Sept. 6, 2024

Chapter 83: A Romeo & Juliet Scenario-The Murder of Joanne Witt

Chapter 83: A Romeo & Juliet Scenario-The Murder of Joanne Witt

Joanne Witt knew better than anyone that parenting wasn't always the easiest job in the world, but when her 14-year-old daughter, Tylar, started hanging around with a much older teen named Steven Colver, things got a lot more difficult. When Joanne...

Joanne Witt knew better than anyone that parenting wasn't always the easiest job in the world, but when her 14-year-old daughter, Tylar, started hanging around with a much older teen named Steven Colver, things got a lot more difficult. When Joanne banned steven from coming around her daughter with the threat of pressing charges, Tylar and Steven came up with a plan to get Joanne off their backs so they could be together forever.

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Hi guys. I'm Courtney and I'm Lisa, and welcome to

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the next chapter in the Book of the Dead. Brought

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to you by dark Cast Network indie podcasts with a twist. Hello, Hello,

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Welcome to the next chapter in the Book of the Dead.

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The story I have for you today is about forbidden

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love and the lengths someone would go to to get

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what they want. A story where the perpetrators were likened

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to a twisted version of Romeo and Juliet. As most

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of you know, having probably read the famous Shakespeare play

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in school, Romeo and Juliet star cross lovers took their

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own lives to be together. They were from rival families

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and their love was forbidden, so they took matters into

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their own hands. Like Romeo and Juliet, the lovers in

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this story were prohibited from being together and they took

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drastic measures to change this. This is the murder of

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joe Anne Witt. Joe Anne Witt was born in Santa Clara, California,

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to Norb and Judy Wit on January twenty fifth, nineteen

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sixty two. She was described as a gourmet chef and

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a devoted friend. Norbes said quote she never had a

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bad word to say about anybody. She was one of

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four children in the whit household. She had two brothers

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and a sister, and when she was in her thirties,

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she became a single mother, raising a daughter she named

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Tyler in El Dorado Hills, California now El Dorado Hills

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is a suburb of Sacramento, California, with a population of

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over fifty thousand. It reportedly has a low crime rate,

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which a lot of appeal, and it's also very expensive.

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According to payscale dot com, the housing expenses are one

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hundred and forty seven percent higher than the national average,

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and utilities are twelve percent higher. Transportation fare like buses

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and gas are twenty two percent higher, and the cost

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of groceries is eight percent higher. Obviously, to live in

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an area like this, one needs to have a good job,

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and Joanne did. She had a master's degree in mechanical

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engineering and worked as an engineer for El Dorado County.

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According to ABC News, she and the father of her

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child broke up while Joanne was still pregnant with Tyler,

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and she raised her by herself. Joanne and Tyler lived

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in a gated community and Joanne provided Tyler with as

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many opportunities as she could, like acting classes and writing lessons,

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and taking Tyler on various traps hips. Tyler told twenty

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twenty how her mom was a skilled cook and very

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much a tomboy as well as an accomplished engineer. Tyler

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said quote, she was a lot like a dad. What

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other mom catches snakes and lizards and puts them into

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an aquarium. I don't think I ever appreciated what my

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mom did for me. When you were a kid, the

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only thing that you see are parents doing stuff for

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you and then punishing you. Now, Joanne and Tyler did

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have a tumultuous relationship, beginning from very early on. When

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Tyler was in preschool, she had shown up to class

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with suspicious bruises, and according to what Joanne's sister Mary

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told ABC, Joanne admitted to getting angry while driving Tyler

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to school and pulled over, dragging Tyler from the car,

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smacking her, and hitting Tyler with a belt. This was

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reported and Tyler was removed from Joanne's care while she

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was ordered to attend anger management classes. Joane completed the

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classes and vowed that it would never happen again. It

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never did, but Tyler and Joanne's relationship continued to suffer

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as Tyler grew into a teenager. Tyler claims this was

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due to a secret drinking problem that Joanne had, but

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I couldn't substantiate that. What I can tell you is

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that reportedly Joanne was trying really hard. But parents and

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children argue, and many of these arguments stems from Tyler

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wanting to know who her father was. Joanne wouldn't tell her,

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and Mary claimed it was because Joanne didn't want him

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in their lives. However, according to Joanne's friend Rock San Jergeit,

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Joanne lived in fear of disciplining Tyler too strongly in

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the event Tyler would call CPS. Tyler apparently took advantage

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of this fear and would make veiled threats about calling

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if her mom told her no when she wanted to

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do something. In December of two thousand eight, Joanne was

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forty seven and Tyler was fourteen when she started spending

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time at a local coffee shop. According to medium dot com,

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at this coffee shop is where Tyler met nineteen year

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old Stephen Culver. Stephen had just started at the local

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community college. He dressed in black gothic clothing, and Tyler

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was completely enamored by him. They started talking almost every day,

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and before long they had entered into a sexual relationship,

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something that Tyler hid from Joanne. To her mother, who

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was concerned about the possibility of Tyler dating Stephen given

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their age gap, Tyler said they were just good friends.

