April 22, 2026

Chapter 139: A Mother’s Voice-The Death of Jax Gratton w/ Rainbow Crimes

Chapter 139: A Mother’s Voice-The Death of Jax Gratton w/ Rainbow Crimes

When Jax Gratton disappeares on April 15, 2025, those closest to her knew something was wrong. Weeks later, her body is found, but the answers never came. In this episode, I joined CJ from Rainbow Crimes Podcast to take a deeper look at Jax’s case,...

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When Jax Gratton disappeares on April 15, 2025, those closest to her knew something was wrong.

Weeks later, her body is found, but the answers never came.

In this episode, I joined CJ from Rainbow Crimes Podcast to take a deeper look at Jax’s case, the investigation, and the questions that still remain unanswered.Most importantly, we hear directly from Jax’s mother, Cherilynne, as she shares who Jax truly was beyond the headlines and why she continues to fight for justice.Together, we explored the gaps in the investigation, the challenges faced in cases involving LGBTQ+ victims, and the importance of keeping Jax’s story in the spotlight.This isn’t just about what happened.
It’s about who Jax was and why her story matters.

Thank you to CJ, for having me be apart of this episode, and thank you to Cherilynne for being kind enough to speak with us.


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Every story has a beginning, but not everyone has an ending.

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In the shadows of headlines and buried police reports lay

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the voices of the missing, the murdered, and the forgotten,

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waiting to be heard and have their stories told. This

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is The Book of the Dead, a true crime podcast

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where we remember forgotten victims of heinous crimes, reopen cold cases,

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re visit haunting disappearances, and uncover the truths buried beneath

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the years of silence. I'm your host, Courtney Liso, and

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every week we turn to another chapter, one victim, one mystery,

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High Book of the Dead listeners. I'm CJ host of

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Rainbow Crimes formerly known as Beyond the Rainbow, True Crimes

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of the LGBTQ. Courtney, your talented host and fellow member

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of Dark Cast Network, was gracious enough to help me

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out with this case as it's been one I've wanted

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to cover since November of last year. It's a fairly

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recent case, with the victim dying in April of twenty

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twenty five. With that being said, let me tell you

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a little about what I know of the case, and

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at the end, Courtney and I will share an interview

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we had with the victim's mom. Chary Lynn. Thirty four

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year old Jack Scratton was a Denver, Colorado hairstylist. Jacks

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was proudly a trans woman. Jackson was seen leaving her

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apartment Inver on April fifteenth, twenty twenty five. This was

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around ten pm after telling her roommate she'd be back

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in three hours. Her apartment surveillance camera cut footage of

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Jack's leaving with a man. This man is said to

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have been having a consensual sexual relationship with Jacks. That

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man is forty four year old Brandon David Mama, although

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Jack's mom has disputed the claim that Jackson and Brandon

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were intimately involved and that was the last time JACKX

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was seen alive. Hours went by and Jackson returned home

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to her roommate. Days went by and no sign of

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Jack's shary Lynn lives in a different state than Jack's,

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so their contact was mostly made via texts, phone calls,

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and FaceTime. On Easter Sunday, April twentieth, shary Lynn was

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anxiously awaiting a call from Jacks, but that call would

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never materialize. A friend of Jackson's also contacted Sherlynn for

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they too feared something was wrong. Shrolyn was under the

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assumption that Jackson's roommate had filed a missing persons report

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with the Denver Police. Unfortunately, that had not come to

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fruition and there was no official report on file, although

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the roommate had called the Denver police. On April twenty fourth,

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Charlyn made an official missing persons report for Jacks with

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the Denver Police Department. Friends and family created flyers and

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posters that were stapled upon utility posts in storefronts and

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passed out to the citizens of Denver, but nothing and

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no one came forward. Still, weeks, months were going by

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without any contact or sightings of Jacks. As for the weather,

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May was exceptionally rainy for that time of year in

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the Denver area. Now we bring in the Lakewood Police Department.

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Meant Lakewood is a suburb adjacent to Denver. Lakewood Police

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was brought in because phone records showed Jackson's phone had

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pinged in an office building in Lakewood. On May twenty ninth,

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Lakewood Police went to the site of Jackson's phone's last

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ping and they searched an office space there on the

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second floor. At least they said they searched it, and

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they found nothing. I do have doubts about the quality

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of their investigation due to what I'm about to tell

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you next. By June, the weather was beginning to warm up.

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Residents at a building in Lakewood, the same building Lakewood

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Police supposedly investigated, were complaining about a followed or coming

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from somewhere, but they couldn't identify where. On June sixth,

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the owner of the property did a sweep of the

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building in its grounds, searching for what was creating the

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toxic smell. He finally opened up a lock gate between

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his building in another building that contained a narrow, four

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foot wide alleyway, and he proceeded into the alleyway. This

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is where Jack's remains would be discovered. Lakewood police were

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again called to investigate. You know, had they just looked

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out the damn window on May twenty ninth, they wouldn't

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have been called back. Apparently, on this visit, the office furniture,

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including a futon, was no longer in the office space,

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and this destroyed any evidence that could have potentially told

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the real story of what happened the night of April fifteenth,

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twenty twenty five. Through her own investigated powers that be,

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Cheryl Lynn was able to find the name of the

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last people to see her daughter alive. Still, Lakewood Police

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didn't seem to be doing much about it. Lakewood Police's

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detective work was pretty lackluster from the start. On March

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eleventh of the day, twenty twenty six, the forty four

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year old man branded David Mama, with whom Jacks was

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last seen leaving her apartment with, was arrested by the

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Blue River Police Department in Colorado. Blue River is located

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about eighty five miles southwest of Denver. He was charged

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with one count of tampering with evidence and one count

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of tampering with a deceased human body. But this guy,

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he has a long ass wrap sheet his former crimes,

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and some of them that weren't too old, look like this.

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Fleeing or attempting to elude officers, flight to avoid trial

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or punishment, possession and use of drug paraphernalia, reckless driving,

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failure to yield to an emergency vehicle, another fleeing or

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eluding officers, disrespecting a judge, theft, possession of drugs, another

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possession and use of drug paraphernala a dui. Another disrespect

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of a judge, stalking, harassment, loitering and prowling at night,

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another harassment charge, and yet another harassment charge. Nine more

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stalking charges, three terrorist threats, seven more harassment charges, another

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terrorist threat, resisting arrest, vandalism, and four more DUIs. I'm

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exhausted just trying to name all of his crimes. According

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to Brandon's grand jury indictment, Jackson Brandon had known each

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other for a couple of years. Brandon had brought Jacks

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back to his office space, which was located at ninety

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six fifty five West Colfax Avenue in Lakewood. This would

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have been at ten forty one pm on April fifteenth,

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twenty twenty five. During their time spent in the two

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story office space, Jax would overdose on GHB or gamma

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hydroxy butyrate. This is a highly potent drug and considered

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a date reaped drug. Now, remember this is what is

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in Brandon's grand jury indictment. According to Brandon, but we

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all know criminals aren't always fourthright about the truth. Also,

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according to the indictment, a male friend of Brandon's would

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arrive at the office space at twelve fifteen a m.

