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Every story has a beginning, but not everyone has an ending.
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In the shadows of headlines and buried police reports lay
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the voices of the missing, the murdered, and the forgotten,
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waiting to be heard and have their stories told. This
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is The Book of the Dead, a true crime podcast
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where we remember forgotten victims of heinous crimes, reopen cold cases,
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re visit haunting disappearances, and uncover the truths buried beneath
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the years of silence. I'm your host, Courtney Liso, and
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every week we turn to another chapter, one victim, one mystery,
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one step closer to justice. Brought to you by Darkast
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High Book of the Dead listeners. I'm CJ host of
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Rainbow Crimes formerly known as Beyond the Rainbow, True Crimes
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of the LGBTQ. Courtney, your talented host and fellow member
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of Dark Cast Network, was gracious enough to help me
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out with this case as it's been one I've wanted
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to cover since November of last year. It's a fairly
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recent case, with the victim dying in April of twenty
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twenty five. With that being said, let me tell you
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a little about what I know of the case, and
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at the end, Courtney and I will share an interview
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we had with the victim's mom. Chary Lynn. Thirty four
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year old Jack Scratton was a Denver, Colorado hairstylist. Jacks
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was proudly a trans woman. Jackson was seen leaving her
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apartment Inver on April fifteenth, twenty twenty five. This was
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around ten pm after telling her roommate she'd be back
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in three hours. Her apartment surveillance camera cut footage of
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Jack's leaving with a man. This man is said to
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have been having a consensual sexual relationship with Jacks. That
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man is forty four year old Brandon David Mama, although
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Jack's mom has disputed the claim that Jackson and Brandon
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were intimately involved and that was the last time JACKX
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was seen alive. Hours went by and Jackson returned home
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to her roommate. Days went by and no sign of
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Jack's shary Lynn lives in a different state than Jack's,
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so their contact was mostly made via texts, phone calls,
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and FaceTime. On Easter Sunday, April twentieth, shary Lynn was
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anxiously awaiting a call from Jacks, but that call would
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never materialize. A friend of Jackson's also contacted Sherlynn for
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they too feared something was wrong. Shrolyn was under the
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assumption that Jackson's roommate had filed a missing persons report
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with the Denver Police. Unfortunately, that had not come to
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fruition and there was no official report on file, although
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the roommate had called the Denver police. On April twenty fourth,
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Charlyn made an official missing persons report for Jacks with
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the Denver Police Department. Friends and family created flyers and
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posters that were stapled upon utility posts in storefronts and
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passed out to the citizens of Denver, but nothing and
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no one came forward. Still, weeks, months were going by
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without any contact or sightings of Jacks. As for the weather,
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May was exceptionally rainy for that time of year in
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the Denver area. Now we bring in the Lakewood Police Department.
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Meant Lakewood is a suburb adjacent to Denver. Lakewood Police
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was brought in because phone records showed Jackson's phone had
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pinged in an office building in Lakewood. On May twenty ninth,
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Lakewood Police went to the site of Jackson's phone's last
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ping and they searched an office space there on the
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second floor. At least they said they searched it, and
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they found nothing. I do have doubts about the quality
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of their investigation due to what I'm about to tell
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you next. By June, the weather was beginning to warm up.
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Residents at a building in Lakewood, the same building Lakewood
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Police supposedly investigated, were complaining about a followed or coming
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from somewhere, but they couldn't identify where. On June sixth,
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the owner of the property did a sweep of the
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building in its grounds, searching for what was creating the
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toxic smell. He finally opened up a lock gate between
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his building in another building that contained a narrow, four
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foot wide alleyway, and he proceeded into the alleyway. This
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is where Jack's remains would be discovered. Lakewood police were
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again called to investigate. You know, had they just looked
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out the damn window on May twenty ninth, they wouldn't
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have been called back. Apparently, on this visit, the office furniture,
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including a futon, was no longer in the office space,
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and this destroyed any evidence that could have potentially told
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the real story of what happened the night of April fifteenth,
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twenty twenty five. Through her own investigated powers that be,
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Cheryl Lynn was able to find the name of the
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last people to see her daughter alive. Still, Lakewood Police
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didn't seem to be doing much about it. Lakewood Police's
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detective work was pretty lackluster from the start. On March
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eleventh of the day, twenty twenty six, the forty four
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year old man branded David Mama, with whom Jacks was
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last seen leaving her apartment with, was arrested by the
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Blue River Police Department in Colorado. Blue River is located
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about eighty five miles southwest of Denver. He was charged
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with one count of tampering with evidence and one count
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of tampering with a deceased human body. But this guy,
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he has a long ass wrap sheet his former crimes,
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and some of them that weren't too old, look like this.
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Fleeing or attempting to elude officers, flight to avoid trial
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or punishment, possession and use of drug paraphernalia, reckless driving,
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failure to yield to an emergency vehicle, another fleeing or
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eluding officers, disrespecting a judge, theft, possession of drugs, another
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possession and use of drug paraphernala a dui. Another disrespect
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of a judge, stalking, harassment, loitering and prowling at night,
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another harassment charge, and yet another harassment charge. Nine more
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stalking charges, three terrorist threats, seven more harassment charges, another
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terrorist threat, resisting arrest, vandalism, and four more DUIs. I'm
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exhausted just trying to name all of his crimes. According
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to Brandon's grand jury indictment, Jackson Brandon had known each
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other for a couple of years. Brandon had brought Jacks
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back to his office space, which was located at ninety
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six fifty five West Colfax Avenue in Lakewood. This would
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have been at ten forty one pm on April fifteenth,
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twenty twenty five. During their time spent in the two
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story office space, Jax would overdose on GHB or gamma
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hydroxy butyrate. This is a highly potent drug and considered
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a date reaped drug. Now, remember this is what is
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in Brandon's grand jury indictment. According to Brandon, but we
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all know criminals aren't always fourthright about the truth. Also,
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according to the indictment, a male friend of Brandon's would
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arrive at the office space at twelve fifteen a m.
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Jax was so high on who knows what, possibly GHB,
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maybe something else, only wanted to sleep and did so
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on the futon that was in the office space. According
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to both Brandon and the male friend, Jax began to vomit,
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so Brandon and the friend rolled Jacks on to her
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side and they left. The surveillance footage on the building
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of the office space shows the friend and Brandon leaving
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the building and leaving Jacks unattended at one forty three am. Sadly,
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we don't know if Jax was still alive at this
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time or not. No one else was seen entering or
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exiting the unit until five point fifty five am, and
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this is when Brandon returned. Brandon remained inside the unit
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until six fifty seven am, so a little over an hour,
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at which point he went and moved his vehicle to
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the north side of the building. He went back inside,
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and he returned with some black trash bags which he
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disposed into a dumpster. Brandon then drove away from the building.
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Brandon was questioned by police the day they searched the
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office unit. He told law enforcement. He had collected a
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few of Jack's things to return to her. At another time,
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he acknowledged he thought Jax might have been overdosing on
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drugs and he should have called nine to one one
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instead of leaving her after she vomited. He admitted to
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authorities he knew she was concer or a missing person,
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but he never came forward with any information. His admissions
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are contradicting. For sure, he gathered her belongings to give
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to her at a later date, yet he knew she
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was considered a missing person ge have rap Brandon. According
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to the District Attorney's office, none of Jack's belongings or
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her cell phone have ever been located to this day,
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although her phone ping near the office space at ten
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twenty two pm. Much later, her phone ping near Jackson's home,
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which means it had to have been moved by someone.
