Chapter 73: The Lonely Hearts Killers

Raymond Fernandez was a charming man who, after a tragic accident, used that charm to seduce women in an effort to steal their money. Martha Beck was a desperately lonely woman with two children whose sole goal in life was to find a man to love her....
Raymond Fernandez was a charming man who, after a tragic accident, used that charm to seduce women in an effort to steal their money. Martha Beck was a desperately lonely woman with two children whose sole goal in life was to find a man to love her. Their paths would cross, by pure chance, with an ad placed in a Lonely Hearts Club, a service used to find a spouse. This one ad would connect these two and would end with the deaths of 3 people. This is the story of The Lonely Hearts Killers.
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today due to the nature of this
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Now, this may be case that
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been covered before. It's also one
that I covered when I was on WQEE
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Radio this month if you caught that
for their monthly true crime segment that I
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do. But that being said,
we're going to jump right in. In
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today's world, dating and meeting new
people is easy because of social media.
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You have all sorts of apps to
meet new people, like Tinder and Bumble,
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and they are used for everything from
finding friends to finding partners who you'll
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spend the rest of your life with. That's not to say it doesn't come
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without dangers. You have things like
catfishing, where people pretend to be someone
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they are not, and there's always
a risk that you never truly know who
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you were going to meet. But
things like this are not a new or
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recent concept. This is something that
has been around in various forms for decades,
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and in the nineteen forties, people
looking for love could put ads in
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the newspaper, and others could respond
with letters if they were interested, or
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they could use services that connected people
looking for love with someone else. One
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such correspondence method were the Lonely Hearts
clubs that boasted, according to an ad
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for one of them, quote,
let us arrange your romantic correspondence for you
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meet your sweetheart through the foremost high
class social correspondence club in the world.
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A club for refined lonely people.
Members everywhere, strictly confidential, efficient and
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dignified service. We have made thousands
of lonely people happy. Why not you
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particulars free right today? If sincere
now. I'm sure thousands of people really
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did use the service, and I'm
sure there were many satisfied customers. But
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as with today's dating apps, it's
not without its dangers, and there would
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be those who would take advantage of
people looking for love, and it would
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end in the most devastating way.
This is the story of Raymond Fernandez and
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Martha Beck, the Lonely Hearts killers. Raymond Fernandez, according to an article
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for Crime Library by mar Gado,
was born on December seventeenth, nineteen fourteen,
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to parents of Spanish descent in Hawaii. Now. According to this article,
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Raymond was very sickly looking and very
frail as a child, and his
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father was not very fond of him
because he wanted a stronger son. When
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Raymond was about three, the family
moved from Hawaii to Bridgeport, Connecticut,
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and according to all reports, as
he got older, Raymond grew into a
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very intelligent, handsome young man,
and he was described as calm, gentle,
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and kind. In nineteen thirty two, Raymond decided that he was going
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to go back to Spain and work
with his uncle on the family farm,
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and this seemed like a really good
decision for him. He was thriving in
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the village of Boriva, and the
residents there seemed to like him. At
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twenty, he met and married a
young woman named Incarnacion Robles, and they
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would go on to have at least
two children together, although some reports said
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they had as many as four.
During World War Two, Raymond went on
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to serve as Spain's merchant marine and
would then go on to serve with the
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British government as a spy, which
he was reportedly very good at, although
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no one knows a lot about what
he actually did. It was said,
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though according to the Defense Security Office
in Gibraltar that he was quote entirely loyal
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to the Allied cause and carried out
his duties, which were sometimes difficult and
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dangerous extremely well. Things changed after
the war, though. In nineteen forty
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five, Raymonds went back to America
to find better work, leaving his wife
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and children home until he had the
funds to bring them to America as well.
