Chapter 75: A Mother's Fight for Answers-The Murder of Deverrie Schiller

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Welcome to the next chapter. Prior to

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our break, I was put in
contact with a woman named Debbie Fons who

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has been waiting for a resolution in
her daughter's murder. As you all know,

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working with family members is something that
we take very seriously and means a

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lot that family members would put their
trust in us to tell their loved one

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story. Well, this is happening
a lot later than I thought it would.

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All cases deserve to be told correctly
and with care and thought put behind

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it, and I won't put out
an episode unless it's told the way it's

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deserved to be told. Debbie said
to me during our phone conversation that she

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was not looking for justice, as
justice would be getting her daughter back.

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Since that is impossible. The one
thing she can hope for is an arrest

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to be made, and she is
adamant she knows who killed her baby.

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Today, i'll tell you about the
murder of Devere Schiller. Before we get

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into the case, I want to
tell you a little bit about where the

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case takes place, since I think
it shed some light on why this case

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is still unsolved. According to California
dot Com, California City, or Calcity

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as it is known to some,
is one of the most interesting cities in

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the state and is located in the
northern Antelope Valley in Kern County. It's

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an hour outside of Los Angeles and
was established in nineteen sixty five. It's

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a collection of empty streets and land
waiting for development that never actually happened.

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According to All That's Interesting. The
eighty two thousand square foot area was purchased

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by sociology professor Nat Mendelssohn as a
way to make money off the California housing

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market during the post war real estate
boom. Housing prizes were through the roof,

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and an uptick in the population drove
it even higher, with not enough

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homes to accommodate all of the people
waiting to live there. Nat had already

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had experienced developing a smaller town called
Arlanza Village that was thriving, so a

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city was NAT's next step. However, things didn't go well. California City

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was in the desert, far from
most of the places people would want to

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go, and with only one thousand
residents, Mendelssohn gave up and by nineteen

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sixty nine sold his share and abandoned
his dream. However, even though he

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had given up, cal City did
start to grow, but as the population

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increased, the wells that fed water
to the city that never seemed to run

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out of water finally started to and
population growth crawled, and by twenty twenty

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there were fewer than fifteen thousand residents
living there. Now, for a city

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with such a small population, you
would almost think that crime in this area

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would be pretty low, but on
the contrary, it's rather high for its

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size. According to crimegrad dot org, the crime rate in cal City is

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actually higher than the average US city, and its filing crime rate is around

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eight per one thousand residents a year. While violent and property crime rates are

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quite high, murder is not.
The north side of the city has a

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murder rate of one in eleven thousand, while the south side has a rate

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of one in thirty three thousand.
While statistics suggests it's not that common,

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murder does happen, and in a
city as small as this, the resources

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to solve them really aren't there.
In twenty twenty three, CCPD chief Jesse

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high Tower, according to an article
for turn to twenty three dot com,

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said that he was about six officers
short of what an ideal staffing number should

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be and was looking for about fifteen
cities and volunteers to help fill that gap.

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These volunteers would do non threatening duties
like checking on homes while residents were

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on vacation, traffic duties and running
the lobby at the station so that officers

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could go out and work on various
cases. But lack of officers, budget

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cuts, and few resources has been
an ongoing problem in cal City, and

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its residents are suffering as a result. That's not to say that law enforcement

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doesn't care, but they aren't equipped
with the thing it's necessary to solve cases,

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and Debrie's is one of them.
In fact, her case is one

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of eight unsolved crimes in kel City. Five of them are homicides and three

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of them are missing persons. So
the resources are not there. They don't

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have enough people to work these cases, you know what I mean? Yes,

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I do it because it's a small
police force. They don't have the

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manpower. They don't at all.
And you know, if there's fifteen thousand

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residents and they're say twenty police officers, I don't know how many there are,

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but if they're say twenty on the
police force, that's not even one

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police officer per resident. No,
not even close. Now, when you

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ask Debbie to describe her daughter,
Debris, she'll tell you how Debris was

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funny, beautiful, and she was
absolutely stonied, gorgeous girl, protective of

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her mother and her family, Intelligent, and an asshole. Not one to

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Min's words. Debbie told me that
while she could sing her daughter's praises,

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it was unrealistic to say she was
perfect, because Debry could absolutely be an

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asshole. She was also tough as
nails. When Debry was a baby,

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she came up behind one of their
dogs, and the dog, thinking the

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baby was their other dog, whipped
around and bit Debris like on the face.