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Jackson's body had been found wearing the exact same clothing
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that she had been in when she left her apartment
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on April fifteenth, with the exception of Jack's not wearing
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any shoes and possibly not a shirt. A great to
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an air conditioning unit was covering her lower body. The
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AC unit with the missing grate had a sub substantial
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dent in it. This is where Jackson's remains would be discovered,
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directly under a window to brandon Mama's second story office.
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Later in June, after Jackson's body had been found, law
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enforcement conducted another search of the office space. There was
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a three panel window there. The middle panel did not open,
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but one of the side panels had a bent and
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partially askewed screen over it. This was something Lakewood police
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failed to find when they first looked over the office.
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When questioned about the windows screen, Brandon offered that he
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and Jax had talked about crawling through a window to
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the other building's roof to go smoke. He suggested maybe
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she tried to do this when he was gone and
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she had fallen. However, there was no lighter, no cigarettes
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found near Jackson's body, and according to all those who
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knew her, Jax didn't smoke cigarettes. The crime scene unit
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took the air conditioner panel back to look for fingerprints
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in DNA. There were zero fingerprintter DNA found that belonged
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to Jacks. The indictment alleges Brandon Honor about April sixteenth,
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twenty twenty five, shoved Jacks's body through the window. He
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also disposed of her personal belongings, all to avoid detection
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by police. Brandon is currently being held on one hundred
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thousand dollars cash only bond, and his legal proceedings are
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at their early stages. While the investigators believe Brandon was
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the last person seen with Jacks, and Jacks was very
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much alive when entering Brandon's office building, Brandon has yet
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to be charged with murder. He has requested a change
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of venue, feeling that media in the area has tainted
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his ability to get a fair trial. As of this recording,
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Brandon has not been approved or denied the venue change. Now,
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Courtney and I would love to introduce you to sh
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Carolynn Jack Scratton's mom. Hi there, Thank you so much
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for meeting Courtney and I and discussing your sweet Jack's
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with us. When did Jacks come out as a trans woman?
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Twenty sixteen? It was very very simple. She had done
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tons of editorials, hair and makeup done he fashion week,
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and she flew into Moscow, Idaho. We went to my
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daughter's horse lesson, which was about twenty minutes away. We
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were sitting on the bench watching Monroe ride her horse,
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and she said, ma, And I said, what did you do?
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Jacks never expecting because she always kept me guessing. And
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she pulled out a medicine bottle of hormones and said,
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I'm going to transition into a woman. And I said, well,
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that's great, wonderful. Monroe finished with their lesson and the
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twenty minute ride home, she explained to Monroe was eight
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nine or ten at the time, explained to her what
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was going on. And from that point on she had
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a sister and she was tickle pink. Monroe has never missgendered.
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Jack's never messed up with Jack's name. And then my
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daughter was female. She started showing me pictures of her
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boobs growing, and she was very upset because she was lopsided.
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And I said, you know, seventy five percent of women
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have lopsided boob, so you can't be perfect. I tried
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to talk her out of the enlargement processes all along
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the way because I don't believe in surgery. Surgeries are risky.
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I worked in Vegas for twenty years, knew a lot
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of cotail waitresses, knew a lot of dealers. A lot
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of my friends had boob jobs, and a lot. I
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took care of a lot of people that had boob
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jobs and had to the draining process. Some people would
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get infected, and that was terribly painful and cruel for
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a woman. So I always tried to talk her out
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of all of her surgeries, but she was always persistent.
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She always raised enough money, she always took time off work,
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she always had everything taken care of.
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So yeah, so Jacks went through with the boob surgery. Yes,
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and she ended up having to have it three different times.
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Oh no, the first time she got him too big.
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The second time they'd left a staple in her chest,
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and so hence they had to go back and get
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the staple out and they fixed them.
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So they were absolutely perfect. She was very proud of
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her boobs.
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Oh that's awesome.
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But the thing with Jack's was she was born that way.
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I have a picture of her dressing up. Her transition
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was not was not tough, was not difficult, was not anything.
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When she told me she was gay at fourteen years old, okay,
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it was no big deal. Sick Freed and Roy, who
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were friends of mine in Las Vegas, told me that
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Jack's was gay when we went over to see their tigers,
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when she was five. So you know that about your child.
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Someone told me that to be a transgender parent, you
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have to grieve the loss of your child. You're so
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in Jack's case, you had to grieve the loss of
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my son, and then you have to celebrate the rebirth
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of Jack's my daughter. Jacks's personality didn't change at all.
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Jack's what she did, what she loved. There was never
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even a gray line. It was black and white. This
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is Jack's, this is Jack's as my son, and this
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is Jacks as my daughter. And that they're exactly the same,
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except for one has boobs. Their personality everything nobody questioned.
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Nobody questioned Jack's at all.
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Well, I want to know if you have one special
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memory of Jacks that you'd like to share with us.
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I have hundreds, you could pick one. What would it be?
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Mine would be We had to move to Moscow, Idaho,
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from Las Vegas, Nevada, because I had gotten sick for
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the first time. Jacks was I think eleven at the time,
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and in Las Vegas he had a lot of Jewish girlfriends,
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friends that were Jewish, and so he wanted to be
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Jewish because his dad's uncle was Jewish. Uncle Alan Aunt
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Dottie and went to Batmansvah's. I always had the best gift.
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But we moved to Moscow, Idaho, and my mother was
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real big in all the church scenes. She had played
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organ in the Catholic church. She also studied Catechism. She
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also studied the Book of Mormage, and she also played
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the piano at the Methodist church. So Jack's the only
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private school in Moscow, Idaho at the time was the
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Catholic school, so I enrolled my boys into public school.
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Jacks went to his Grammy pat and said, I want
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to go to the Catholic school. Papa Jax and Grammy
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Maryland were raised Catholic, so that's what I want to do.
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So we walked in. My mother made an appointment with
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Sister Mary Katherine or Mary Margaret, who is still alive,
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and we had this meeting and she asked Jacks about
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her faith and Jack Jax spoke up and said, you know,
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actually I'm Jewish, and my mother just about fell off
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of her seat. But Jacks was then enrolled. He got
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a little scholar she got little scholarship, and then my
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mother paid the other so she went to private school.
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I think it was the second day that she was there.
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She told us at breakfast that we needed to come
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to the morning mass, and the kids walked over from
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the school to the church and there was my daughter
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walking up and she gave the morning recognition and the
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morning ceremony for all the kids, and she it was
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her second day into school, which absolutely crazy to me
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that she had it memorized. She didn't mess up on
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any of the words, and she got up in front
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of all the whole community who went to eight o'clock
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or nine o'clock, whatever time it was. And my mother
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was very, very impressed with my daughter at that time,
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which was wonderful because from that school too, she also
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started playing the saxophone. She made lifelong friends at that school,
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and she only attended Saint Mary's for I think a
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year and a half the time I was in Moscow.
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So that is one of my favorite stories of the
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hundreds I have.
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I love that. Thank you for sharing that. Okay, So
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I would like to get into the case a little
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bit now. Resources that I've read state that you don't
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believe Jack's was in an intimate relationship with Brandon David. Mama.
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Has that believe changed?
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Absolutely not branded David Mama was Jack's drug dealer. They
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met online. This is fact. I don't know why people
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are trying to say it's a boyfriend and girlfriend thing.