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While in a ship headed to carro
us Out in the Dutch West Indies,
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a steel hatch closed on his head. Now this was not a minor
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injury. The force of this hatch
fall on his head left an indentation on
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his skull and he ended up spending
months in the hospital. When he was
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released sometime in March of forty six, Raymond was completely different. We've spoken
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about head injuries in past chapters,
and while I couldn't tell you exactly what
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type of injury he sustained, the
likelihood that he had some sort of traumatic
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brain injury is so high, which
we know can cause things such as personality
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changes. Raymond went from a sociable, well mannered man to someone who was
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quick to anger, would ramble,
and would rarely smile. His appearance changed
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as well, he had a horrible
scar on his head that was clearly visible
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because all of his lush, dark
hair was gone. Now he had gone
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bald by this point, Whether by
genetics or as a result of the scar
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tissue on his head, either one
or both could have been a factor,
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and as a remedy for this,
he started wearing two pays now. After
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being released from the hospital, at
some point, he got on another ship,
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this time headed to Alabama. This
is when the first of many bad
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decisions was made that would snowball into
something horrific. When the ship docked,
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Raymond stole items belonging to another passenger, and these things were clearly labeled with
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another passenger's name, so he couldn't
explain this away when he was stopped at
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customs, so he was arrested and
spent one year in a federal prison in
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Tallahassee, Florida. This is where
he would become close with his cellmate,
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who was a man from Haiti who
was a practitioner of voodoo. Now,
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for those that don't know, according
to the Open Encyclopedia of Anthropology, Haitian
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voodoo is quote the worship of spiritual
entities or divinities representing the different means of
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nature and human activities. It originated
in the countries of the Gulf of Guinea
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and eventually transformed with the advent of
the slave trade and the development of Haiti
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as a country. According to natural
geographic voodoo is very similar culturally to Judaism
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or Christianity and involve ceremonies to make
contact with the pantheon of spirits. Of
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course, in western countries, voodoo
is portrayed as being evil and involving black
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magic and things like human sacrifice and
voodoo dolls, but that is not the
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case in traditional voodoo, although in
Raymond's case it seems as if he was
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instructed on the perverted version of voodoo. While traditional voodoo does involve some sort
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of sacrifice, it's usually a sacrificial
animal and it is with the purpose of
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feeding a life source back to the
spirits. And the source notes are going
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to be the links to the anthropology
text and the Nacchio articles so you can
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get more information, because as interesting
as I think it is, to really
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dive into the history of voodoo is
a very long process and something that I'm
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not well versed in, but they
provide a really interesting reread. So Raymond,
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after learning voodoo from his sell me, became convinced that he had this
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insane sexual power over women that was
enhanced by this voodoo energy. After being
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released from prison, Raymond moved to
Brooklyn and went to live with his sister,
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where his family was shocked by his
appearance. Raymond would lock himself away
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in his room, complaining of headaches, and this is where he started writing
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letters to women in lonely hearts clubs, where he would seduce them, gain
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their trust, get them to send
him all sorts of things like money,
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checks and jewelry, and when he
bled them dry, he would disappear.
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He also would ask women to send
them locks of their hair or personal items
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that he could use to quote perform
rituals in order to strengthen the power he
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believed he had over these women in
order to get them to do what he
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wanted. He believed that these women
were bending to his will due to the
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strength length of his voodoo powers,
when in reality, these women were most
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likely just incredibly lonely and he knew
how to charm them. Unfortunately, after
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he took as much as he could
from them, the women never reported anything.
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Most likely out of a sense of
embarrassment that they had gotten themselves quote
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unquote into this situation. Raymond wrote
letters for months, and in nineteen forty
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seven, he met a woman named
Jane Thompson who was recently, depending on
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the article you read, either divorced
or she had a husband in a mental
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institution, and he talked her into
meeting him and taking a cruise to Spain.
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In case you were curious who was
founding this trip, that would be
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Jane. Now, while Jane and
Raymond traveled and took in the sights,
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they eventually made their way to Encarnacy, Own, Raymond's wife and mother of
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his children. I could not tell
you what he told his wife to make
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her okay with Jane being with him, but the three of them seemed to
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be doing fine until November seventh of
nineteen forty seven, when some sort of
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argument broke out and Raymond was seen
running from the hotel he and Jane were
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at. Jane's body was found the
next day with no obvious signs of trauma,
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and she was buried without an autopsy. Raymond skipped town, leaving his
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wife and children behind again, and
made his way back to New York where
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he produced Jane's will and took over
her property and apartment, regardless of the
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fact that Jane's mother was living there. Now, don't be fooled that while
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Raymond was traveling with Jane that he
stopped writing letters, because he didn't and
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one day he wrote a letter to
a woman named Martha Seabrook Beck now Martha
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Seabrook was born in nineteen nineteen in
Milton, Florida, and she didn't have
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the best time growing up. She
was, by all accounts, considered pretty
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unattractive, and she had some sort
of glandular condition that caused her to gain
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a lot of weight and mature a
lot faster than children her age. As
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you know, kids can be ridiculously
cruel, so she was teased pretty badly
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about this. It was reported by
all sources that she was allegedly assaulted by
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her brother as a child, and
when she told her mother, her mother
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blamed Martha for the assaults. As
a result, her mother allegedly followed her
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everywhere and chased off any boy that
showed interest in Martha. So she grew
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up very lonely and withdrawn. In
nineteen forty two, she graduated first of
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her class in nursing school, but
really struggled to find a job, and
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articles covering this attributed it to her
weight. And I don't think she wouldn't
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have gotten a job as a nurse
even if she was, Like, if
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being heavy had something to do with
it, sounds weird to me, but
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maybe there was a vanity thing.