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Jax was so high on who knows what, possibly GHB,

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maybe something else, only wanted to sleep and did so

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on the futon that was in the office space. According

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to both Brandon and the male friend, Jax began to vomit,

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so Brandon and the friend rolled Jacks on to her

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side and they left. The surveillance footage on the building

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of the office space shows the friend and Brandon leaving

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the building and leaving Jacks unattended at one forty three am. Sadly,

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we don't know if Jax was still alive at this

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time or not. No one else was seen entering or

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exiting the unit until five point fifty five am, and

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this is when Brandon returned. Brandon remained inside the unit

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until six fifty seven am, so a little over an hour,

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at which point he went and moved his vehicle to

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the north side of the building. He went back inside,

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and he returned with some black trash bags which he

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disposed into a dumpster. Brandon then drove away from the building.

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Brandon was questioned by police the day they searched the

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office unit. He told law enforcement. He had collected a

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few of Jack's things to return to her. At another time,

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he acknowledged he thought Jax might have been overdosing on

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drugs and he should have called nine to one one

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instead of leaving her after she vomited. He admitted to

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authorities he knew she was concer or a missing person,

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but he never came forward with any information. His admissions

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are contradicting. For sure, he gathered her belongings to give

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to her at a later date, yet he knew she

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was considered a missing person ge have rap Brandon. According

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to the District Attorney's office, none of Jack's belongings or

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her cell phone have ever been located to this day,

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although her phone ping near the office space at ten

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twenty two pm. Much later, her phone ping near Jackson's home,

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which means it had to have been moved by someone.

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Jackson's body had been found wearing the exact same clothing

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that she had been in when she left her apartment

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on April fifteenth, with the exception of Jack's not wearing

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any shoes and possibly not a shirt. A great to

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an air conditioning unit was covering her lower body. The

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AC unit with the missing grate had a sub substantial

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dent in it. This is where Jackson's remains would be discovered,

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directly under a window to brandon Mama's second story office.

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Later in June, after Jackson's body had been found, law

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enforcement conducted another search of the office space. There was

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a three panel window there. The middle panel did not open,

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but one of the side panels had a bent and

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partially askewed screen over it. This was something Lakewood police

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failed to find when they first looked over the office.

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When questioned about the windows screen, Brandon offered that he

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and Jax had talked about crawling through a window to

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the other building's roof to go smoke. He suggested maybe

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she tried to do this when he was gone and

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she had fallen. However, there was no lighter, no cigarettes

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found near Jackson's body, and according to all those who

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knew her, Jax didn't smoke cigarettes. The crime scene unit

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took the air conditioner panel back to look for fingerprints

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in DNA. There were zero fingerprintter DNA found that belonged

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to Jacks. The indictment alleges Brandon Honor about April sixteenth,

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twenty twenty five, shoved Jacks's body through the window. He

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also disposed of her personal belongings, all to avoid detection

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by police. Brandon is currently being held on one hundred

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thousand dollars cash only bond, and his legal proceedings are

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at their early stages. While the investigators believe Brandon was

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the last person seen with Jacks, and Jacks was very

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much alive when entering Brandon's office building, Brandon has yet

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to be charged with murder. He has requested a change

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of venue, feeling that media in the area has tainted

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his ability to get a fair trial. As of this recording,

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Brandon has not been approved or denied the venue change. Now,

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Courtney and I would love to introduce you to sh

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Carolynn Jack Scratton's mom. Hi there, Thank you so much

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for meeting Courtney and I and discussing your sweet Jack's

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with us. When did Jacks come out as a trans woman?

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Twenty sixteen? It was very very simple. She had done

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tons of editorials, hair and makeup done he fashion week,

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and she flew into Moscow, Idaho. We went to my

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daughter's horse lesson, which was about twenty minutes away. We

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were sitting on the bench watching Monroe ride her horse,

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and she said, ma, And I said, what did you do?

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Jacks never expecting because she always kept me guessing. And

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she pulled out a medicine bottle of hormones and said,

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I'm going to transition into a woman. And I said, well,

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that's great, wonderful. Monroe finished with their lesson and the

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twenty minute ride home, she explained to Monroe was eight

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nine or ten at the time, explained to her what

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was going on. And from that point on she had

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a sister and she was tickle pink. Monroe has never missgendered.

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Jack's never messed up with Jack's name. And then my

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daughter was female. She started showing me pictures of her

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boobs growing, and she was very upset because she was lopsided.

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And I said, you know, seventy five percent of women

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have lopsided boob, so you can't be perfect. I tried

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to talk her out of the enlargement processes all along

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the way because I don't believe in surgery. Surgeries are risky.

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I worked in Vegas for twenty years, knew a lot

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of cotail waitresses, knew a lot of dealers. A lot

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of my friends had boob jobs, and a lot. I

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took care of a lot of people that had boob

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jobs and had to the draining process. Some people would

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get infected, and that was terribly painful and cruel for

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a woman. So I always tried to talk her out

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of all of her surgeries, but she was always persistent.

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She always raised enough money, she always took time off work,

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she always had everything taken care of.

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So yeah, so Jacks went through with the boob surgery. Yes,

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and she ended up having to have it three different times.

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Oh no, the first time she got him too big.

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The second time they'd left a staple in her chest,

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and so hence they had to go back and get

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the staple out and they fixed them.

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So they were absolutely perfect. She was very proud of

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her boobs.

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Oh that's awesome.

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But the thing with Jack's was she was born that way.

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I have a picture of her dressing up. Her transition

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was not was not tough, was not difficult, was not anything.

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When she told me she was gay at fourteen years old, okay,

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it was no big deal. Sick Freed and Roy, who

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were friends of mine in Las Vegas, told me that

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Jack's was gay when we went over to see their tigers,

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when she was five. So you know that about your child.

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Someone told me that to be a transgender parent, you

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have to grieve the loss of your child. You're so

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in Jack's case, you had to grieve the loss of

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my son, and then you have to celebrate the rebirth

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of Jack's my daughter. Jacks's personality didn't change at all.

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Jack's what she did, what she loved. There was never

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even a gray line. It was black and white. This

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is Jack's, this is Jack's as my son, and this

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is Jacks as my daughter. And that they're exactly the same,

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except for one has boobs. Their personality everything nobody questioned.