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No, she wasn't hurt badly,
just like a small cut on the

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nose. But instead of crying,
Devery reprimanded the dog. This like little

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one looked at that dog and said, no wolf, wolf, no bite

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bad wafers Like this little toddler is
reprimanding the dog. Well, she's she

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knows what's right and what's wrong.
Like give her that. Even as a

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toddler. Yeah, she took no
shit from anyone as a baby, and

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she was not going to take it
from anyone as an adult. Growing up,

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Debris was as feisty as ever,
not afraid to stand up to anyone

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for anything she believed in. Debbie
told me how before she was born,

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Debry's older sister was obsessed with Full
House and her favorite character was DJ,

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and she desperately wanted her baby sister
to be DJ too, which is how

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Debray got her name, Debory Janet. But the nickname DJ never took.

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In fact, most of her nicknames
didn't as she grew up and expressed that

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she didn't like the nicknames that she
would be given. But one finally did,

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and that was Boo. Because Debriy, with her fiery spirit, was

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reminiscent of a grown man twice her
size that probably went by the nickname Boo.

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Okay, that works. Yep,
It's like it's funny. It's so

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funny to me, and I think
the nickname definitely suited her, So DeVry

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was Boo. As Debray got older
and Debbie battled with her health, Debrie

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stood by her mom and helped take
care of her. They were so close

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and their relationship or mind me of
ours, Debbie told her daughter similar things

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that you've told me growing up,
like how if I were at a party

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and drinking to call you, you
would come get me, no questions asked.

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And that was how Debbie was with
her daughters to mom after my own

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life. It's all about keeping you
guys safe, exactly. And she told

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him that they could be honest with
her and tell her anything, no matter

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what. And I honestly, I
wish I could play the entire hour long

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phone call I had with Debbie,
because she just regaled me with stories of

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debriis. And not only did Deburie
sound like a riot, but Debbie is

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a riot as well. Now,
Debbie, while having grown up in cal

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City herself, actually raised her daughters
in Montana. And she told me how

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about eight years ago she and her
family moved back to cal City. Now,

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they were only supposed to be there
for about six months fixing up the

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house and then they were gonna move
on, But they were still there,

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and Debbie is still there even now. But they were still there in June

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of twenty sixteen when Devery was killed. Now, on the evening of June

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twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, Debry
was twenty three years old, and she

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was leaving the house to go to
the store with the front of hers She

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had asked Debbie if when she returned, she could take the car to grab

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some food at Taco Bell, which
was about two towns over Now, that

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night, Debbie was exhausted. She
told me that the truck had broken down

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earlier in the day and they were
stuck in one hundred plus degree weather in

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the desert for hours before they got
home. So soon after Debray left to

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go to the store with her friend, Debbie fell asleep. So the next

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morning, around nine to thirty ish
in the morning, Debbie's mom texted Debbie

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after receiving a NIXEL alert. Now, next, alerts are an alert you

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can receive on your phone for different
things in your area, sep your weather,

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criminal activity, missing persons alerts,
things like that. And the police

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or whoever sends out these alerts to
whoever subscribed, and you'll get them right

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on your So, Debbie's mother had
gotten an alert about a body that had

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been found in a park across the
street from where Debbie lived. Now,

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prior to getting this message, Debbie
was not concerned so that Debris wasn't home.

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She was an adult, She was
a badass, and Debbie knew that

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Debry could handle herself. However,
after getting this message, Debbie tried to

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get in contact with her daughter,
calling and texting Debrie demanding she called back.