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He was like a big brother to her. She also

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told joe Anne that Stephen, who went by the nickname Boston,

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was gay. Now Joanne seemed to believe her daughter, even

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though others in their lives had their reservations, but Tyler

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continued to see him, saying that he was a great

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listener and he was there for her. Quote. I had

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had a really bad day. I called him up and

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said I just needed someone to talk to. He would

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come by my house and we would just talk. But

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Stephen was also introducing Tyler to things that were dangerous.

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According to Joanne's father, Norb he told ABC quote, he

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had a fourteen year old that looked at him as

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a god. I mean he had total control over her.

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We knew that drugs were involved. They were into marijuana,

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ex c cocaine. What does that do to someone's mind?

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A few months into their relationship. In March or April

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of two thousand and nine, Joanne was looking for someone

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to rent a room in her house to help with

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the mortgage payment, and Tyler suggested that Steven be the

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one to move in now. According to all sources, everyone

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in joe Anne's life told her that Stephen moving in

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was a very bad idea. Norbes said quote no one,

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every friend she had, everyone in the family did not

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want him in there. But Joanne was very strong willed,

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so Stephen moved in. Joe Anne said that he could

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be there to help Tyler with her homework, and he

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would be paying five hundred dollars a month in rent

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to help out with the mortgage. However, Joanne would soon

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grow suspicious about Tyler and Steven's relationship, noticing that they

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were far closer than she had anticipated. On May fourteenth,

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according to Medium, Joanne went looking for Tyler in the

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house but couldn't find her, so she knocked on Stephen's door.

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After a few minutes, Steven opened the door. He was

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shirtless and in the closet naked was Tyler, hiding and

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covering herself with her discarded clothing. Joanne immediately decided that

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Stephen needed to go, so she called up two of

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her coworkers to help get Stephen out of the house.

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Vinnie Capetano told ABC, quote, she said she was going

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to kick Stephen out and she didn't want to be

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there alone. So Vinnie and the other coworker came in

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brought all of Stephen's belongings to the curb. Vinnie said, quote,

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the first thing I said to him is if it

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was me, you'd be in jail right now. Joanne did

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want to call the cops, mind you, but Tyler begged

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her not to. Joanne told Stephen that she wouldn't if

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he cut all contact with her daughter, and Vinnie said,

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in an effort to intimidate Stephen into leaving Tyler alone, quote,

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you know, if you make contact with Tyler again, either

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by phone or in person, I'm going to hurt you,

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and I'm going to hurt you East Coast style, not

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West Coast style. But Stephen was unfazed by threats of

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Bottler harm or the police because he and Tyler continued

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to see each other while Joanne was working or late

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at night while joe Aanne was asleep. A few days

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after the discovery, of their relationship. Tyler disappeared to a

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friend's house, and Joanne, in a panic, called the police

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and told them about what had happened with Stephen. When

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Tyler was found later that day, police questioned her about

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having a sexual relationship with Stephen, but she denied it.

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According to Medium, she admitted being in his room without

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clothes on, but she claimed she was trying on different

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outfits to get his opinion when her mom walked in,

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it was just a misunderstanding. Police pulled Stephen into the

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station to speak to him as well, but his story

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was the same as Tyler's. Lacking proof, the police let

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Tyler go back home and nothing happened regarding an arrest.

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After this incident with the police, Tyler and Joanne's relationship

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continued to deteriorate. She was still talking to and seeing

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Stephen behind Joanne's back, and Joanne was frustrated with her

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daughter's rebellion. This led to explosive arguments between the two,

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and Tyler started making claims to CPS that Joanne was

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beating her, but there was never any evidence to prove that.

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No bruises, no marks, nothing. At some point, the police

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recalled by Tyler pretending to be Joanne, saying that her

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daughter had assaulted her, hoping the police would remove her

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from her mother's custody because in Tyler's mind, being in

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juvie was better than being with her mom. Now, Joanne

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did get on the phone trying to explain the situation

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and told the dispatcher that she didn't know she was

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safe in her home, as Tyler had started throwing things

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at her, and that she had in fact attacked joe Anne.

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She had a cut on her chin and bruises on

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her arm. So Tyler was placed in a juvenile detention center,

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but ultimately released when Joanne decided not to press charges.