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Nobody questioned Jack's at all.

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Well, I want to know if you have one special

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memory of Jacks that you'd like to share with us.

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I have hundreds, you could pick one. What would it be?

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Mine would be We had to move to Moscow, Idaho,

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from Las Vegas, Nevada, because I had gotten sick for

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the first time. Jacks was I think eleven at the time,

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and in Las Vegas he had a lot of Jewish girlfriends,

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friends that were Jewish, and so he wanted to be

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Jewish because his dad's uncle was Jewish. Uncle Alan Aunt

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Dottie and went to Batmansvah's. I always had the best gift.

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But we moved to Moscow, Idaho, and my mother was

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real big in all the church scenes. She had played

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organ in the Catholic church. She also studied Catechism. She

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also studied the Book of Mormage, and she also played

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the piano at the Methodist church. So Jack's the only

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private school in Moscow, Idaho at the time was the

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Catholic school, so I enrolled my boys into public school.

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Jacks went to his Grammy pat and said, I want

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to go to the Catholic school. Papa Jax and Grammy

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Maryland were raised Catholic, so that's what I want to do.

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So we walked in. My mother made an appointment with

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Sister Mary Katherine or Mary Margaret, who is still alive,

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and we had this meeting and she asked Jacks about

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her faith and Jack Jax spoke up and said, you know,

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actually I'm Jewish, and my mother just about fell off

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of her seat. But Jacks was then enrolled. He got

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a little scholar she got little scholarship, and then my

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mother paid the other so she went to private school.

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I think it was the second day that she was there.

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She told us at breakfast that we needed to come

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to the morning mass, and the kids walked over from

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the school to the church and there was my daughter

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walking up and she gave the morning recognition and the

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morning ceremony for all the kids, and she it was

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her second day into school, which absolutely crazy to me

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that she had it memorized. She didn't mess up on

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any of the words, and she got up in front

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of all the whole community who went to eight o'clock

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or nine o'clock, whatever time it was. And my mother

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was very, very impressed with my daughter at that time,

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which was wonderful because from that school too, she also

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started playing the saxophone. She made lifelong friends at that school,

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and she only attended Saint Mary's for I think a

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year and a half the time I was in Moscow.

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So that is one of my favorite stories of the

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hundreds I have.

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I love that. Thank you for sharing that. Okay, So

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I would like to get into the case a little

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bit now. Resources that I've read state that you don't

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believe Jack's was in an intimate relationship with Brandon David. Mama.

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Has that believe changed?

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Absolutely not branded David Mama was Jack's drug dealer. They

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met online. This is fact. I don't know why people

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are trying to say it's a boyfriend and girlfriend thing.

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I know that in the last around three years, Brandon

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Mama had relations, which relations I'm saying sex six times

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with my daughter Jack's. I know that Jack's had problems

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with substance abuse, but always put herself into treatment. I

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know that Jacks went on a dating site when she

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had slipped, and a transgender site where everybody knew she

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was transgender. There's pictures of her and asking for anybody

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with drugs, drugs for sex. That is how she met

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Brandon Mama. It was never boyfriend girlfriend. In those three years,

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they went months without talking, and if you know anything

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about addiction and slipping, those encounters could have been two

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or three in a week's time for drugs. But Jack's

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always pulled herself out of it. I did not know

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about this last time that she was struggling. Usually she

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would call me, but unfortunately she died. I can guarantee

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you she did not die of a drug overdose because

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the corner Lakewood Police, everybody involved. If there was one

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ounce that they could prove that it was a drug overdose.

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They would have because when it was given to me,

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first of all, they told me that people had given

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them tips that she had overdosed and she was using

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I think heroin. The first thing is Jacks did not

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even take her hormones with a needle because she from

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the very young age, hated needles. People got back to

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me that she had to have her surgeries with that

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she wanted. They had to sedate her orally before they

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could even start an IV. My daughter did not stick

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a needle in her arm. Ever, So when Lakewood police said, well,

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we have tips that she was using narcotics, you know,

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shooting them in her arm, that never happened. If anything

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got shot into her arm, it was not her. She

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physically could not do that. She hated needles.

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So that would lead me to ask, you have you

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seen the autopsy report.

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I have the autopsy report. I'd be happy to give

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it to you.

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Could you tell me what the official cause of death was?

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Undetermined?

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Oh I love when.

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They put that undetermined. Okay, but she had for almost

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a year. Everybody came at me that she jumps, fell

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or was pushed out brand of Mamma's side window. So

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JACKX is not going to jump out a window into

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a dark alley with no shoes on, no shirt, no

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glasses because she couldn't see. She has very very near sighted.

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She didn't she left her house with glasses on. She

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did not take her contact with She afraid of height,

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afraid of the dark. There is no state of mind

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where she would have jumped out of that window. If

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somebody was attacking her, she would have fought instead of

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going out a window, which in the indictment there was

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no fingerprints, no hair residue, no anything of Jack's on

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that window. Granted it, they didn't take it out until

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fifty two days later, but she didn't go out that window.

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So broken hyoid bone in her neck on the right side,

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broken clavicle, and ribs that were not broken. And I

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don't have the autopsy in front of me because I'm

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at the lake. Worries that they were not broken, but

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there was injury to her ribs. With that being said,

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down below and I have the pictures down below the

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window there's an air conditioning and everybody, even people that

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are positive to the case, said Sherry. She probably went

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out that window and hit that air conditioning. Unit because

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it's dented on top. Okay, if that's the case, why

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did lake Would police not take that to the lab

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and go through it, take it apart, see if there's

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any trace of Jack's on it. Why didn't they do that?

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If now you're telling me she jumped Fellow was pushed

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out that window, why wouldn't you take a dented cylinder

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square cylinder if you think that that might have caused harm?

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Because it didn't. She was dead before she was placed

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in that alley. Did she die of an overdose? I

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don't think so. Did somebody harm her? I think so.

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They say that there was no defensive wounds, that she

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was trying to fight somebody. They told me. That told

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me that, And how new DNA evidence was released in

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December or it wasn't released to the public, But I

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was told by Lakewood police that they have new evidence.

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In my research, if they have new evidence that came

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from either underneath her fingernails or in her mouth, they

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already have brand of Mama's DNA. So this is coming

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from another source, which I said all along. I don't

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know about the person who went to the grand jury.

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I can't say his name because the DA asked me

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not to. He should be If Brandon Mama's story is

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that he left her and she had overdosed, the person

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that is backing up Brandon Mama's story should be charged. Also.