But according to these articles, she couldn't
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get a job initially because of her
size. Now, after working for a
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mortician for a time, she moved
to California and got a job at an
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army hospital. At some point,
Martha became pregnant by a soldier who wanted
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nothing to do with her when he
found out, So she returned to Florida
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and made up a story about marrying
a Navy officer in California, going so
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far as to wear a fake wedding
ring. Now, she eventually had to
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come up with a story as to
why her husband wasn't coming home, so
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she made up a story that he
was killed in action and basked in the
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attention she received from this made up
tragedy. In nineteen forty four, she
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gave birth to a daughter, and
a few months later Martha met a bus
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driver named Alfred Beck, and she
became pregnant again. Now Alfred did marry
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her, probably out of a sense
of trying to do the right thing,
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but they divorced six months later and
Martha was left to raise her two children
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alone. In nineteen forty six,
she started working at a children's hospital as
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a nurse in Pensacola, and she
thrived. She was actually a really great
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nurse, and she took it so
seriously. She was so good, in
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fact, that she was promoted before
the year was over. But the reason
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she was so good at her job
was because she had nothing else to focus
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her energy on, at least in
her mind, because she did have two
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children, but she wanted a man
in her life desperately. One day,
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a coworker played a pretty not nice
joke on her, and he sent her
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an ad in the mail to a
lonely hearts club, which devastated her.
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But Martha placed an ad anyway kind
of as a way to stick it to
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them, and she sent in a
description of herself, although she did neglect
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to mention the fact that she had
two children and was very heavy. And
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then she waited and waited and waited. Finally, right around Christmas, in
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nineteen forty seven, she got a
response from a man living on West one
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thirty ninth Street in New York by
the name of Raymond Fernandez. Raymond wrote
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how he was a successful businessman who
had left his hometown in Spain for better
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opportunities in his import and export business
that had made him a fortune. He
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lamented of how he lived alone in
a big apartment and how he longed to
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share it with a wife, and
how he had written to her because as
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a nurse he knew quote she had
a full heart with a great capacity for
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comfort and love. And Martha was
done for She was head over heels on
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that letter alone, and they began
sending letters back and forth. Raymond,
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following his pattern, asked Martha for
a lack of hair, which she happily
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sent him so that he could perform
his ritual to make her do whatever he
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wanted, which, to be honest, even if it was a real ritual,
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which it was not, was unnecessary
because Martha was so over the moon
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that this handsome, successful man was
interested in her, she would have done
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whatever he wanted anyway. That December
they finally met when Raymond went down to
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Florida and whined and dined her in
an effort to steal her money. Martha,
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for her part, was over the
moon that someone was giving her all
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this attention, and she immediately wanted
to marry him. I mean, this
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man was successful, handsome, he
didn't seem to mind that she had two
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small children. He was allegedly great
in bed. He was the total package.
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However, when he realized that Martha
really didn't have anything worth stealing,
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he went right back to New York, and Martha wanted to go with him.
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Now, Raymond told her, no, no, not right now.
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I'll send for you, don't worry, and off he went. Now,
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after he went back to New York, it's a little fuzzy as to what
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happened, but one source said that
Raymond told Martha that he wasn't going to
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marry her, and she tried to
kill herself. So he said, okay,
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fine, come visit, and the
Daily News said she just kind of
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showed up. But either way,
she visited him in New York for about
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two weeks before returning home again.