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Yes the situation would escalate, however, when Joanne found Tyler's

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diary in June of two thousand and nine. In the diary, Tyler,

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much to Joanne's horror, had written a detailed account of

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all of her sexual encounters to Stephen. It was cold,

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hard proof that Stephen had committed statutory rape. In the diary,

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Tyler also had written multiple times that she wished death

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on her mother for trying to keep Stephen away, something

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that she had also told her friends as well. Joanne

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brought the diary to the police and showed them the

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evidence they needed to arrest Stephen. Now to give you

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an understanding of the age of consent laws and statutory

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rape in California, because it's different depending on where you live,

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I'll give you a quick rundown. According to Goodelinlaw dot com,

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the age of consent in California is eighteen years old,

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meaning that someone under the age of eighteen is considered

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a minor and cannot consent to sexual activity. A person

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engaging in sexual acts with someone under eighteen can be

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charged with statutory rape. Now. Statutory rape is defined as

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a criminal offense that occurs when someone engages in sexual

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activity with someone under the age of eighteen, regardless of

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whether or not the minor consents. The consequences vary depending

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on the degree of the charge. If an adult engages

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in sexual activity with a minor and there is less

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than a three year age gap, they will be charged

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with the misdemeanor, which carries a maximum sentence of one

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year in jail. If the miner is over three years younger,

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the charge can be a misdemeanor or a felony, and

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the felony conviction carries a jail term of one to

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three years. If the adult is twenty one or older

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and the miner is sixteen or younger, the adult will

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be charged with felony and the jail sentence can vary

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from one to four years. Now, again, these are statutory

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charges or consequences for statutory charges, which is different than

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sexual abuse relating to a child. They're two totally different things,

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which is why the sentence is not as harsh. Now,

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some people may hear this and go they should be

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getting more, and it obviously would depend on the situation.

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But again, these are statutory charges. They're different. In Stephen

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and Tyler's case, Stephen was potentially looking at a felony

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charge as Tyler was at minimum four years younger than him,

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but again it could have been a misdemeanor. It really

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depended on what the prosecution wanted. Now. According to a

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witness named Rosanne Perez, who worked at Jonie's Cafe and

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Grill in Shingle Springs, Tyler and Joanne came in for

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dinner on June tenth of two thousand and nine. According

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to Roseanne, she was so shocked by the look on

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Tyler's face when they walked in that she actually hesitated

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going up to them. According to an article for Village

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life dot Com, Roseanne said, quote, It's something I'll never forget.

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It was a blank stare. I've waited on hundreds of

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thousands of people, but I have never seen a blank

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stare like that. Roseanne also overheard a conversation between the

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two where Joanne allegedly told Tyler that she had made

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a complaint against steep And for statutory rape. Quote she said,

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I want you to know I have filed statutory rate

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charges against him. You know he's in real trouble. But

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according to Roseanne, Tyler had no reaction to this quote.

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It was as if her mom didn't exist. It's as

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if nothing existed. Although I will say that Tyler herself

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claimed that when she learned her mother had turned over

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her diary to the police, she completely freaked out. She said,

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according to ABC, quote, I went into a full blown

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panic attack, hy preventilating, screaming, shaking. Everything was in that diary.

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There was no way he was going to get out

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of the charges now, as I said. Rosanne claimed, they

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came in on the tenth, but it is possible that

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Tyler learned about the charges prior to this day either way,

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She went to Stephen and they tried to figure out

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what to do, including a Romeo and Juliette scenario. Now,

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this scenario meant that they were going to take their

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own lives in order to be together forever, but Stephen

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said that that would be a last resort. However, Tyler

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insisted they were at the last resort, so Tyler came

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up with a plan for them to run away to

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San Francisco, drugging her mom so that Joanne would be

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delayed in calling the police looking for her. Late in

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the evening on June eleventh, Tyler and Stephens snuck away

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from Joanne's home and met up with one of Steven's

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friends named Matt Whitman. At Matt's house, Tyler and stevens

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eyed their hair black before leaving with Matt to meet

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up with more friends and buy drugs, after which they

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went to Steven's father's house, which was empty as it

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had been put up for sale. While they were there,

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Stephen and Tyler told Matt that Stephen had killed Joanne.

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He claimed to have stabbed Joanne with a knife before

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sneaking Tyler out of the house. He even went to

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his car and produced the bloody knife as proof. According

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to medium dot com, Steven's father allegedly showed up at

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the house around this time. Now it's possible that neighbors

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had called him saying someone was there, knowing that the

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house was empty, but I couldn't say for sure why

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he decided to go to the house, or if that

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was even true. Either way, the three of them flee

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the home, dropped Matt off at his house, and Tyler

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and Stephen drove off to San Francisco. It would be

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three days before anyone would learn about joe Anne's faith.