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They both left somebody supposedly throwing up, knowing that she

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did drugs. One of the statements that the police told

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me was that she woke up, started throwing up, and

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started screaming at the two men to lead the office.

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They were such gentlemen. They turned her on this side

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and left, but did not call the police, did not

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call the ambulance. That's why my thought. In Colorado, the

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state law is you can't be punished if you report

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an overdose. And these guys would know that one's a

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drug dealer, the other one I don't know much about.

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Going back to.

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The autopsy report, were there any signs of track marks?

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No, well, she was decomposed for fifty two days, but

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absolutely not. And she showed her arms, her feet, her

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toes on a daily basis. She wore a lot of

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sleeveless shirts because she was proud of her arms, and

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she had beautiful tattoos.

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I wanted to follow up on what the asopsy report said.

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I'm a little confused as to the ondetermined cause of

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death because you mentioned the brook a bone, you mentioned

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the broken clavicle. That's indicative of some sort of assault,

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you know, you mentioned, well, she didn't have any defensive wounds,

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that's what they're saying. But she was confirmed to have

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been under the effects of GHB and then at least

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according to the Denver I the toxicology reports found methemputomine, THHC,

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sidle apram, and trasidone in her system. So if she

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has this in her system, of course she's not going

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to fight back. I mean, they Brandon Mama's claiming she's overdosing,

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so there's she wouldn't fight back. So I'm a little

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confused as to the undetermined cause of death. I don't

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I don't understand why that is their line of thinking

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in that regard.

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Right, And I have to say Jackson had a pelvic kidney, okay,

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so any drugs in her system, I would hope that

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they would have taken hair samples, because then you can

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see how long she had been using drugs, what drugs

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she had been using. She also used adderall twice a day.

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She took it in the morning and at night, the

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levels of those drugs in her system would change beings

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when she died. There's a huge discussion that adderall all

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can test positive of meth amphetamine. I honestly believe that

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if you look at the drugs that were in her

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system and what she tested positive for, if it was

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a drug overdose, they would have called it a drug

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overdose period, end of story. I think they wanted me

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to call it a drug overdose, and I wanted proof.

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They did not give me proof. At no time do

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they say adderall or anything like that. She had a

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prescription for adderall. I know she took it twice a day,

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morning and night, and if she was leaving her house

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at ten o'clock, I'm sure she would have taken her

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last dose sometime around there. So there you go. The

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other thing as far as the GHB, GHB is a

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natural and incurrence. When you die, your body produces and

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as you decompose, produces GHB. A lot of people don't

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know that, but it does.

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Jack. When Jacques initially disappeared on April fifteenth, or that

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was the last day she'd been seen, and during the

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course of her being missing, you know what was that

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search like for you as her mother, and what were

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some of the hurdles you had to jump through to

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try and get results.

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I had to trust in people I'd never met. People

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came to stories with me that now I know who

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they are, But there actually were people that inserted themselves

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into Jack's case that Jack's was her mentor they never

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met Jack's I had to put trust in people. I

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believed in people. People were so very helpful. I find

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a lot of the people that showed up afterwards that

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never met Jacks. It was scary as heck. I never

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ever expected this to happen. Ever, my daughter shared way

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too much with me, so searching for Jacks was horrifying.

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It was my daughter's first year in college, my youngest daughter,

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and that was very, very tough. Jack's two brothers were

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having a very hard time. Dana is only a year

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00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.000
and a day younger than Jack's. They were raised pretty

462
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:46.799
much like twins. I talked to Jack's on a FaceTime

463
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.160
April eleventh and asked her how things were going. She

464
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.440
was beautiful, fold face, some makeup, her hair was done.

465
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:57.960
She was rushing to the post office before she went

466
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.960
to the salon, and she said, Mom, I'm just super,

467
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:07.440
super busy. I'm taking this class. I'm really gonna change

468
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.960
get my business going. I didn't even think of checking

469
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:16.839
up on her. Easter was coming. Easter was a big

470
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.200
day for us, and that was okay, I'll talk to

471
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:24.319
you on Easter. Okay, great Easter morning came and she

472
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.720
used to she's a holiday girl and would call everybody

473
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.039
and sing little Bunny fufoo because it's a big joke

474
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.480
in my family because little bunny foof foo, it's really

475
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:41.240
when you sing it, it can be horrifying, bopping the

476
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:46.079
field nice on the head. And I did my regular

477
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.720
Instagram Happy Easter post everybody, and I hadn't heard from Jacks.

478
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:56.319
Went on without my day. I'm a caregiver, so once

479
00:32:56.359 --> 00:33:00.200
Annie got up, took care of her, and then when

480
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.400
she was eating her breakfast, I called Jack's again, called

481
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.880
my other kids and wished him a happy Easter and

482
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:10.319
thought this is really strange, but didn't. I wasn't alarmed

483
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:15.440
alarmed because sometimes, like on Thanksgiving, she goes to a

484
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.119
lot of people friendsgiving and shell if she made food

485
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:24.240
or whatever, she shows me the trays, and one Thanksgiving

486
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.039
I think she had three different friendsgivings to go to.

487
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:32.200
She ate Thanksgiving dinner three different times, which was total Jacks.

488
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.319
And it wasn't until later in the evening and when

489
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.720
I didn't hear anything, didn't hear anything, I called my

490
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.640
ex husband and he hadn't heard anything, and none of

491
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:45.240
my kids had hurt anything. Couldn't sleep that night and

492
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.039
was on my phone and saw that Pope Francis had

493
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:52.079
died the morning right after Easter. So I just knew

494
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:57.920
that Jacks was horrified because Pope Francis was Jack's rockstar,

495
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:04.000
constantly sending me stuff about what Pope Francis did. Really

496
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:08.719
felt accepted by the Catholic Church because of Pope Francis

497
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:14.519
and nothing. So that was Monday. Called my ex husband

498
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:19.639
again and was like, do you have friends in Denver still?

499
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.280
Because we had a bar in a restaurant in Denver,

500
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.679
and so he got a hold of his buddy. I

501
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:31.079
started calling Jack's shop. I didn't know Brandy at that time.

502
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:35.000
I left a message. I booked an appointment through Jack's

503
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:40.360
online thing. And in November, Jax had lost her phone,

504
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.320
so I was hoping that was the case that she

505
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:48.920
lost her phone because that was a big deal losing

506
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.119
your phone, getting your phone back, and it was Easter Sunday,

507
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:56.400
so I could see this happening. So then Mike knew

508
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:01.320
how to check for jails. I started calling and hospitals,

509
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:09.079
I started calling corners, I started calling treatment centers. And

510
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.920
you have to realize anytime Jackson went into treatment, she

511
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.400
had to plan it out because she didn't have insurance.