Depending on the source you read, Martha,
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either after getting home lied about losing
her job or she really did lose
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it, and again she headed to
New York with her children in tow arriving
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on Raymond's doorstep on January eighteenth,
nineteen forty eight. Now for some people
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this wouldn't exactly be a welcome surprise. Here's this woman that is more than
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a little obsessed with you, just
showing up out of the blue saying she
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and her children are moving in.
And I'm sure a lot of people would
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either say fine, but you need
to get your own place asap, and
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much more unkind people would say absolutely
not. But Raymond was okay with this.
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Martha was obsessed and doted on his
every need, so he figured this
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would actually work out in his favor, so he said she could stay.
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However, according to the Daily News, her children could not, so Martha
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on January twenty fifth, dropped her
kids off at the Salvation Army. Her
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four and two year old just left
them there with strangers because they didn't fit
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in with her new life. It
seems as if Martha abandoning her children for
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him was a major act of devotion, because when she returned, Raymond told
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her all about his scheme and showed
her all the letters that he had received
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from women. He also told her
all about his wife in Spain and how
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he wanted to continue scamming women all
over the country. Martha, I guess,
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thought this was a really great plan
because she agreed to pose as his
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sister when he met these unsuspecting women
in order to help Raymonds gain their trust,
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which is honestly just wild to me. How are you going to a
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abandon your children for a man you
don't even know, and b he tells
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you this whole story of how he's
scamming these poor women and you just go,
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yeah, that sounds great. I
can get in on this. It's
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mind boggling to me. But I
think it speaks to her desperation and her
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loneliness that she was willing to just
do all of this. So they lived
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together for about a year and Raymond
continues to write letters and steal from women.
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Then he starts corresponding with a woman
named Janet Fay. Now Janet Fay
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was a widow living in Albany,
New York. She was an older woman
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in her sixties and devoutly religious,
something that she must have had in her
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Lonely Hearts clip profile or she had
mentioned this to Raymond because he had reportedly
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referenced God and religion in his letters
to Janet in an effort to win her
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trust, which definitely worked. According
to The Daily News, Janet's landlady,
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Missus Bernard, said that Janet was
a very quiet woman and had been receiving
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a lot of mail for about a
year, and she had suspected that Janet
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was involved in a lonely hearts club. In fact, Janet's stepdaughter Mary Spencer,
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said the Janet had been burned in
the past by a scammer with one
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of the clubs. So Raymond spoke
to Janet for weeks and finally he got
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her to agree that he and Martha
would come to Albany and visit with Janet.
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On December thirtieth, nineteen forty eight, they arrive in Albany and check
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into a hotel as a married couple. The next day, Raymond goes to
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Janet's and loves her with flowers and
talks to religion, and over the next
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few days, Raymond keeps coming around
and he brings Martha, introducing her as
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his sister. Before Janet knew it, and according to articles for the Daily
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News, Raymond had proposed by the
new year and they had even made plans
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to move to Long Island. And
this just shows you how fast Raymond worked.
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They arrived on the thirtieth. By
New Year's they were engaged. They
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talked only for a few weeks,
maybe longer, but weeks really, and
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he visited her. They met,
and they were engaged. The man moved
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fast. Now what's interesting is that
Janet was visited on New Year's by her
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stepdaughter, and she had introduced Raymond
and Martha as her cousins. Now that
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could be because Mary was already aware
that Janet had been scammed in the past.
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According to that article in the Daily
News, sometime later, Janet had
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made the rounds to different banks,
closing three different accounts and with drawing around
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two thousand dollars, although I will
say the actual amount is a bit of
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a mystery because some other sources,
like the Post Star, claims the amount
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was three or four thousand. On
January eleventh, nineteen forty nine, Mary
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Spencer received a letter from her stepmother, whom Mary hadn't seen in almost two
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weeks. According to the Daily News, the letter read quote, my dearest
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Mary, you may think I am
mean by not writing to you any sooner.
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Please excuse me for I've been so
busy going and seeing so many different
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places, and also doing much shopping. I am all excited and having the
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time of my life. I never
felt as happy as before. I soon
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will be missus Martin and we will
go to Florida for the winter. Mary,
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I am about to ask you a
great favor. I would like you
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to call the American Express Agency and
have them ship my trunk and boxes that
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I have there to me the addresses
on the various stickers I am enclosing in
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this letter. I would like to
sort out many things before I leave for
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Florida. I am so happy and
contented for Charles is good and nice to
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me, and also his family.