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I know that in the last around three years, Brandon
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Mama had relations, which relations I'm saying sex six times
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with my daughter Jack's. I know that Jack's had problems
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with substance abuse, but always put herself into treatment. I
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know that Jacks went on a dating site when she
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had slipped, and a transgender site where everybody knew she
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was transgender. There's pictures of her and asking for anybody
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with drugs, drugs for sex. That is how she met
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Brandon Mama. It was never boyfriend girlfriend. In those three years,
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they went months without talking, and if you know anything
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about addiction and slipping, those encounters could have been two
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or three in a week's time for drugs. But Jack's
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always pulled herself out of it. I did not know
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about this last time that she was struggling. Usually she
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would call me, but unfortunately she died. I can guarantee
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you she did not die of a drug overdose because
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the corner Lakewood Police, everybody involved. If there was one
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ounce that they could prove that it was a drug overdose.
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They would have because when it was given to me,
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first of all, they told me that people had given
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them tips that she had overdosed and she was using
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I think heroin. The first thing is Jacks did not
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even take her hormones with a needle because she from
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the very young age, hated needles. People got back to
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me that she had to have her surgeries with that
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she wanted. They had to sedate her orally before they
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could even start an IV. My daughter did not stick
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a needle in her arm. Ever, So when Lakewood police said, well,
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we have tips that she was using narcotics, you know,
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shooting them in her arm, that never happened. If anything
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got shot into her arm, it was not her. She
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physically could not do that. She hated needles.
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So that would lead me to ask, you have you
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seen the autopsy report.
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I have the autopsy report. I'd be happy to give
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it to you.
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Could you tell me what the official cause of death was?
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Undetermined?
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Oh I love when.
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They put that undetermined. Okay, but she had for almost
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a year. Everybody came at me that she jumps, fell
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or was pushed out brand of Mamma's side window. So
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JACKX is not going to jump out a window into
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a dark alley with no shoes on, no shirt, no
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glasses because she couldn't see. She has very very near sighted.
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She didn't she left her house with glasses on. She
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did not take her contact with She afraid of height,
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afraid of the dark. There is no state of mind
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where she would have jumped out of that window. If
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somebody was attacking her, she would have fought instead of
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going out a window, which in the indictment there was
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no fingerprints, no hair residue, no anything of Jack's on
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that window. Granted it, they didn't take it out until
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fifty two days later, but she didn't go out that window.
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So broken hyoid bone in her neck on the right side,
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broken clavicle, and ribs that were not broken. And I
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don't have the autopsy in front of me because I'm
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at the lake. Worries that they were not broken, but
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there was injury to her ribs. With that being said,
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down below and I have the pictures down below the
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window there's an air conditioning and everybody, even people that
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are positive to the case, said Sherry. She probably went
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out that window and hit that air conditioning. Unit because
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it's dented on top. Okay, if that's the case, why
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did lake Would police not take that to the lab
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and go through it, take it apart, see if there's
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any trace of Jack's on it. Why didn't they do that?
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If now you're telling me she jumped Fellow was pushed
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out that window, why wouldn't you take a dented cylinder
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square cylinder if you think that that might have caused harm?
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Because it didn't. She was dead before she was placed
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in that alley. Did she die of an overdose? I
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don't think so. Did somebody harm her? I think so.
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They say that there was no defensive wounds, that she
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was trying to fight somebody. They told me. That told
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me that, And how new DNA evidence was released in
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December or it wasn't released to the public, But I
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was told by Lakewood police that they have new evidence.
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In my research, if they have new evidence that came
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from either underneath her fingernails or in her mouth, they
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already have brand of Mama's DNA. So this is coming
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from another source, which I said all along. I don't
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know about the person who went to the grand jury.
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I can't say his name because the DA asked me
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not to. He should be If Brandon Mama's story is
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that he left her and she had overdosed, the person
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that is backing up Brandon Mama's story should be charged. Also.
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They both left somebody supposedly throwing up, knowing that she
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did drugs. One of the statements that the police told
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me was that she woke up, started throwing up, and
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started screaming at the two men to lead the office.
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They were such gentlemen. They turned her on this side
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and left, but did not call the police, did not
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call the ambulance. That's why my thought. In Colorado, the
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state law is you can't be punished if you report
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an overdose. And these guys would know that one's a
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drug dealer, the other one I don't know much about.
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Going back to.
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The autopsy report, were there any signs of track marks?
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No, well, she was decomposed for fifty two days, but
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absolutely not. And she showed her arms, her feet, her
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toes on a daily basis. She wore a lot of
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sleeveless shirts because she was proud of her arms, and
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she had beautiful tattoos.
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I wanted to follow up on what the asopsy report said.
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I'm a little confused as to the ondetermined cause of
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death because you mentioned the brook a bone, you mentioned
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the broken clavicle. That's indicative of some sort of assault,
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you know, you mentioned, well, she didn't have any defensive wounds,
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that's what they're saying. But she was confirmed to have
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been under the effects of GHB and then at least
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according to the Denver I the toxicology reports found methemputomine, THHC,
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sidle apram, and trasidone in her system. So if she
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has this in her system, of course she's not going
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to fight back. I mean, they Brandon Mama's claiming she's overdosing,
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so there's she wouldn't fight back. So I'm a little
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confused as to the undetermined cause of death. I don't
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I don't understand why that is their line of thinking
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in that regard.
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Right, And I have to say Jackson had a pelvic kidney, okay,
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so any drugs in her system, I would hope that
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they would have taken hair samples, because then you can
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see how long she had been using drugs, what drugs
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she had been using. She also used adderall twice a day.
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She took it in the morning and at night, the
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levels of those drugs in her system would change beings
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when she died. There's a huge discussion that adderall all
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can test positive of meth amphetamine. I honestly believe that
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if you look at the drugs that were in her
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system and what she tested positive for, if it was
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a drug overdose, they would have called it a drug
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overdose period, end of story. I think they wanted me
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to call it a drug overdose, and I wanted proof.
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They did not give me proof. At no time do
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they say adderall or anything like that. She had a
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prescription for adderall. I know she took it twice a day,
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morning and night, and if she was leaving her house
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at ten o'clock, I'm sure she would have taken her
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last dose sometime around there. So there you go. The
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other thing as far as the GHB, GHB is a
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natural and incurrence. When you die, your body produces and
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as you decompose, produces GHB. A lot of people don't
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know that, but it does.
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Jack. When Jacques initially disappeared on April fifteenth, or that
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was the last day she'd been seen, and during the
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course of her being missing, you know what was that
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search like for you as her mother, and what were
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some of the hurdles you had to jump through to
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try and get results.
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I had to trust in people I'd never met. People
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came to stories with me that now I know who
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they are, But there actually were people that inserted themselves
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into Jack's case that Jack's was her mentor they never
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met Jack's I had to put trust in people. I
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believed in people. People were so very helpful. I find
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a lot of the people that showed up afterwards that
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never met Jacks. It was scary as heck. I never
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ever expected this to happen. Ever, my daughter shared way
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too much with me, so searching for Jacks was horrifying.
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It was my daughter's first year in college, my youngest daughter,
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and that was very, very tough. Jack's two brothers were
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having a very hard time. Dana is only a year
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and a day younger than Jack's. They were raised pretty
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much like twins. I talked to Jack's on a FaceTime
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April eleventh and asked her how things were going. She
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was beautiful, fold face, some makeup, her hair was done.