512
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.360
She had to plan it out. She had to fix

513
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.880
her books to make sure that her clients were taken

514
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.239
care of. In her purse. I have her purse because

515
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:31.360
I knew. I know that she wasn't using money for drugs,

516
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:34.559
because I have her credit cards, I have her ID.

517
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:39.760
I have her purse with a purple alcohol anonymous thing

518
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.559
or knarking whatever, and another one. And the purple one

519
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.599
I know is very important to her because she would

520
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:50.559
FaceTime me and we'd be talking, and she carried that

521
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.559
medallion on her a lot. It was like her lucky charm,

522
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.039
and she'd take it out and kiss it and say goodbye, mom,

523
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.000
you know. And that was in her purse. But there

524
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:06.199
was a check that somebody had been to her salon

525
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:11.119
and Jax had signed the back and probably automatically put

526
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:14.199
it in her account. I got a hold of the

527
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:18.039
lady and she said Jax was not using I have

528
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.679
been a client of Jack's since she was in beauty school,

529
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:27.360
and I followed her and JACKX has always this woman

530
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.679
gets her hair done every six weeks. So Jax would

531
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.159
call her and let her know that if she was

532
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.960
going into treatment or if she was having surgery, to say,

533
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.599
I'm going in to treatment, I've been having a hard time.

534
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.719
I'm going to be gone this amount of time. Would

535
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.559
you like a haircut before I go in? Or are

536
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:52.400
you good? And the lady would say, oh, you know,

537
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.280
put me in before you go. And that was with

538
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.880
surgeries too, because she took off a lot of time

539
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.960
with surgery.

540
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.480
You went through, you know, in the search for her,

541
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:05.800
and I guess to kind of piggyback off of that,

542
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.039
you there was a lot of issues that you had

543
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:13.599
to content with with the Coroner's office and the Lakewood Police,

544
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.079
you know, including alleged misgendering and dead naming of Jack's

545
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.559
you know, how did that impact the investigation and you know,

546
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.280
subsequently your grieving process for them to you know, have

547
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.000
this blatant disrespect.

548
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:31.920
I dill, I know have not grieved I have suffered PTSD.

549
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.920
I have tripped over Jack's body in the middle of

550
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.000
the night, when I've gotten up, when my client has

551
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.599
called and needed help to the restroom. I have smelled

552
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.960
Jack's decomposing body. I went to visit my daughter Monroe

553
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:50.480
in Missouri over Christmas, and she was taking care of

554
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.840
a dog and I could see from her dorm room

555
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.119
where the puppy, where the dog thing was. And she

556
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.360
called me and said, watch this, watch Koda. And I

557
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.599
looked at the window and I saw my daughter's decomposed

558
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.119
body with no eyes and no with their hair still

559
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.800
pulled back. And it took me probably twenty five seconds

560
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:17.280
because my first inclination was to save Monroe, who was

561
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.039
down with her dog. It wasn't It's not I didn't

562
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:25.360
see that, but in my head it was just trauma.

563
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:30.599
Because I'd been fighting all through December with information, trying

564
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.760
to get information from the detectives. It's been awful, I

565
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.960
do have to say now that I think about it.

566
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:44.920
So this little group of Jack's warriors to give perfect

567
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:49.280
strangers and Jack's good friend Kaylee, who Kaylee was a

568
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.719
student of Jack's. I was on the internet twenty four

569
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:56.519
to seven we would get tips in real time and

570
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:01.119
be able to get a hold of somebody that's said, hey,

571
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:05.199
can you verify that this is not Jack's or this

572
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.960
is Jack's. We were able to do that in real time,

573
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:12.760
hours and a lot of times days before the Denver

574
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.519
police could, just because of the network, and there were

575
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:21.119
so many helpers, so many people turned in tips. The

576
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.519
bad thing was is they reported her with red hair.

577
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.719
I watched so much video and saw so many pictures

578
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:35.159
of women with red hair, sis women, transgender women. If

579
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.559
you had red hair, I know who you are. But

580
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.880
we were able to do that. And that's the other

581
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:44.519
thing that there's people in Jack's community that knew about

582
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.280
mama and allowed us to go fifty two days of

583
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:52.920
this searching. And that's sick. That's not a friend. That's

584
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.159
not a friend to the LGBTQ community. You were not respected.

585
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.360
I don't care if you assue me because what I have.

586
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.920
I have a twenty thirteen kia and a daughter in college,

587
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.840
So you're not gonna get much from me. I feel

588
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.639
that it will all come out in the wash, just

589
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:15.639
like I yelled and yelled and yelled, she did. Even

590
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.960
people that supported me were trying to convince me that

591
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:24.119
she jumped, fell, or was thrown out that window. We

592
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.519
can prove that she did not. She did not go

593
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:29.519
out that window alive. If she went out that window,

594
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.119
I do not know how they placed her in that alley,

595
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.880
but she did not go out that window on her

596
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:39.199
own recard. She did not jump off the roof. That's

597
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.800
what other people were telling me. Also, is that drug

598
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.239
addicts are always on that roof and they jump between

599
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:50.079
that building and the pawn shop. No, especially with no

600
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:54.239
shoes on. Jax couldn't walk a beach without sandals because

601
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:57.719
she had tender feet. And she was just She's that

602
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.679
girly girl that you can can't take anywhere because they

603
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.480
need a blow dryer, a curling iron and shall we do?

604
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:11.280
That was just her and she was like that even

605
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:16.760
before she transitioned. She was high maintenance, loved loved pretty things.

606
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:22.840
And I think that Lakewood Police and Lakewood City and

607
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.559
Lakewood Corner did not want to have the bad press

608
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:32.480
of a dead transgender woman. So I don't know how

609
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:38.360
they can be so unprofessional and not follow the evidence.

610
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.400
I agree you've been You've absolutely been put in a

611
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.960
position that no one should be put in let alone

612
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:48.159
you know a mother. This past March, Brandon Mama was

613
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.719
indicted for tampering with a deceased body as well as

614
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.880
tampering with evidence, even though he had that outburst in

615
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.360
court saying he didn't do what they say he did.

616
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.880
You know, what was your reaction to hearing the indictment.

617
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.960
Does it feel like a step towards justice for Jax

618
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:05.599
or do you think it's kind of a way of

619
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.960
them holding someone accountable without actually having to ask the

620
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:11.199
really hard questions about what happened.