They have done everything to make me feel
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more comfortable and at home. I
would close now with my best wishes and
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love for you both, and love
and kisses for the children. I really
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do miss you all, but I
am sure that my prayers have been granted
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to me by sending this wonderful man
to me. God bless you all.
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Janet Jay Fay and the letter was
both written and signed on a typewriter.
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Now it seems like a nice letter. Janet has found a man a mister
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Charles Martin to love her. He
treats her really, really well. They're
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having a wonderful time and they're going
to move to Florida. However, the
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second that Mary opened to this letter, alarm bells were going off. Not
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only, as I said, was
this letter signed via typewriter, which no
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one does. If you're signing something, you do it in Penn unless something
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is electronically signed, which didn't exist
in nineteen forty nine. But Janet Faye
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didn't know how to use a typewriter. This was common knowledge among her family.
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She couldn't use one. In fact, because of this, she probably
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didn't even own a typewriter. So
Mary goes to her stepmom's home in Albany,
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and she's shocked to find out that
the home had been sold for about
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six thousand dollars and Janet was gone. So what happened to Janet? No
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one would know for weeks what really
happened. Meanwhile, on January twenty third,
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Raymond and Martha arrive in Grand Rapids, Michigan to their next victim,
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a woman named Delphine Downing, a
widow with a two year old daughter named
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ray Now now not a single source
is consistent in Delphine's age. I've seen
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it very around twenty four to forty
one, but according to the Harald Palladium,
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she was originally from Palace, Nebraska
and had moved to Michigan after getting
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married. So Raymond and Martha meet
up with Delphine and ray Now and they
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hit it off. Raymond introduces himself
as Charles Martin, a businessman like he
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did a Janet, and he introduces
Martha as his sister from Chicago. They
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hit it off, and Delphine is
thrilled that Raymond is so good with ray
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all and so patient with her,
so they very quickly enter into a relationship,
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and of course Martha is absolutely seething
the jealousy. At this point.
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According to the Daily News, Delphine
is convinced that they should move to California,
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and she's all for it. She's
ready to start a new life,
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and so she starts liquidating her assets
and giving the money to Raymond for safe
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keeping. According to the HARALDS.
Palladium, Delphine had taken Raymond and Martha
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to meet her parents in Nebraska,
and they seemed to like him and thought
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he seemed responsible, and things are
going really well. Then things changed.
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If you remember I said in the
beginning, after Raymond's accident, he started
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wearing a twope. He was very
self conscious about his lack of hair,
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and as far as I know,
pretty much no one knew that his hair
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wasn't real. And that's going to
be very important in a few minutes.
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Now the details are a little fuzzy, but in late February, Delphine's neighbors
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started to realize that they hadn't seen
Delphine or right now in a little bit.
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It had only been a couple of
days, but the neighbors were suspicious,
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so one of them made a call
to police, and on the evening
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of February twenty eighth, nineteen forty
nine, police arrived at the Downing home
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as Raymond and Martha are coming back
from the movies, and police are immediately
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suspicious because Delphine and her daughter are
not with them, and Raymond was also
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carrying thousands of dollars in cash that
he couldn't explain where it came from,
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so police immediately take them into custody
and start searching the house. The police
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are not searching very long before they
come to the basement of the house and
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on the floor they find a large
patch of fresh cement, so fresh that
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it's still wet. So police start
digging and buried under the cement with the
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bodies of Delphine and right now.
Police ask Raymond and Martha what happened,
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and they confessed to everything, with
Raymond saying, quote, you've got me
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dead to rights, I might as
well tell everything. According to the Daily
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News, a few days before the
bodies were found, Raymond decided he wanted
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to try out some new hair and
was changing his cupe when Delphine came into
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the room. Well, Delphine was
obviously shocked because she thought this man had
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a full head of hair. If
he's lying about that, what else was
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he lying about? So she confronts
him and they get into this huge argument.
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So Martha, according to prosecutor Roger
McMahon, decides that Delphine had to
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go. According to their confessions,
Martha gave Delphine a large dose of sleeping
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pills. Now, allegedly, Martha
got her to take these pills because Delphine
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worried that she may be pregnant,
and Martha, being a nurse, told
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her to take these pills. To
quote take care of it. These sleeping
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pills knocked Delphine out, and allegedly
Rainelle started crying for her mother, so
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Martha, in a rage, strangled
the baby. She didn't kill her,
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but Raymond and Martha were afraid of
what else would do when she woke up
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and saw what Martha had done.