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This was in sos, you need
to get back to me, but

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Debury never answered. So Debbie got
in the car and drove around to the

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houses of Debrie's friends looking for her, but no one had seen her.

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Debbie returned home around four o'clock and
soon after was told by her roommate that

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the police were at the door,
and Debbie just knew. The police confirmed

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her worst fear that the body found
across the street was that of her daughter

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and that she had been murdered,
she was strangled. But didn't she go

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to the store with her friend,
like where was her friend? Or to

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get into the investigation. But that
was where my thought process was as well,

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what about her friend? Now?
They actually couldn't determine a time of

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death for Debris as it took so
long for the coroner to get there to

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do a preliminary examination due to a
devastating fire with many casualties that had happened

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farther away. I think it was
like sixty miles away or something, so

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the corner was there, okay.
So by the time the coroner arrived,

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Debry had been in the sun all
day. And if you're curious, there

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is actually a law in most states
that a body cannot be moved from where

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they have died until a coroner arrives
to do this preliminary examination and make a

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pronunciation of death, which would be
why she was not moved, even though

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they had to wait so long.
Now, Debry's body had been discovered that

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morning by a few children, and
they called over one of the mothers,

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who called the police. They had
gone to believe there was an apartment complex

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nearby, and they ran home,
got one of the mombs and came back.

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So she calls the police. And
this part it makes my blood boil.

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While waiting for the police to arrive, something possessed this woman to photograph

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debris and post the images to social
media. Why in the hell would you

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do that? I don't, I
can't, like I can't wrap my brain

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around it. And even when I
was talking to Debbie about it, I

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was flabbergasted. What would possess a
person to do that. This is someone's

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child, this is someone's loved one, sister and wife. I mean,

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she was old enough, she was
an adult, she could have had children.

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Why would you do that? I
have no idea, I have no

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idea. I mean the pictures were
taken down almost immediately. But from what

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Debbie told me, this woman tried
to say that the police told her to

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take the pictures, which is obviously
not true, and no law enforcement officer

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ever anywhere would be like, yeah, take pictures and post them online of

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this decedent. Never, absolutely never, And in fact, Debrie's time of

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death is actually listed as when the
woman called the police, which is interesting

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to me because the woman, as
Debbie rightly told me, was not qualified

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to make that determination, nor did
she have the right to do so.

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But that is when Debries's time of
death is listed, is when this woman

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found her. And we'll come back
to that, because just talking about it

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now is just it makes me see
like it. In terms of the investigation,

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Debrie's was more involved than the other
cases that are unsolved in Kal's city,

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and that primarily is because of Debbie
taking the investigation into her own hands.

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And that's not to say that the
police weren't doing their jobs. They

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were, and Debbie was very She
told me she absolutely appreciated the police and

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the detectives working on her daughter's case, but a lot of the investigating they

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were able to do was due to
the leads that Debbie herself was following up

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on Debbie had told me that she
put herself in a lot of dangerous situations

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getting information. I'm sure she did, because there's nothing that a mom or

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a father, you know, dad, would not do. They would walk

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through the fires of hell for their
children. It's point blank walk through the

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fires of hell, no questions asked. So I can one percent see Debbie

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doing whatever it took and whatever it
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or persons that committed this heinous crime. Absolutely. Now for our For an

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example, the friend that Debry went
to the store with that night wasn't even

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questioned for the first six months,
as he had just like fallen off the

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face of the earth, until Debbie
had heard that moving vans were outside of

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his house and she alerted the police
that he was apparently going to move.