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She was rushing to the post office before she went
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to the salon, and she said, Mom, I'm just super,
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super busy. I'm taking this class. I'm really gonna change
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get my business going. I didn't even think of checking
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up on her. Easter was coming. Easter was a big
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day for us, and that was okay, I'll talk to
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you on Easter. Okay, great Easter morning came and she
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used to she's a holiday girl and would call everybody
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and sing little Bunny fufoo because it's a big joke
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in my family because little bunny foof foo, it's really
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when you sing it, it can be horrifying, bopping the
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field nice on the head. And I did my regular
477
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.720
Instagram Happy Easter post everybody, and I hadn't heard from Jacks.
478
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:56.319
Went on without my day. I'm a caregiver, so once
479
00:32:56.359 --> 00:33:00.200
Annie got up, took care of her, and then when
480
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.400
she was eating her breakfast, I called Jack's again, called
481
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.880
my other kids and wished him a happy Easter and
482
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:10.319
thought this is really strange, but didn't. I wasn't alarmed
483
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:15.440
alarmed because sometimes, like on Thanksgiving, she goes to a
484
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.119
lot of people friendsgiving and shell if she made food
485
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:24.240
or whatever, she shows me the trays, and one Thanksgiving
486
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.039
I think she had three different friendsgivings to go to.
487
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:32.200
She ate Thanksgiving dinner three different times, which was total Jacks.
488
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.319
And it wasn't until later in the evening and when
489
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.720
I didn't hear anything, didn't hear anything, I called my
490
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.640
ex husband and he hadn't heard anything, and none of
491
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:45.240
my kids had hurt anything. Couldn't sleep that night and
492
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.039
was on my phone and saw that Pope Francis had
493
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:52.079
died the morning right after Easter. So I just knew
494
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:57.920
that Jacks was horrified because Pope Francis was Jack's rockstar,
495
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:04.000
constantly sending me stuff about what Pope Francis did. Really
496
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:08.719
felt accepted by the Catholic Church because of Pope Francis
497
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:14.519
and nothing. So that was Monday. Called my ex husband
498
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:19.639
again and was like, do you have friends in Denver still?
499
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.280
Because we had a bar in a restaurant in Denver,
500
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.679
and so he got a hold of his buddy. I
501
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:31.079
started calling Jack's shop. I didn't know Brandy at that time.
502
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:35.000
I left a message. I booked an appointment through Jack's
503
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:40.360
online thing. And in November, Jax had lost her phone,
504
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.320
so I was hoping that was the case that she
505
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:48.920
lost her phone because that was a big deal losing
506
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.119
your phone, getting your phone back, and it was Easter Sunday,
507
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:56.400
so I could see this happening. So then Mike knew
508
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:01.320
how to check for jails. I started calling and hospitals,
509
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:09.079
I started calling corners, I started calling treatment centers. And
510
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.920
you have to realize anytime Jackson went into treatment, she
511
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.400
had to plan it out because she didn't have insurance.51200:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.360
She had to plan it out. She had to fix51300:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.880
her books to make sure that her clients were taken51400:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.239
care of. In her purse. I have her purse because51500:35:26.280 --> 00:35:31.360
I knew. I know that she wasn't using money for drugs,51600:35:31.400 --> 00:35:34.559
because I have her credit cards, I have her ID.51700:35:35.400 --> 00:35:39.760
I have her purse with a purple alcohol anonymous thing51800:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.559
or knarking whatever, and another one. And the purple one51900:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.599
I know is very important to her because she would52000:35:46.599 --> 00:35:50.559
FaceTime me and we'd be talking, and she carried that52100:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.559
medallion on her a lot. It was like her lucky charm,52200:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.039
and she'd take it out and kiss it and say goodbye, mom,52300:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.000
you know. And that was in her purse. But there52400:36:01.079 --> 00:36:06.199
was a check that somebody had been to her salon52500:36:07.199 --> 00:36:11.119
and Jax had signed the back and probably automatically put52600:36:11.159 --> 00:36:14.199
it in her account. I got a hold of the52700:36:14.320 --> 00:36:18.039
lady and she said Jax was not using I have52800:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.679
been a client of Jack's since she was in beauty school,52900:36:21.719 --> 00:36:27.360
and I followed her and JACKX has always this woman53000:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.679
gets her hair done every six weeks. So Jax would53100:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.159
call her and let her know that if she was53200:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.960
going into treatment or if she was having surgery, to say,53300:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.599
I'm going in to treatment, I've been having a hard time.53400:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.719
I'm going to be gone this amount of time. Would53500:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.559
you like a haircut before I go in? Or are53600:36:48.639 --> 00:36:52.400
you good? And the lady would say, oh, you know,53700:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.280
put me in before you go. And that was with53800:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.880
surgeries too, because she took off a lot of time53900:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.960
with surgery.54000:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.480
You went through, you know, in the search for her,54100:37:02.880 --> 00:37:05.800
and I guess to kind of piggyback off of that,54200:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.039
you there was a lot of issues that you had54300:37:09.079 --> 00:37:13.599
to content with with the Coroner's office and the Lakewood Police,54400:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.079
you know, including alleged misgendering and dead naming of Jack's54500:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.559
you know, how did that impact the investigation and you know,54600:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.280
subsequently your grieving process for them to you know, have54700:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.000
this blatant disrespect.54800:37:26.800 --> 00:37:31.920
I dill, I know have not grieved I have suffered PTSD.54900:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.920
I have tripped over Jack's body in the middle of55000:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.000
the night, when I've gotten up, when my client has55100:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.599
called and needed help to the restroom. I have smelled55200:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.960