So, according to Martha, quote,
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when she showed signs of waking up, Raymond said we'd better do something about
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it. So he shot her with
her deceased husband's gun, wrapped in a
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towel, and buried her in the
basement and cemented the hole over. Now
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they had a new problem. They
had a toddler missing her mother. They
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tried for a couple of days to
appease Raynell, taking her for cares and
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the movies, and even allegedly buying
her a puppy, but Rainell wouldn't stop
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crying for her mother and refused to
eat. Finally, Raymond had enough and
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told Martha, quote, you'll have
to do it. I haven't got the
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heart. Martha said, she'd quote
undressed the girl and holding her by the
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feet, I put her head in
a tub of water. She held Rainnell
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underwater for twenty minutes. And then
hit her over the head and buried her
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with her mother. According to Raymond, though he never told Martha to quote
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get rid of Rainell, he said, according to the Daily News, that
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he had heard the baby crying in
the basement and shouted to Martha to quote
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let her alone. When he went
to the basement, he said, quote.
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When I got there, I saw
the baby was under the water,
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and it was too late, so
I went back upstairs. Now police had
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actually found a notebook with a list
of seventeen women, so police were very
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concerned that they had more victims on
their hands, so they did their best
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to track these women down. Meanwhile, in New York, police were investigating
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the disappearance of Janet Fay when they
were contacted by Michigan police or reporters,
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again depends on the source you read, because her name was in Raymond's book.
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So the police explained that Janet was
missing. So Raymond and Martha are
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confronted about her whereabouts and they confess. Again. Raymond and Martha tell police
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how on January fourth, out of
blind jealousy over Janet quote attempting to seduce
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Raymond, Martha strangled her with a
scarf and when he heard what she had
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done, Raymond beat Janet with a
hammer. Now, according to Martha,
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she had blacked out and didn't actually
remember strangling Janet until Raymond stopped her from
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doing it and was essentially like,
look what you've done. Now I have
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to take care of this. According
to what Raymond told Queen's defense attorney,
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Erwin she Shapiro, he paid one
hundred and sixty five dollars to rent a
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house in Ozone Park in Long Island, and then hid Janet's body in a
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trunk that he temporarily storted his sister
Lena's home in Astoria. Then he stole
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cement, and on the twelfth he
buried Janet's body in the basement of the
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rents at home and covered it with
the cement. Police found Janet's body,
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and they also seized the trunk that
contained jewelry they believed had belonged to her.
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Now, Raymond and Martha swore that
the three known victims were the only
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people they killed. Both police weren't
so sure. They had heard from a
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forty one year old woman named Esther
Henny in New York who was married to
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Raymond for six months but had broken
it off with him when she had heard
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rumors about a woman who had died
under mysterious circumstances on a trip to Spain
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with him, which would be Jane, who I mentioned earlier. Additionally,
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while in the beginning he was very
charming and kind, he soon became angry
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and frequently yelled at her when she
refused to sign over money to him.
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Additionally, according to the News Herald, police also learned of a woman who
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was from Arkansas, forty year old
Myrtle Young, who died after going to
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Chicago with Raymond quote after being swindled
out of thousands of dollars. Now,
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Michigan and New York police had a
dilemma. Michigan did not have capital punishment,
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and if Raymond and Martha were tried
for the deaths of Delphine and Raynew
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the New York Die's Office would have
had to wait for them to serve at
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least ten years before Raymond and Martha
could be extradited for Janet's murder under Michigan
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law. In fact, this is
what Raymond and Martha were banking on.