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She's like, you need to go
talk to him now, he's going to

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leave. So they did manage to
catch him before he left town. It

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was I think by the time they
got like all the paperwork in order,

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he was like almost at city limits
when they caught up to him. But

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they caught up to him and they
interviewed him and this friend was ultimately cleared

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his DNA was not a match to
the DNA collected from Debury, and so

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it was pretty definitive that he wasn't
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though him falling off the face of
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of suspicious. Well, I wasn't
saying anything about the friend. I just

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thought if they were together, maybe
this person, this friend, would have

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had information. Oh no, absolutely
absolutely, but he so it wasn't you

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know, it wasn't a slam to
the friend. Do not get me wrong,

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people, It was not a slam. It was just if they had

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gone together, maybe he had information. Oh, she met somebody, she

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you know, she decided to go
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they were the last ones that saw
her. No. Absolutely, but he,

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at least from what I can tell, didn't really have any helpful information

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for police, and he was cleared
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none of the children that were there
when Debray was found wherever interviewed, and

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these children were all under the age
of eighteen, so the parents had to

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consent for them to be interviewed,
and none of the parents agreed to it,

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which is just astounding to me.
And I had said this to Debbie,

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this is this is one of those
situations where I don't have to imagine

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what I would do, Like I
know I would be consenting because my thought

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process would be as a mother,
if my child could potentially give information to

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help get answers for another mother's murdered
child, my kids would absolutely be at

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the police station talking to police.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that exactly.

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Like I'm sure there's gonna be people
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it's not like you're talking to a
toddler exactly. These were I mean,

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they were children. I don't I
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I just know they were, you
know, they were old enough to

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be playing in the park like by
themselves. So it's not like they were

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like four or five years old.
Well that's what I mean. They're They're

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not little little children where you know
it might be or I'm sure it would

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be very traumatizing. And I'm not
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an older child, don't get me
wrong, but you know, if they

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they could potentially have information, yeah, it was more or less. You

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know, maybe they saw someone in
the park that they didn't recognize, or

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someone that they did recognize, you
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I am fully under the belief that
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not even on the police. That's
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they can't do anything without that consent. And it's ridiculous to me that none

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of the parents said, yes,
you can talk to my child. I

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agree with you. Now. Unfortunately, Debrie's case went cold pretty quickly,

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and a lot of that had to
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mentioned in the beginning. But while
the police may have been unable to really

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work on Debrie's case the way it
should be worked on Debbie was not giving

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up. Remember those pictures that the
woman took, How could I forget?

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Well, two years after Debris was
murdered, Debbie had them reenacted. Sergeant

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Shannon Hayes, who is working on
Debrie's case and who Debbie commended for his

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work and for putting up with her
quote, it was rather shocking to see

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the recreation she had with her friend
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It's kind of hard to look at, which was the point in that

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same article Debbie had said, quote, I want everyone to see what I

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see in my head every day.
I don't know what else to do to

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get somebody's attention. Somebody somewhere knows
something. Nobody can tell me that that's

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not true. Somebody probably has kids, and maybe if they see their kid

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laying there, I just need someone
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The whole reenactment is honestly powerful to
me. First of all, I

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hope that the woman that took the
picture saw the reenactment and knows that what

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she did was horrific and disgusting.
And second of all, I hope that

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the person who did this saw that
and the gravity of what they did punsies

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them in the face. Like I
hope it haunts them. I would hope

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it would haunt them too. But
there's a lot of people out there that

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I wish their actions would haunt them, some of these cases that we've covered.

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That same year. Inspired by the
movie Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri,

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Debbie put up her own billboards.
Now. In the movie, a

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mother puts the billboards where her daughter
was killed, urging police to solve her

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daughter's murder, and Debbie did the
same thing. She placed three billboards on

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California City Boulevard. That's say quote, bust and grow houses is good,

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Busting killers is better. DeBie Schiller, October ninety two, June sixteen,

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Murder Unsolved. This was in response
to the fact that while Debbie understands resources

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for police are limited, it seems
as if the resources they do have are

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being used to bust marijuana growers instead
of solving the cold cases that are haunting

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Cow City. According to kron four, California City had seen a mass amount

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of marijuana aids in twenty eighteen,
which is frustrating because, as confirmed by

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Sergeant Hayes, it was absolutely taking
resources away from these murder investigations. As

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Debbie told me, the focus was
put on these busts because medical marijuana had