Jack's decomposing body. I went to visit my daughter Monroe55300:37:46.000 --> 00:37:50.480
in Missouri over Christmas, and she was taking care of55400:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.840
a dog and I could see from her dorm room55500:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.119
where the puppy, where the dog thing was. And she55600:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.360
called me and said, watch this, watch Koda. And I55700:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.599
looked at the window and I saw my daughter's decomposed55800:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.119
body with no eyes and no with their hair still55900:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.800
pulled back. And it took me probably twenty five seconds56000:38:12.880 --> 00:38:17.280
because my first inclination was to save Monroe, who was56100:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.039
down with her dog. It wasn't It's not I didn't56200:38:21.079 --> 00:38:25.360
see that, but in my head it was just trauma.56300:38:26.079 --> 00:38:30.599
Because I'd been fighting all through December with information, trying56400:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.760
to get information from the detectives. It's been awful, I56500:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.960
do have to say now that I think about it.56600:38:38.639 --> 00:38:44.920
So this little group of Jack's warriors to give perfect56700:38:44.960 --> 00:38:49.280
strangers and Jack's good friend Kaylee, who Kaylee was a56800:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.719
student of Jack's. I was on the internet twenty four56900:38:52.760 --> 00:38:56.519
to seven we would get tips in real time and57000:38:56.639 --> 00:39:01.119
be able to get a hold of somebody that's said, hey,57100:39:01.320 --> 00:39:05.199
can you verify that this is not Jack's or this57200:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.960
is Jack's. We were able to do that in real time,57300:39:09.440 --> 00:39:12.760
hours and a lot of times days before the Denver57400:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.519
police could, just because of the network, and there were57500:39:16.639 --> 00:39:21.119
so many helpers, so many people turned in tips. The57600:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.519
bad thing was is they reported her with red hair.57700:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.719
I watched so much video and saw so many pictures57800:39:30.840 --> 00:39:35.159
of women with red hair, sis women, transgender women. If57900:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.559
you had red hair, I know who you are. But58000:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.880
we were able to do that. And that's the other58100:39:39.960 --> 00:39:44.519
thing that there's people in Jack's community that knew about58200:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.280
mama and allowed us to go fifty two days of58300:39:48.320 --> 00:39:52.920
this searching. And that's sick. That's not a friend. That's58400:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.159
not a friend to the LGBTQ community. You were not respected.58500:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.360
I don't care if you assue me because what I have.58600:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.920
I have a twenty thirteen kia and a daughter in college,58700:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.840
So you're not gonna get much from me. I feel58800:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.639
that it will all come out in the wash, just58900:40:11.840 --> 00:40:15.639
like I yelled and yelled and yelled, she did. Even59000:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.960
people that supported me were trying to convince me that59100:40:20.039 --> 00:40:24.119
she jumped, fell, or was thrown out that window. We59200:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.519
can prove that she did not. She did not go59300:40:26.599 --> 00:40:29.519
out that window alive. If she went out that window,59400:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.119
I do not know how they placed her in that alley,59500:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.880
but she did not go out that window on her59600:40:35.960 --> 00:40:39.199
own recard. She did not jump off the roof. That's59700:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.800
what other people were telling me. Also, is that drug59800:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.239
addicts are always on that roof and they jump between59900:40:46.280 --> 00:40:50.079
that building and the pawn shop. No, especially with no60000:40:50.159 --> 00:40:54.239
shoes on. Jax couldn't walk a beach without sandals because60100:40:54.920 --> 00:40:57.719
she had tender feet. And she was just She's that60200:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.679
girly girl that you can can't take anywhere because they60300:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.480
need a blow dryer, a curling iron and shall we do?60400:41:07.679 --> 00:41:11.280
That was just her and she was like that even60500:41:11.360 --> 00:41:16.760
before she transitioned. She was high maintenance, loved loved pretty things.60600:41:17.199 --> 00:41:22.840
And I think that Lakewood Police and Lakewood City and60700:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.559
Lakewood Corner did not want to have the bad press60800:41:27.559 --> 00:41:32.480
of a dead transgender woman. So I don't know how60900:41:32.719 --> 00:41:38.360
they can be so unprofessional and not follow the evidence.61000:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.400
I agree you've been You've absolutely been put in a61100:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.960
position that no one should be put in let alone61200:41:44.119 --> 00:41:48.159
you know a mother. This past March, Brandon Mama was61300:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.719
indicted for tampering with a deceased body as well as61400:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.880
tampering with evidence, even though he had that outburst in61500:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.360
court saying he didn't do what they say he did.61600:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.880
You know, what was your reaction to hearing the indictment.61700:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.960
Does it feel like a step towards justice for Jax61800:42:04.079 --> 00:42:05.599
or do you think it's kind of a way of61900:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.960
them holding someone accountable without actually having to ask the62000:42:09.039 --> 00:42:11.199
really hard questions about what happened.62100:42:12.000 --> 00:42:16.400
Well, let me tell you. So. The DA, the Jefferson62200:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.679
County DA, has had Jack's file since October. They put62300:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.639
it to a grand jury. I have and will never62400:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.440
know what they put to the grand jury. I am62500:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.719
thinking they only gave them two options because putting it62600:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.000
to a grand jury then a lot of the other62700:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.760
charges can't come forward. I didn't understand a lot of62800:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.199
the legal stuff until after it came out. The main62900:42:42.960 --> 00:42:47.159
DA called me. I was picking up prescriptions at Walmart,63000:42:47.679 --> 00:42:50.239
got in my car and called them back, and she63100:42:50.280 --> 00:42:54.039
had all these people and said, okay, Brandon Mama's arrested.63200:42:54.199 --> 00:42:56.719
He's in jail, and DA DA, DA, DA dah, and63300:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.719
this is what we did, and who's sitting in on63400:42:59.760 --> 00:43:04.320
the meeting. The two prosecuting attorneys who are the best63500:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.280
of the best, which I have heard from the beginning63600:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.400
from Lakewood at the best of the best, detectives the63700:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.639
best of the best, corner the best of the best,63800:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.800
and introduces me to somebody who says she introduces her63900:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.800
as an advocate. She is not an advocate because myself64000:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.039
and my family are not victims. Jack's was not a victim.64100:43:28.079 --> 00:43:32.800
I guess and thinking now, yay, I have an advocate.64200:43:33.480 --> 00:43:37.920
The person who is that person? All she is responsible64300:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.079
to do is to make sure that I know the64400:43:40.119 --> 00:43:46.800
court dates. That's it. Nothing, nothing, So he was indicted.64500:43:47.199 --> 00:43:49.519
So I get cis women who have been hurt by64600:43:49.559 --> 00:43:53.239
