some good candy.

1486
01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:30.159
Make sure it's not least with anything you know, just

1487
01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:33.680
in case, I'll treats, no tricks, watch out for the Boogeyman,

1488
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:38.119
all that good stuff. And watch the Halloween movies, even

1489
01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:40.760
if it's just the first one. You've got plenty of

1490
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:42.640
time to at least watch the first two by the

1491
01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:45.800
time you listen to this. But as always, I hope

1492
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:48.239
you have a wonderful week and I will see you

1493
01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:50.439
in the next chapter of the Book of the Dead.

1494
01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:57.039
Happy Halloween. Another page closed, But the story isn't over

1495
01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:01.159
for the families left behind. The pain doesn't end when

1496
01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.800
the headlines fade, and for the victims, we owe them

1497
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:09.239
more than silence. For our on salt cases. If you

1498
01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:12.640
have any information, please reach out to local authorities or

1499
01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:16.920
visit our show notes for links and resources. Someone out

1500
01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:22.439
there knows something, Maybe it's you. Thank you for listening

1501
01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:25.319
to the Book of the Dead. If this story moved

1502
01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:27.960
or spoke to you in some way, talk about it,

1503
01:25:28.479 --> 01:25:33.279
share it, Keep their names alive. Until next time, I'm

1504
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:40.119
Courtney Liso. Stay safe, stay curious, and stay vigilant, and

1505
01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:44.039
remember the dead may be gone, but their stories will

1506
01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:45.159
not be forgotten.