621
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:16.400
Well, let me tell you. So. The DA, the Jefferson

622
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.679
County DA, has had Jack's file since October. They put

623
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.639
it to a grand jury. I have and will never

624
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.440
know what they put to the grand jury. I am

625
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.719
thinking they only gave them two options because putting it

626
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.000
to a grand jury then a lot of the other

627
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.760
charges can't come forward. I didn't understand a lot of

628
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.199
the legal stuff until after it came out. The main

629
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:47.159
DA called me. I was picking up prescriptions at Walmart,

630
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:50.239
got in my car and called them back, and she

631
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:54.039
had all these people and said, okay, Brandon Mama's arrested.

632
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:56.719
He's in jail, and DA DA, DA, DA dah, and

633
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.719
this is what we did, and who's sitting in on

634
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:04.320
the meeting. The two prosecuting attorneys who are the best

635
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.280
of the best, which I have heard from the beginning

636
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.400
from Lakewood at the best of the best, detectives the

637
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.639
best of the best, corner the best of the best,

638
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.800
and introduces me to somebody who says she introduces her

639
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.800
as an advocate. She is not an advocate because myself

640
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.039
and my family are not victims. Jack's was not a victim.

641
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:32.800
I guess and thinking now, yay, I have an advocate.

642
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:37.920
The person who is that person? All she is responsible

643
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.079
to do is to make sure that I know the

644
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:46.800
court dates. That's it. Nothing, nothing, So he was indicted.

645
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:49.519
So I get cis women who have been hurt by

646
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:53.239
Brandon Mama, Where do I go to. My detective at

647
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.119
Lakewood can no longer talk to me. My detective at

648
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:01.320
Denver cannot talk to me anymore. Who do I send

649
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.960
these women to. I have women that say I will testify,

650
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:11.679
let me testify that are sis women Transgender women who

651
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:15.159
have been hurt and choked by Brandon Mama are afraid

652
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.239
will not come forward. I do not blame them. The

653
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:24.760
show of forty police officers in full uniform coming to

654
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:27.760
the council meeting the night of the vote shows me

655
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:32.440
just how ignorant that police force is. You do not

656
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.159
do that. It was ugly, it was gross, And if

657
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:41.440
you're a transgender woman and live in Lakewood, you know

658
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.960
that you're not going to report anything period. You're just

659
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.320
not going to do it to that police force. But

660
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.920
I have SIS women now that are coming forward from

661
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.800
Denver and from where brandon Mama lived, where he was arrested,

662
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.239
stating that he hurt them. Where do I give that

663
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.159
information to? Who do I give it to? I try

664
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:08.880
to give it to the DA's investigator. What they want

665
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:13.599
me to do is give them everybody's name and everybody's

666
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:18.039
phone number. These women have been sexually abused. I said, no,

667
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.199
do you not have a number that I can have

668
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:26.480
them call you. They're in a safe place, let them

669
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:31.559
call you on their own time. They refuse to do that.

670
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.880
Not the transgender women. That's fine. I have still so

671
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:41.400
much respect for you even contacting me and telling me

672
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:46.159
your story that I appreciate and that is so very brave.

673
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:52.400
The CIS women I contacted, they said, please, I will

674
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:56.920
tell whoever you want turned that. I couldn't get a

675
00:45:56.920 --> 00:46:00.679
hold of the investigator because I had no information, So

676
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:03.440
I had to turn that over to Linda, and then

677
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:06.960
I had to hold from someone that I don't respect,

678
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.960
I don't know, and trust that she turns it over

679
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:13.800
to the investigator or to the das that are prosecuting

680
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.440
brand and Mama. Did she do that? I don't know.

681
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.159
I know that it took fourteen days for the investigator

682
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:24.480
to reach the first person who Brandon Mama had harmed.

683
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:30.199
My PI has been very, very busy because if they

684
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:35.360
told me they wanted their story recorded, some have filed

685
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.480
police reports. He went to each and every one of

686
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:43.239
them and interviewed them, so we have record if anything

687
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:47.360
happens to him, what has taken place, verified, so on

688
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:51.199
and so forth. We now have that record. So when

689
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.800
Brandon Mama tells his story, he's gotten off over and

690
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.639
over and over and over again. We now have recourse.

691
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:02.239
So these women are not just floating in the air

692
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.079
and worried that somebody's going to show up. He has

693
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:11.159
had stalking stalking people. Hopefully people will have justice, and

694
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:16.119
that's another justice for Jacks. Is that women transgender or

695
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.880
cis it is not your right to have sex with them.

696
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:23.559
It is not your right to drug them. It is

697
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:28.239
not your right to choke them, especially transgender women. That

698
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:32.599
seems to be the big thing that he just drugs

699
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:37.480
and rapes sis women, but transgender women, he has a

700
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.079
history of choking. Does that have to do with Jack's death?

701
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:45.159
I have no idea, but certainly explain the broken hyoid.

702
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.719
Yeah, but because Jack's had problems in the past with

703
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.480
drugs doesn't mean she should have died that night. If

704
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:58.159
we do even go along with his story and the

705
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:02.000
person backing up his story, you didn't call nine one one,

706
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:04.920
You didn't put her in a car. You had a car,

707
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.119
you left in a car with another man. You did

708
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:12.039
not get help if my daughter was dying of a

709
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:16.119
drug overdose, and that's cruel. And she did not go

710
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.280
out that window, So either you kept her someplace else

711
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:24.320
and then when they came and sarved you why why

712
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.719
On the twenty ninth, when Denver police served a search

713
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:34.719
warrant inside of that office, Lakewood police were outside that office.

714
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:40.039
Nobody looked over the fence, nobody did a perimeter check.

715
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.559
That's crazy to me. Was she there the whole time?

716
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.039
All you would add to do is or look out

717
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.400
the dang window and you didn't see my daughter's decomposing body.

718
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:55.559
It's ridiculous. And if we go by that whole story,

719
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:58.800
she should have been found on the twenty ninth. That

720
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:05.199
is negligent. What I hear, this is my nightmare. Is

721
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:11.559
my daughter yelling stop, stop, help me, help me stop,

722
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:16.119
and it's in her voice. It's crazy. But I don't

723
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.239
know who killed her. I don't think it was drugs.