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A major reason that Raymond confessed and
gave police so much detail was because Michigan
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police told him if he cooperated,
he could avoid extradition and he would only
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serve around six years, with Martha
getting off scott Ford three. But that's
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not what happened. Michigan authorities,
according to an expose in The Daily News
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by David Cregisik, actually waived the
chance to prosecute Raymond and Martha for the
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murders of Delphine and Rainew so that
they could be extradited to New York and
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face the death penalty in Janet's death. Immediately, they tried to recant their
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confessions to no avail. The forty
three day trial began in July of nineteen
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forty nine, and it was a
circus. The trial was held in the
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Bronx and there were crowds of people
standing outside protesting and demanding justice. The
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media went nuts and had a field
day coming up with different names to call
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Martha about her appearance, comparing her
to a pig and a hippo in a
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two to two, which the media
is not kind, especially in this time,
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the forties fifties, when it comes
to a woman killer who they don't
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believe is attractive and my whole thing, she's a disgusting human being for the
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thing she did, but her appearance
has nothing to do with it, and
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the media just harped on it.
It was just kind of gross to read
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it. No sympathy for her as
a person. Just I don't like why
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what is her being heavy you have
to do with anything kind of thing,
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you know what I mean? Now? Raymond and Martha did allegedly try for
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an insanity defense, which did not
work, and during cross examination, when
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asked about her love for Raymond,
Martha said, quote, we loved each
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other and I consider it absolutely sacred. You refer to the love making as
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abnormal, but for the love I
had for Fernandez, nothing is abnormal.
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A request from mister Fernandez to me
is a command. I loved him enough
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to do anything he asked me to, and honestly, I could literally do
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a separate episode on their trial alone. It was so performative, and there
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were riots and all sorts of shenanigans, but they were ultimately found guilty after
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twelve hours of deliberation and sentenced to
death in August in nineteen forty nine.
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On March eighth, nineteen fifty one, Raymond and Martha were both put to
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death via the electric chair at Sing
Sing Prison in New York. When Raymond
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was being taken away, he allegedly
said, quote, I want to shout
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it out. I love Martha.
What did the public know about love?
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And when Martha was taken down,
she said, quote, what does the
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matter? Who was to blame?
My story is a love story, but
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only those tortured with love can understand
what I mean. I was pictured as
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a fat, on feeling woman.
I am not on feeling, stupid or
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moronic. In the history of the
world, how many crimes had been attributed
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to love? Now, I will
say before their deaths. Raymond finally remembered
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that he had a wife and a
few children in Spain and wrote to them
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many times. And he and Martha
had this love hate relationship the entire time
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they were awaiting their sentence or awaiting
to be put to death. One day
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they hated each other. It was
her fault, it was his fault.
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The next day were so in love
and no one could say anything to tear
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them apart. And Martha, for
her part, had a lot of sympathizers.
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A lot of women sympathized with Martha, and it had to do with
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the fact that they felt bad for
her. You know, here was this
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woman conventionally unattractive, at least by
society standards, you know, heavy,
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very lonely, and she had fallen
so deeply in love with a man who
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told her would give her the world, and a lot of women sympathized with
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that and felt bad for her.
She had a lot of supporters before she
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died, which is interesting. But
when you look at people, specifically women
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who go out and look for men
in prison, some of whom have done
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terrible, terrible, terrible things,
and they contact them and they talk to
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them, and they think they're in
love with them. And it's not surprising
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to me that she had these supporters, and Raymond had supporters as well.
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But it's interesting to me that she
had received so much sympathy. It was
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like people were blind to the things
that she had done, you know,
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killing two women, killing a baby, a toddler. Again, Raynell's age
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is a little iffy in sources.
I've seen that she was as young as
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one and a half, as old
as four. The average, it seemed
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to be was that she was around
two. But it was very interesting to
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me the sympathy that she received.
But that was the lonely Hearts killers.
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This is a case that has interested
me for a while, for a couple
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of years, so I finally got
to do it. It's an interesting case
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and it says a lot about what
traumatic brain injuries can do, because I
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don't know if Raymond would have gone
on to do any of the things he
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did had he not been injured so
severely. And it says a lot about
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what a woman would do out of
desperation to be loved, because if Martha,
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forget the Navy seal, if Martha
had stayed married to Alfred, you
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know, she would never have met
Raymond because she would have been married,
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she would have had someone to love
her. So it says a lot about
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what someone would do for love and
out of desperation to be loved. But
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thank you for listening. Lisa should
be back in the next one, and
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as always, we appreciate you guys. Thank you for being so good about
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the schedule change, the frequency change. But I think doing two episodes a
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month as opposed to four a month
is a lot better. I was able
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to dedicate a lot more time to
researching this case, so in my mind,
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that's a win. But as always, we hope you have a wonderful
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week. Thank you so much for
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