Brandon Mama, Where do I go to. My detective at64700:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.119
Lakewood can no longer talk to me. My detective at64800:43:57.159 --> 00:44:01.320
Denver cannot talk to me anymore. Who do I send64900:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.960
these women to. I have women that say I will testify,65000:44:06.719 --> 00:44:11.679
let me testify that are sis women Transgender women who65100:44:11.679 --> 00:44:15.159
have been hurt and choked by Brandon Mama are afraid65200:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.239
will not come forward. I do not blame them. The65300:44:19.280 --> 00:44:24.760
show of forty police officers in full uniform coming to65400:44:24.840 --> 00:44:27.760
the council meeting the night of the vote shows me65500:44:28.719 --> 00:44:32.440
just how ignorant that police force is. You do not65600:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.159
do that. It was ugly, it was gross, And if65700:44:37.199 --> 00:44:41.440
you're a transgender woman and live in Lakewood, you know65800:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.960
that you're not going to report anything period. You're just65900:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.320
not going to do it to that police force. But66000:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.920
I have SIS women now that are coming forward from66100:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.800
Denver and from where brandon Mama lived, where he was arrested,66200:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.239
stating that he hurt them. Where do I give that66300:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.159
information to? Who do I give it to? I try66400:45:04.199 --> 00:45:08.880
to give it to the DA's investigator. What they want66500:45:08.920 --> 00:45:13.599
me to do is give them everybody's name and everybody's66600:45:13.639 --> 00:45:18.039
phone number. These women have been sexually abused. I said, no,66700:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.199
do you not have a number that I can have66800:45:21.920 --> 00:45:26.480
them call you. They're in a safe place, let them66900:45:26.760 --> 00:45:31.559
call you on their own time. They refuse to do that.67000:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.880
Not the transgender women. That's fine. I have still so67100:45:38.039 --> 00:45:41.400
much respect for you even contacting me and telling me67200:45:41.480 --> 00:45:46.159
your story that I appreciate and that is so very brave.67300:45:46.840 --> 00:45:52.400
The CIS women I contacted, they said, please, I will67400:45:52.440 --> 00:45:56.920
tell whoever you want turned that. I couldn't get a67500:45:56.920 --> 00:46:00.679
hold of the investigator because I had no information, So67600:46:00.760 --> 00:46:03.440
I had to turn that over to Linda, and then67700:46:03.480 --> 00:46:06.960
I had to hold from someone that I don't respect,67800:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.960
I don't know, and trust that she turns it over67900:46:10.039 --> 00:46:13.800
to the investigator or to the das that are prosecuting68000:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.440
brand and Mama. Did she do that? I don't know.68100:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.159
I know that it took fourteen days for the investigator68200:46:20.239 --> 00:46:24.480
to reach the first person who Brandon Mama had harmed.68300:46:25.159 --> 00:46:30.199
My PI has been very, very busy because if they68400:46:30.440 --> 00:46:35.360
told me they wanted their story recorded, some have filed68500:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.480
police reports. He went to each and every one of68600:46:38.559 --> 00:46:43.239
them and interviewed them, so we have record if anything68700:46:43.360 --> 00:46:47.360
happens to him, what has taken place, verified, so on68800:46:47.400 --> 00:46:51.199
and so forth. We now have that record. So when68900:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.800
Brandon Mama tells his story, he's gotten off over and69000:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.639
over and over and over again. We now have recourse.69100:46:58.719 --> 00:47:02.239
So these women are not just floating in the air69200:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.079
and worried that somebody's going to show up. He has69300:47:05.440 --> 00:47:11.159
had stalking stalking people. Hopefully people will have justice, and69400:47:11.199 --> 00:47:16.119
that's another justice for Jacks. Is that women transgender or69500:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.880
cis it is not your right to have sex with them.69600:47:20.199 --> 00:47:23.559
It is not your right to drug them. It is69700:47:23.639 --> 00:47:28.239
not your right to choke them, especially transgender women. That69800:47:28.400 --> 00:47:32.599
seems to be the big thing that he just drugs69900:47:32.679 --> 00:47:37.480
and rapes sis women, but transgender women, he has a70000:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.079
history of choking. Does that have to do with Jack's death?70100:47:41.159 --> 00:47:45.159
I have no idea, but certainly explain the broken hyoid.70200:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.719
Yeah, but because Jack's had problems in the past with70300:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.480
drugs doesn't mean she should have died that night. If70400:47:53.519 --> 00:47:58.159
we do even go along with his story and the70500:47:58.239 --> 00:48:02.000
person backing up his story, you didn't call nine one one,70600:48:02.639 --> 00:48:04.920
You didn't put her in a car. You had a car,70700:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.119
you left in a car with another man. You did70800:48:08.159 --> 00:48:12.039
not get help if my daughter was dying of a70900:48:12.119 --> 00:48:16.119
drug overdose, and that's cruel. And she did not go71000:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.280
out that window, So either you kept her someplace else71100:48:20.559 --> 00:48:24.320
and then when they came and sarved you why why71200:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.719
On the twenty ninth, when Denver police served a search71300:48:28.760 --> 00:48:34.719
warrant inside of that office, Lakewood police were outside that office.71400:48:35.599 --> 00:48:40.039
Nobody looked over the fence, nobody did a perimeter check.71500:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.559
That's crazy to me. Was she there the whole time?71600:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.039
All you would add to do is or look out71700:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.400
the dang window and you didn't see my daughter's decomposing body.71800:48:51.159 --> 00:48:55.559
It's ridiculous. And if we go by that whole story,71900:48:56.239 --> 00:48:58.800
she should have been found on the twenty ninth. That72000:48:59.000 --> 00:49:05.199
is negligent. What I hear, this is my nightmare. Is72100:49:05.280 --> 00:49:11.559
my daughter yelling stop, stop, help me, help me stop,72200:49:12.159 --> 00:49:16.119
and it's in her voice. It's crazy. But I don't72300:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.239
know who killed her. I don't think it was drugs.72400:49:20.320 --> 00:49:24.320
I think somebody killed her. I think that I will72500:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.000
never know the truth because there's too much lying. I72600:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.760
think that there's too many people. There was not a72700:49:31.800 --> 00:49:37.360
proper investigation the Mama camp and people surrounded around the72800:49:37.400 --> 00:49:40.360
Mama camp. I've been I've been threatened to be sued,72900:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.760
that somebody is going to sue me because I was73000:49:43.840 --> 00:49:47.119
doing my own investigation on the side id PI the73100:49:47.239 --> 00:49:51.679
second week of May, that nobody knew about who volunteered73200:49:52.039 --> 00:49:56.159
the resources, and he is a CIS male, He's very73300:49:56.199 --> 00:49:59.800
good at his job. We got a lot of information73400:50:00.519 --> 00:50:07.199
and now since Mama has been indicted, I received CIS73500:50:07.239 --> 00:50:12.440
Women's call that they had had terrible interactions with Brandon73600:50:12.519 --> 00:50:18.599
Mama dating back fifteen years ago to present. He was73700:50:19.119 --> 00:50:23.400
in trouble before Jack's went missing, he was in trouble73800:50:23.519 --> 00:50:28.639
during Jack's going missing, and he committed lots of crimes73900:50:28.800 --> 00:50:34.719
after they found Jack's body. Brandon Mama's outburst in court74000:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.559
stating that Jack said that she loved me. Do you74100:50:38.760 --> 00:50:43.199
know Jack stated she loved me the night before? Well,74200:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.199
of course she did. She's an addict and you're probably74300:50:45.199 --> 00:50:48.320
giving her drugs for sex. So is that love? No,74400:50:48.920 --> 00:50:52.440
And my daughter told everyone that she loved him. One74500:50:52.480 --> 00:50:57.800
of my favorite stories is Monroe who visited Jack's. They're74600:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.639