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been legalized and these illegal growers were
taking the profit, which absolutely makes sense

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as to why there was a focus, like, of course they were going

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to bust the growers because they and
by day I need the government wasn't making

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money on the medical marijuana if people
were going out and buying it from other

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people. But all of their focus
was on that, and that should not

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have been the priority. No,
absolutely not. Now, I will say,

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well, there may not be an
official suspect. Debbie firmly believes she

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knows who is responsible for Debris's murder. Now, I obviously cannot say absolutely

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that this is the case, and
that's for legal reasons. But I can

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tell you that Debris had a boyfriend
by the name of Jerome Williams at the

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time of her death. Now,
Jerome, needless to say, is not

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what I would call an upstanding member
of society. He has a track record

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as long as is my arm,
for various things, and was arrested in

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September of twenty twenty two according to
the Desert News for quote suspicion of attempted,

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wilful, deliberate or premeditated murder,
suspicion of assault with a firearm on

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a person, shooting at an inhabited
dwelling or vehicle, et cetera, attempted,

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willful, deliberate or premeditated murder,
driving without a license, hid and

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run resulting in property damage, discharging
a firearm in a negligent manner, addict

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in possession of firearms, and violation
of probation. Just in one month.

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That seems a little bit much,
meaning I don't understand how this person was

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still walking around free with this laundry
list of crimes that they have either committed

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or they were suspected of committing.
And you know, if you break pro

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probation, that's kind of a it's
not a get out of jail free card,

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that's a go right back into jail
card. That's what I'm saying now.

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Debbie told me that she knew that
Debry wanted to break up with Jerome.

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Devery was sick of the bullshit.
And what Debbie thinks may have happened

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again this is not confirmed, is
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Jerome and Debry were in the park. Jerome must have met up with her

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at some point after she got back
from the store, and she tried to

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break up with him, and things
got hostile, and Devere, being someone

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who was not afraid to stand up
to anyone, didn't back down and things

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turned violent. Was there any I
want to say, forensic evidence either on

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her body or near her body,
or were they you know, bruising.

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I'm trying to, you know,
understand the I want to say, what

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she had gone through that night that
she was murdered. And why he wasn't

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looked into. So there is DNA
evidence in Debry's case. The problem is

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that this evidence is circumstantial. If
Jeram's DNA was on Devery's person, say,

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under her fingernails, that doesn't necessarily
prove anything. And Debbie had described

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it very accurately because I didn't I
didn't think of it at the time,

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and I asked her this question,
if I scratch her back, your DNA

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is under my fingernails. No,
that I that I fully understood. So,

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but if something were to have happened
to you, your DNA is under

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my fingernails. But they can't say
I did anything because it's circumstantial. I

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scratched her back. You know,
she's my mom. You know, if

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the police talked to him, it
could be the same thing where we found

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your DNA under her fingernails while we
were in a relationship. No, I

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fully get all of that. But
all you've told us so far is that

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she was found in the park.
No, nothing else was related. No,

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absolutely, and I understand what you're
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lot of evidence, at least evidence
that I'm pretty to because it's still an

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ongoing investigation. Again, there is
DNA evidence, DNA evidence that I am

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assuming is linking back to Jerome,
but without any thing concrete, the DA

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will not move forward even if he
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they, in their mind, I
guess, do not have a strong enough

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case against him, even though he
is a career criminal and has been arrested

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for attempted murder at least once,
if not more than ones. Well,

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let me let me play. Let
me pose this question that if the only

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DNA that was found on her under
her fingernails, on you know, on

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her hand, if the only DNA
is one person's DNA, then wouldn't that

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one person have at least some explaining
to do. I agree. Have they

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talked to him in regards to her
murder? I don't know. They have

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no idea. Well, as you
said, they found DNA, yes,

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so if it's not his DNA,
then they need to look for the DNA

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match. You know, they have
all of these these brand new things,

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not really codis, and you know, all these different databases. Now,

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I'm not saying this person has a
record or anything like that. They may

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not be in any of these databases, but at least one person is in

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this it's in this database, which
would be her boyfriend or ex boyfriend or

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whatever you want to term him.
You already know he's in the database.