724
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:24.320
I think somebody killed her. I think that I will

725
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.000
never know the truth because there's too much lying. I

726
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.760
think that there's too many people. There was not a

727
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:37.360
proper investigation the Mama camp and people surrounded around the

728
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:40.360
Mama camp. I've been I've been threatened to be sued,

729
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.760
that somebody is going to sue me because I was

730
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:47.119
doing my own investigation on the side id PI the

731
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:51.679
second week of May, that nobody knew about who volunteered

732
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:56.159
the resources, and he is a CIS male, He's very

733
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:59.800
good at his job. We got a lot of information

734
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:07.199
and now since Mama has been indicted, I received CIS

735
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:12.440
Women's call that they had had terrible interactions with Brandon

736
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:18.599
Mama dating back fifteen years ago to present. He was

737
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:23.400
in trouble before Jack's went missing, he was in trouble

738
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:28.639
during Jack's going missing, and he committed lots of crimes

739
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:34.719
after they found Jack's body. Brandon Mama's outburst in court

740
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.559
stating that Jack said that she loved me. Do you

741
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:43.199
know Jack stated she loved me the night before? Well,

742
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.199
of course she did. She's an addict and you're probably

743
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:48.320
giving her drugs for sex. So is that love? No,

744
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:52.440
And my daughter told everyone that she loved him. One

745
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:57.800
of my favorite stories is Monroe who visited Jack's. They're

746
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.639
walking and there's a homeless guy. Jacks gets in her

747
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:06.119
purse and hands the guy at five dollars and shakes

748
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.159
the guy's hand and looks them in the eye. And

749
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.760
anybody who knew my daughter knows, I mean, this is

750
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:17.239
something she would do hundreds of times. And Monroe said

751
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.000
she told the homeless guy she loved them. She told

752
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.920
everybody she loved them. I don't know what kind of

753
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:30.199
flex Brandon Mama tried to state, but definitely there was

754
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.079
no relationship. I have screamed and yelled this to the

755
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:38.400
police and to the DA. The DA's answer was, you know,

756
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.639
I have a relationship with the investigator that was sitting

757
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:47.599
in a meeting. But I think when people say the media,

758
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:54.400
the DA, the police say it was a consensual sexual relationship. No,

759
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.840
he never took Jacks on a date. Jacks would probably

760
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:02.480
not be seen in public with Branda Mama because Brandon

761
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:05.360
Mama is not her type because he looks like a

762
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:09.079
drug If it walks, talks, acts like a drug dealer,

763
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:11.719
it is a drug dealer. That is not the person

764
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:18.159
past boyfriends that Jack's had. There you go, I'm not embarrassed.

765
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:22.159
My daughter had a problem, but she always pulled herself

766
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.280
out of it. She'd been to treatment three times. One

767
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.480
time they kicked her out because she was a transgender woman,

768
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:33.239
and she paid and somebody dropped her off in Colorado

769
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.440
Springs where this great treatment center was. She had a

770
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:40.840
great roommate in the beginning. Then that roommate left because

771
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.159
it was shared rooms. The next roommate that came in

772
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:49.360
did not like rooming with a transgender female. So instead

773
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.199
of getting Jack's a new roommate or giving Jax a

774
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:56.920
private room, they put her in like a camp setting

775
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:01.719
with the men. That was not good. So of course

776
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.760
my daughter stood up for herself. Went to the director

777
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.039
and said, this is not going to work. Jacks had

778
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:11.920
no money, no clothes because she was going into treatment.

779
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.920
She got a ride there from a friend. They gave

780
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:19.280
her a bus ticket at nine thirty at night in

781
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.119
Colorado Springs and took her to the bus station where

782
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:24.360
she had to wait for the next morning to take

783
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.360
a bus back to Denver to go to her house.

784
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.719
The first time she ever went to treatment, it was

785
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:37.199
for methanfetamine. She told me about it. I helped her.

786
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:41.039
She had to go to the Denver South the Hospital.

787
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:46.679
She did very good. She put herself into treatment because

788
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:52.159
she didn't like marijuana is legal, but for Jack's it

789
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.760
was it was not a good thing. So I think

790
00:53:54.800 --> 00:54:00.559
people need to realize that she was not a heroin addict. Yes,

791
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.840
she did do math at one point in her life.

792
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:07.639
I don't know what she was using now. I don't

793
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.960
know why she didn't call me. I don't know why.

794
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.519
I think I do know why because I couldn't help

795
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:19.360
her financially. I couldn't help her I had gone through cancer.

796
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:24.320
And then in December, since I hadn't worked for two years,

797
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.920
she needed to move out of her apartment. And she

798
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.599
needed me to co sign for her. They would not

799
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.840
take my co sign because I didn't have I didn't

800
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:39.199
have any income. That was awful. Jax had money to

801
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:42.920
move in, wanted to move into this special place, but

802
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:49.639
she needed a co signer before the autopsy came back.

803
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:54.400
Before anything came back, Lakewood police came at me and

804
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:58.559
said it was a person from her community. It's no

805
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:05.159
hate crime, and she overdosed, she willingly took GHB, and

806
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:11.480
she willingly had consensual sex. I said, okay, a member

807
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:15.960
of her community. Was it a hairdresser, a transgender male,

808
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:20.960
gay mail? And they said, well, we have proof she

809
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.840
had sex with them. And I said, okay, so what

810
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:28.679
are you telling me And they said, well, he's from

811
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.880
her community. And I said, listen, this is awful. My

812
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:39.639
daughter has had relationships, like long relationships with heterosexual male

813
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:45.480
that claimed they're not gay, because my daughter turned herself

814
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:50.960
into a unicorn, which is very sought after the heterosexual

815
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.920
married couples. So you can't tell me that the person

816
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:59.519
is part of her LGBTQ community. You can just tell well,

817
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:01.440
he's got to be gay. He had sex with her.

818
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.440
That's not That's not the case. Some yeah, it's it

819
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:11.280
does not make somebody gay because they had sex with

820
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:14.800
my daughter and there's all different ways to have sex,

821
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:19.239
and they didn't understand that. They couldn't understand why I

822
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.960
was offended or why I questioned them. The other thing

823
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:29.400
is it's just yeah, yeah. Denver Police Detective Bennet was

824
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:35.000
absolutely fabulous with me. I could tell him everything anything.

825
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.519
He did not want me to share. Like I knew

826
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:41.880
the ping. I think I reported her on Wednesday. He

827
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.599
called me back on Thursday. He had a ping on

828
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:48.280
Saturday and told me do not tell anybody. And I

829
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:50.519
got a lot of heat for that because people were like,

830
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:53.079
you're not doing enough. You know, they can ping her phone.

831
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:57.199
I knew Denver already had the ping. I knew they

832
00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:59.719
already had it, but I was told not to say

833
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:04.639
any thing. And then Lakewood from the gig Go was

834
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:08.599
just they would tell me stuff and never I mean

835
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:12.000
something like that. Did they ever tell me this is

836
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.559
not to be shared. No, they told me that and

837
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:18.039
then got off the phone. And then I went, this

838
00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:21.039
is wrong. This is I mean, they don't know what

839
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.519
the heck they're talking about.

840
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:26.000
Let me go ahead and I'm going to ask you

841
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:30.280
one more question, is there anything we or our listeners

842
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.920
can do to help find justice for Jacks.