walking and there's a homeless guy. Jacks gets in her74700:51:01.679 --> 00:51:06.119
purse and hands the guy at five dollars and shakes74800:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.159
the guy's hand and looks them in the eye. And74900:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.760
anybody who knew my daughter knows, I mean, this is75000:51:12.800 --> 00:51:17.239
something she would do hundreds of times. And Monroe said75100:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.000
she told the homeless guy she loved them. She told75200:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.920
everybody she loved them. I don't know what kind of75300:51:25.039 --> 00:51:30.199
flex Brandon Mama tried to state, but definitely there was75400:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.079
no relationship. I have screamed and yelled this to the75500:51:34.119 --> 00:51:38.400
police and to the DA. The DA's answer was, you know,75600:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.639
I have a relationship with the investigator that was sitting75700:51:42.719 --> 00:51:47.599
in a meeting. But I think when people say the media,75800:51:48.239 --> 00:51:54.400
the DA, the police say it was a consensual sexual relationship. No,75900:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.840
he never took Jacks on a date. Jacks would probably76000:51:58.880 --> 00:52:02.480
not be seen in public with Branda Mama because Brandon76100:52:02.559 --> 00:52:05.360
Mama is not her type because he looks like a76200:52:05.440 --> 00:52:09.079
drug If it walks, talks, acts like a drug dealer,76300:52:09.239 --> 00:52:11.719
it is a drug dealer. That is not the person76400:52:12.280 --> 00:52:18.159
past boyfriends that Jack's had. There you go, I'm not embarrassed.76500:52:18.239 --> 00:52:22.159
My daughter had a problem, but she always pulled herself76600:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.280
out of it. She'd been to treatment three times. One76700:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.480
time they kicked her out because she was a transgender woman,76800:52:28.559 --> 00:52:33.239
and she paid and somebody dropped her off in Colorado76900:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.440
Springs where this great treatment center was. She had a77000:52:36.480 --> 00:52:40.840
great roommate in the beginning. Then that roommate left because77100:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.159
it was shared rooms. The next roommate that came in77200:52:44.960 --> 00:52:49.360
did not like rooming with a transgender female. So instead77300:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.199
of getting Jack's a new roommate or giving Jax a77400:52:52.239 --> 00:52:56.920
private room, they put her in like a camp setting77500:52:57.000 --> 00:53:01.719
with the men. That was not good. So of course77600:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.760
my daughter stood up for herself. Went to the director77700:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.039
and said, this is not going to work. Jacks had77800:53:08.760 --> 00:53:11.920
no money, no clothes because she was going into treatment.77900:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.920
She got a ride there from a friend. They gave78000:53:14.960 --> 00:53:19.280
her a bus ticket at nine thirty at night in78100:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.119
Colorado Springs and took her to the bus station where78200:53:22.159 --> 00:53:24.360
she had to wait for the next morning to take78300:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.360
a bus back to Denver to go to her house.78400:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.719
The first time she ever went to treatment, it was78500:53:31.960 --> 00:53:37.199
for methanfetamine. She told me about it. I helped her.78600:53:37.760 --> 00:53:41.039
She had to go to the Denver South the Hospital.78700:53:41.360 --> 00:53:46.679
She did very good. She put herself into treatment because78800:53:47.159 --> 00:53:52.159
she didn't like marijuana is legal, but for Jack's it78900:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.760
was it was not a good thing. So I think79000:53:54.800 --> 00:54:00.559
people need to realize that she was not a heroin addict. Yes,79100:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.840
she did do math at one point in her life.79200:54:03.920 --> 00:54:07.639
I don't know what she was using now. I don't79300:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.960
know why she didn't call me. I don't know why.79400:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.519
I think I do know why because I couldn't help79500:54:13.519 --> 00:54:19.360
her financially. I couldn't help her I had gone through cancer.79600:54:20.000 --> 00:54:24.320
And then in December, since I hadn't worked for two years,79700:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.920
she needed to move out of her apartment. And she79800:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.599
needed me to co sign for her. They would not79900:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.840
take my co sign because I didn't have I didn't80000:54:34.840 --> 00:54:39.199
have any income. That was awful. Jax had money to80100:54:39.280 --> 00:54:42.920
move in, wanted to move into this special place, but80200:54:43.440 --> 00:54:49.639
she needed a co signer before the autopsy came back.80300:54:49.760 --> 00:54:54.400
Before anything came back, Lakewood police came at me and80400:54:54.519 --> 00:54:58.559
said it was a person from her community. It's no80500:54:58.800 --> 00:55:05.159
hate crime, and she overdosed, she willingly took GHB, and80600:55:05.199 --> 00:55:11.480
she willingly had consensual sex. I said, okay, a member80700:55:11.519 --> 00:55:15.960
of her community. Was it a hairdresser, a transgender male,80800:55:17.079 --> 00:55:20.960
gay mail? And they said, well, we have proof she80900:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.840
had sex with them. And I said, okay, so what81000:55:25.199 --> 00:55:28.679
are you telling me And they said, well, he's from81100:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.880
her community. And I said, listen, this is awful. My81200:55:33.000 --> 00:55:39.639
daughter has had relationships, like long relationships with heterosexual male81300:55:40.000 --> 00:55:45.480
that claimed they're not gay, because my daughter turned herself81400:55:45.480 --> 00:55:50.960
into a unicorn, which is very sought after the heterosexual81500:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.920
married couples. So you can't tell me that the person81600:55:55.039 --> 00:55:59.519
is part of her LGBTQ community. You can just tell well,81700:55:59.559 --> 00:56:01.440
he's got to be gay. He had sex with her.81800:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.440
That's not That's not the case. Some yeah, it's it81900:56:07.480 --> 00:56:11.280
does not make somebody gay because they had sex with82000:56:11.320 --> 00:56:14.800
my daughter and there's all different ways to have sex,82100:56:15.559 --> 00:56:19.239
and they didn't understand that. They couldn't understand why I82200:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.960
was offended or why I questioned them. The other thing82300:56:23.159 --> 00:56:29.400
is it's just yeah, yeah. Denver Police Detective Bennet was82400:56:29.480 --> 00:56:35.000
absolutely fabulous with me. I could tell him everything anything.82500:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.519
He did not want me to share. Like I knew82600:56:37.559 --> 00:56:41.880
the ping. I think I reported her on Wednesday. He82700:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.599
called me back on Thursday. He had a ping on82800:56:44.719 --> 00:56:48.280
Saturday and told me do not tell anybody. And I82900:56:48.360 --> 00:56:50.519
got a lot of heat for that because people were like,83000:56:50.599 --> 00:56:53.079
you're not doing enough. You know, they can ping her phone.83100:56:53.239 --> 00:56:57.199
I knew Denver already had the ping. I knew they83200:56:57.239 --> 00:56:59.719
already had it, but I was told not to say83300:56:59.719 --> 00:57:04.639
any thing. And then Lakewood from the gig Go was83400:57:04.760 --> 00:57:08.599
just they would tell me stuff and never I mean83500:57:08.679 --> 00:57:12.000
something like that. Did they ever tell me this is83600:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.559
not to be shared. No, they told me that and83700:57:15.599 --> 00:57:18.039
then got off the phone. And then I went, this83800:57:18.280 --> 00:57:21.039
is wrong. This is I mean, they don't know what83900:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.519
the heck they're talking about.84000:57:24.360 --> 00:57:26.000
Let me go ahead and I'm going to ask you84100:57:26.079 --> 00:57:30.280
one more question, is there anything we or our listeners84200:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.920
can do to help find justice for Jacks.84300:57:33.400 --> 00:57:36.320
I hope so. Now a lot of people think that84400:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.960
justice for Jacks came from the advocate that I had84500:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.280
to find on my own. Justice for Jacks came from me.84600:57:43.760 --> 00:57:48.679