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So if the only DNA that is
found on her matches him, I would

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at least think there was some major
explaining to Dick. I agree, and

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I hope that they did talk to
him. Maybe they did talk to him

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and they have something, but not
enough. I I don't know. And

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she's frustrated with the DA as well. Ge I wonder why. I'd probably

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be camped outside of their office on
what you know, what are you doing

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for me today? What are you
doing for my daughter today? Because you

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haven't done much so far. So
yeah, I'd be camped out. And

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Debbie pretty much has been good for
her, absolutely good for her. She

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pretty much has been now. Unfortunately, as of today, Debie's case is

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still at a standstill and the cal
City Police still really don't have the resources

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to solve her case. And it's
not for lack of trying, but as

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I mentioned before, it's very difficult
to work a case when you really don't

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have very many people even working at
the police station. In fact, Debbie

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told me. There is currently only
one person going over the on solved cases

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right now, just one, because
that's all that can be afforded right now.

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And this is an older gentleman.
I believe he's retired, Like one

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person eight cases. Well, wouldn't
it be time for the cal City Police

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Department to hire more police officers that
have the correct and adequate training to do

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this? Didn't we go over another
case where there was actually a group of

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former detectives and FBI whatnot that they
look at cold cases? Is that not?

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Was that not one of the cases
that you covered? If I'm from

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my round correctly, it's Elizabeth Salgato
and the Utah Cold Case Coalition headed by

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Jason Jensen. But wasn't there another
like almost I know you just mentioned Utah,

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but wasn't there one that If anybody
can answer this question, I would

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very much like the answer to this
one, please. I thought there was

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one that was more or they handle
cases from all oh, all over,

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and I'm thinking of California and Shara
Resmusem's case where they had detectives specifically working

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on cold cases in California. Well, this would be a perfect case for

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them to investigate yes, I agree
it would be and part of the reason

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that there aren't enough police officers is
that cal City doesn't have the budget for

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more. I'm not gonna say anything
for that one. I just can't because

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I'll get on a soapbox and it
will be another hour or two before I

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get off. Since soapbox, Debbie
has been waiting almost eight years for answers

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in Debry's case, and frankly,
that's eight years too long. She is

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a woman fighting for an arrest to
be made, and she has worked tirelessly

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to get these answers. But it
has been a long fight with a lot

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of roadblocks. It is exhausting.
She is not in the best of health

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and it's a lot of work,
but she will not give up. She

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will continue to fight and call the
police every week to discuss the case and

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make as much noise as she can
raising hell until someone is named responsible for

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her daughter's murder. She calls every
Tuesday. Good for her, You go,

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girl, absolutely. Deburie was a
vibrant, beautiful, sassy woman who

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is dearely missed and her family deserves
answers. Debbie, I know you're listening,

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and I hope you get these answers, because I know you won't stop

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until you get them. If anyone
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please call Cal CITYPD at seven six
zero three seven three eight six zero

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six or secret Witness at six six' one three two two four zero four

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zero. I am fully on Debbie's
side. She is a mom that,

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as you said, will not stop. I fully am on her side with

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the fact that there is somebody out
there that knows something and they need to

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come forward. There should be no
fear in coming forward and do the right

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thing. I mean, it has
to haunt the person that knows something because

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they've kept silent for all of these
years. Knowing that you know this,

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this family is suffering, It would
certainly haunt me. I absolutely agree.

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I absolutely agree. It's frustrating,
and as I was researching this case,

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it was frustrating because there's there's still
no answers, and as Debbie said,

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you know, there's no there's no
just real justice because she won't ever get

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every back, but she at the
very least can see an arrest be made

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and someone be held accountable. Absolutely
with that, I hope someone out there

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hears this and can come forward with
any sort of information. And to Debbie,

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I hope and hope and hope and
pray that you get those answers and

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you an arrest is made because it's
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