843
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:36.320
I hope so. Now a lot of people think that

844
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.960
justice for Jacks came from the advocate that I had

845
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.280
to find on my own. Justice for Jacks came from me.

846
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:48.679
Once I started reporting on Jack's case. I had absolutely

847
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.639
no idea that families, and this is ignorant of me

848
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:57.840
to say this, I had no idea that transgender women

849
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:03.239
were being raped at not being reported successfully, or they

850
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:06.840
were afraid of the police, or they were told you're transgender,

851
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:11.000
you can't be raped. I also didn't know that transgender

852
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:13.840
teenagers a lot of times are kicked out of their

853
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:17.519
homes and left on the street. The community has to

854
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.000
take care of them. To me, that was shocking because

855
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:26.239
I raised my children. I have police officers, I have detectives,

856
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.480
I have CSI people that have been friends with me

857
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:33.440
my whole entire life that I respected. They didn't talk

858
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:37.440
about their case outside their cases outside of work. They

859
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:42.840
never demeaned a family or a transgender person or a

860
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:46.719
gay person. And I taught my children if you're in

861
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:50.000
if there's a problem, you go to the police. And

862
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:54.480
then finding this out, I was shocked, and I so

863
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:59.599
humiliated by the corner and then Lakewood police and talk

864
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:02.880
like I was not a person because I had just

865
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:07.039
spent fifty two days until they found Jack's body opening

866
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:11.920
up every single message on Facebook. I was told that

867
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.440
I should die. I was told I should have had

868
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:18.599
an abortion because they would go through my Facebook and

869
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:24.679
see that I'm for women's rights I received after Jack's

870
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:28.199
was found dead and the corner reached out to someone

871
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:31.519
else asking about her next surgeries, which she never had

872
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:36.880
any neck surgeries. I then started receiving a cartoon character

873
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.480
of Jack's Justice for Jacks, the little pin that we

874
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:43.840
had made that was hand drawn with a noose around

875
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:49.079
her neck, and then a lot of off colored transgender

876
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:53.920
jokes I still to this day. So Jacks went missing

877
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:59.679
April fifteenth, was dead by April sixteenth. I received I

878
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:05.239
would say, over fifty people stating that she was an

879
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:09.960
habitual drug user. Why am I still doing this? I'm

880
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:14.800
taking resources from people that really need it. Yes, my daughter.

881
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:18.199
I mean any parent of an addict or a person

882
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.159
you know there's alcohol. You send your children to treatment

883
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.800
each and every time, and you and they're good people.

884
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:29.440
They are addicted to something. I've never been addicted to anything.

885
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:31.840
I've never had a sponsor, I've never gone to rehab.

886
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:36.000
I don't drink. I don't know how it feels to

887
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:40.159
be an addict, but I support my child. But Jacks

888
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:44.800
ran a successful business. She was not a drug addict

889
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:49.679
for you know, ten years she went into treatment her

890
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:53.239
first time that she tried hard drugs. I'm sure that

891
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:56.840
she smoked pot early on in her life, but now

892
01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:01.239
pot's legal, so you know, don't come at me for that.

893
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:06.800
I've never seen Jack's drink my whole life, even as

894
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.719
a teenager, I never saw Jack's drink alcohol.

895
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:14.000
I just wanted to say it's not uncommon for members

896
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:18.800
of the LGBTQ to be addicted to substance. It's very

897
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:19.559
very common.

898
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:26.079
Yeah, I agree, I agree. I think Jack struggle every day.

899
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:28.800
Find justice for Jackson.

900
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.480
Make sure that, bro, How can we find justice? I

901
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:37.320
think just showing up and speaking out and not believing

902
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:41.960
the narrative of Branda Mama or anyone else that are

903
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.679
saying they were in a consensual relationship. Randon Mama was

904
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:50.880
a drug dealer, Jack's was a client. I think writing letters.

905
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:57.599
I still Lakewood City Council voted to make independent oversight

906
01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:01.119
of Lakewood police, but then to find out it was

907
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:05.119
actually the police who had written it through the city manager.

908
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.880
So what are we going to What's going to happen there?

909
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.000
But justice for Jacks is just showing up and really

910
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:17.920
being kind to everyone is justice for Jacks, and not judging.

911
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:20.280
Not judging is justice for Jack.

912
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:24.880
Thank you, Charlyn. I love that so much. So with

913
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:28.960
what Sherilyn shared with us, I of course have thoughts,

914
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:34.079
especially based on what the autopsy report shared about Jack's

915
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.920
having a broken clavicle. The clavical connects the shoulder to

916
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:42.559
the sternum or the breastbone, and with the broken hyoid bone,

917
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:44.719
which is a U shaped bone in the neck that

918
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:49.119
holds her tongue in place. Hyoid bones are traditionally broken

919
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:53.800
during strangulation or trauma. My belief is that Jacks was

920
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.280
most likely subdued by some sort of drug that Brandon,

921
01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:01.639
her dealer, gave to her, and then Brandon strangled Jax

922
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:05.320
during sex. Brandon and his friends said that she was

923
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.960
still alive when they left, but I don't think so.

924
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.400
I'm not even sure if Jax was still alive when

925
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:16.480
Brandon's friend showed up. I believe Brandon killed Jacks panicked

926
01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:20.320
called his friend to help clean up what he had done. Together,

927
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.440
the men rolled Jax out the office window to the

928
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:27.639
ground below. Possibly her clavicle broke on the way down

929
01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:31.679
when it hit the air conditioner unit. Now remember this

930
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:35.719
is just my theory based on the autopsy report. Maybe

931
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:38.239
I just watched too many cop shows and I shouldn't

932
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:41.079
throw my opinion out there, but that's all it is

933
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:45.719
my opinion. What's your opinion? What do you think happened

934
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:49.800
to Jax that night on April fifteenth? Thank you all

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so much for joining me CJ and Courtney and Cherylynn

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for this very important episode of Jack Scratton. As Cherylyne expressed,

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just as for Jacks is being kind to each other,

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so please be kind.

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Another page closed. But the story isn't over for the

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families left behind. The pain doesn't end when the headline stade.

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And for the victims, we owe them more than silence

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for our on solved cases. If you have any information,

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please reach out to local authorities or visit our show

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notes for links and resources. Someone out there knows something,

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maybe it's you. Thank you for listening to the Book

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of the dead. If this story moved or spoke to

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you in some way, talk about it, share it, keep

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their names alive. Until next time, I'm Courtney Liso. Stay safe,

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stay curious, and stay vigilant. And remember the dead may

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be gone, but their stories will not be forgotten.

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