Once I started reporting on Jack's case. I had absolutely84700:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.639
no idea that families, and this is ignorant of me84800:57:53.800 --> 00:57:57.840
to say this, I had no idea that transgender women84900:57:58.480 --> 00:58:03.239
were being raped at not being reported successfully, or they85000:58:03.239 --> 00:58:06.840
were afraid of the police, or they were told you're transgender,85100:58:06.880 --> 00:58:11.000
you can't be raped. I also didn't know that transgender85200:58:11.119 --> 00:58:13.840
teenagers a lot of times are kicked out of their85300:58:13.880 --> 00:58:17.519
homes and left on the street. The community has to85400:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.000
take care of them. To me, that was shocking because85500:58:21.320 --> 00:58:26.239
I raised my children. I have police officers, I have detectives,85600:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.480
I have CSI people that have been friends with me85700:58:29.559 --> 00:58:33.440
my whole entire life that I respected. They didn't talk85800:58:33.519 --> 00:58:37.440
about their case outside their cases outside of work. They85900:58:37.599 --> 00:58:42.840
never demeaned a family or a transgender person or a86000:58:42.880 --> 00:58:46.719
gay person. And I taught my children if you're in86100:58:47.000 --> 00:58:50.000
if there's a problem, you go to the police. And86200:58:50.039 --> 00:58:54.480
then finding this out, I was shocked, and I so86300:58:55.360 --> 00:58:59.599
humiliated by the corner and then Lakewood police and talk86400:58:59.800 --> 00:59:02.880
like I was not a person because I had just86500:59:03.000 --> 00:59:07.039
spent fifty two days until they found Jack's body opening86600:59:07.159 --> 00:59:11.920
up every single message on Facebook. I was told that86700:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.440
I should die. I was told I should have had86800:59:15.440 --> 00:59:18.599
an abortion because they would go through my Facebook and86900:59:18.639 --> 00:59:24.679
see that I'm for women's rights I received after Jack's87000:59:24.840 --> 00:59:28.199
was found dead and the corner reached out to someone87100:59:28.239 --> 00:59:31.519
else asking about her next surgeries, which she never had87200:59:31.559 --> 00:59:36.880
any neck surgeries. I then started receiving a cartoon character87300:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.480
of Jack's Justice for Jacks, the little pin that we87400:59:40.599 --> 00:59:43.840
had made that was hand drawn with a noose around87500:59:43.880 --> 00:59:49.079
her neck, and then a lot of off colored transgender87600:59:49.199 --> 00:59:53.920
jokes I still to this day. So Jacks went missing87700:59:54.119 --> 00:59:59.679
April fifteenth, was dead by April sixteenth. I received I87800:59:59.719 --> 01:00:05.239
would say, over fifty people stating that she was an87901:00:05.280 --> 01:00:09.960
habitual drug user. Why am I still doing this? I'm88001:00:10.000 --> 01:00:14.800
taking resources from people that really need it. Yes, my daughter.88101:00:15.000 --> 01:00:18.199
I mean any parent of an addict or a person88201:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.159
you know there's alcohol. You send your children to treatment88301:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.800
each and every time, and you and they're good people.88401:00:26.320 --> 01:00:29.440
They are addicted to something. I've never been addicted to anything.88501:00:29.480 --> 01:00:31.840
I've never had a sponsor, I've never gone to rehab.88601:00:32.360 --> 01:00:36.000
I don't drink. I don't know how it feels to88701:00:36.000 --> 01:00:40.159
be an addict, but I support my child. But Jacks88801:00:40.400 --> 01:00:44.800
ran a successful business. She was not a drug addict88901:00:44.840 --> 01:00:49.679
for you know, ten years she went into treatment her89001:00:49.719 --> 01:00:53.239
first time that she tried hard drugs. I'm sure that89101:00:53.360 --> 01:00:56.840
she smoked pot early on in her life, but now89201:00:56.880 --> 01:01:01.239
pot's legal, so you know, don't come at me for that.89301:01:02.360 --> 01:01:06.800
I've never seen Jack's drink my whole life, even as89401:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.719
a teenager, I never saw Jack's drink alcohol.89501:01:10.639 --> 01:01:14.000
I just wanted to say it's not uncommon for members89601:01:14.000 --> 01:01:18.800
of the LGBTQ to be addicted to substance. It's very89701:01:18.920 --> 01:01:19.559
very common.89801:01:20.159 --> 01:01:26.079
Yeah, I agree, I agree. I think Jack struggle every day.89901:01:27.199 --> 01:01:28.800
Find justice for Jackson.90001:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.480
Make sure that, bro, How can we find justice? I90101:01:31.519 --> 01:01:37.320
think just showing up and speaking out and not believing90201:01:37.400 --> 01:01:41.960
the narrative of Branda Mama or anyone else that are90301:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.679
saying they were in a consensual relationship. Randon Mama was90401:01:45.719 --> 01:01:50.880
a drug dealer, Jack's was a client. I think writing letters.90501:01:51.039 --> 01:01:57.599
I still Lakewood City Council voted to make independent oversight90601:01:57.760 --> 01:02:01.119
of Lakewood police, but then to find out it was90701:02:01.159 --> 01:02:05.119
actually the police who had written it through the city manager.90801:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.880
So what are we going to What's going to happen there?90901:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.000
But justice for Jacks is just showing up and really91001:02:12.320 --> 01:02:17.920
being kind to everyone is justice for Jacks, and not judging.91101:02:18.239 --> 01:02:20.280
Not judging is justice for Jack.91201:02:21.119 --> 01:02:24.880
Thank you, Charlyn. I love that so much. So with91301:02:25.039 --> 01:02:28.960
what Sherilyn shared with us, I of course have thoughts,91401:02:29.920 --> 01:02:34.079
especially based on what the autopsy report shared about Jack's91501:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.920
having a broken clavicle. The clavical connects the shoulder to91601:02:37.960 --> 01:02:42.559
the sternum or the breastbone, and with the broken hyoid bone,91701:02:42.599 --> 01:02:44.719
which is a U shaped bone in the neck that91801:02:44.840 --> 01:02:49.119
holds her tongue in place. Hyoid bones are traditionally broken91901:02:49.199 --> 01:02:53.800
during strangulation or trauma. My belief is that Jacks was92001:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.280
most likely subdued by some sort of drug that Brandon,92101:02:57.480 --> 01:03:01.639
her dealer, gave to her, and then Brandon strangled Jax92201:03:01.719 --> 01:03:05.320
during sex. Brandon and his friends said that she was92301:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.960
still alive when they left, but I don't think so.92401:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.400
I'm not even sure if Jax was still alive when92501:03:11.480 --> 01:03:16.480
Brandon's friend showed up. I believe Brandon killed Jacks panicked92601:03:16.719 --> 01:03:20.320
called his friend to help clean up what he had done. Together,92701:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.440
the men rolled Jax out the office window to the92801:03:23.440 --> 01:03:27.639
ground below. Possibly her clavicle broke on the way down92901:03:27.679 --> 01:03:31.679
when it hit the air conditioner unit. Now remember this93001:03:31.760 --> 01:03:35.719
is just my theory based on the autopsy report. Maybe93101:03:35.800 --> 01:03:38.239
I just watched too many cop shows and I shouldn't93201:03:38.239 --> 01:03:41.079
throw my opinion out there, but that's all it is93301:03:41.400 --> 01:03:45.719
my opinion. What's your opinion? What do you think happened93401:03:45.760 --> 01:03:49.800
to Jax that night on April fifteenth? Thank you all93501:03:49.920 --> 01:03:53.880
so much for joining me CJ and Courtney and Cherylynn93601:03:54.000 --> 01:03:59.159
for this very important episode of Jack Scratton. As Cherylyne expressed,93701:03:59.639 --> 01:04:02.519
just as for Jacks is being kind to each other,93801:04:03.119 --> 01:04:04.320
so please be kind.93901:04:05.400 --> 01:04:10.400
Another page closed. But the story isn't over for the94001:04:10.440 --> 01:04:14.159
families left behind. The pain doesn't end when the headline stade.94101:04:14.880 --> 01:04:17.840
And for the victims, we owe them more than silence94201:04:18.920 --> 01:04:22.400
for our on solved cases. If you have any information,94301:04:22.679 --> 01:04:25.440
please reach out to local authorities or visit our show94401:04:25.480 --> 01:04:30.239
notes for links and resources. Someone out there knows something,94501:04:31.159 --> 01:04:35.559
maybe it's you. Thank you for listening to the Book94601:04:35.559 --> 01:04:38.639
of the dead. If this story moved or spoke to94701:04:38.639 --> 01:04:42.480
you in some way, talk about it, share it, keep94801:04:42.519 --> 01:04:50.400
their names alive. Until next time, I'm Courtney Liso. Stay safe,94901:04:50.920 --> 01:04:55.599
stay curious, and stay vigilant. And remember the dead may95001:04:55.599 --> 01:04:58.960
be gone, but their stories will not be forgotten.95101:05:10.199 --> 01:05:16.760
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