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On June fifteenth, Norvin, Joanne's parents had been home for

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just a few days after a two month cross country

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trip in their RV, when they got a call from

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joe Anne's boss, who was very worried about her. According

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to joe Anne's boss, she hadn't been to work on

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Friday the twelfth, nor did she show up that day

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a Monday. That was odd enough, because she was a

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very reliable employee. But what was even stranger was that

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Joanne had not called to inform her boss she wouldn't

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be coming in Norvin. Judy told her boss that they

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only lived two miles away, so they were going to

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drive right over to see if she was all right,

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but Joanne's boss said that he had already called the

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police to do a welfare check. He told Norb and

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Judy that Joanne had confided in her co workers that

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she was having problems with Tyler, and they were very concerned.

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Norb told forty eight hours quote, I got in the

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car and got over there so fast. I think I

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was in a daze. By the time I got there,

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there was two sheriff cars and two deputies out there

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walking around the house. Norb told police he could unlock

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the door for them, and he and Judy were told

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to wait outside while police had a look around. Soon enough,

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they came back and told them that Joanne was in

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her upstairs bedroom and she was dead. Norb said, quote,

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they never said killed or murdered, they just said deceased.

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So we didn't know what was going on. But when

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the CSI van came in and we had probably twenty

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detectives working the place, we knew that she had been killed.

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During their investigation of the scene, Joanne's bedroom was in disarray.

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The sheets were thrown back, and she was laying on

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top of the bed with her hands up in a

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defensive position. She had been covered with a sheet, and

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she had sustained twenty stab wounds, one of which almost

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decapitated her. It was determined that Joanne had most likely

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been killed with a ten inch chef's knife, the location

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of which they didn't know. All police knew was that

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it wasn't in the house. The next thing noorbn Judy

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were concerned with, though, was the whereabouts of their fourteen

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year old granddaughter. She was nowhere to be found, and

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they worried she had been kidnapped. However, pretty quickly police

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set their sights on Tyler, not as a victim, but

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as a suspect, as investigators learned about the ongoing investigation

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into Stephen Culver for statutory rape charges submitted by Joanne.

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So now police are trying to figure out where they are.

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They put out a bolo and are letting police know

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in other counties to keep an eye out for Steven

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and Tyler, who are persons of interest Joanne's murder. Meanwhile,

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in San Francisco, Steven and Tyler have checked into a

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holiday inn and sent Matt Whitman their suicide letters. They

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attempted to end their lives by eating cake and candy

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lease with rat poison, but they stopped before they could

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eat enough to cause their deaths. They tried other methods

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to end their lives, and even contemplated jumping from the roof,

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but Tyler was too afraid of heights to go through

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with it. According to medium dot com, they soon ran

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out of ideas and instead got on a train to

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San Bruno. While there, they were spotted by police changing

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their clothes behind a mall and promptly arrested. Upon their arrest,

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Tyler insisted her mother was fine, and they both insisted

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they were innocent, but police had spoken to Matt Whitman,

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who gave police the suicide notes and told police about Stephen,

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admitting to him that he had been the one to

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kill joe Anne. Before long, Stephen and Tyler had turned

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on each other, saying that the other was responsible. According

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to Stephen, when he arrived to Joanne's home to get Tyler,

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Joanne was already dead and that he lied about being

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the one to kill her to protect his girlfriend. According

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to Jan Culver, Steven's mother, lying to protect someone he

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cared about was something he would do she said quote

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he would care about others before himself, to his detriment,

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Stephen is the kind of guy who would dive off

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a cliff, or jump in front of a bullet, or

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run into a burning home for a friend. Stephen claimed

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that Tyler had come to the door covered in blood,

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holding the knife she used to kill Joanne, but police

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never found any evidence of blood anywhere except in Joanne's bedroom. Additionally,

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police had found DNA evidence under Joanne's nails. While there

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wasn't enough to build a full profile to match to anybody,

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experts were able to conclude that the DNA came from

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a male. Now, Tyler was obviously telling a different story.

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According to her, Stephen had shown up at her house

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with his own knife, although police believed they took one

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from the kitchen before creeping up the stairs to Joanne's bedroom.

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When it was time to go in, Tyler refused and

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fell to the ground covering her ears as Stephen killed

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her mother. In the two years before the trial began,

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Tyler also allegedly took a polygraph, which she passed, but

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she was unable to remember which one of them came

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up with the idea to kill her mother. She was

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also not considered a credible witness, as she had lied

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various times to police before the murder about her relationship

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with Stephen. A psychiatrist even claimed she was sociopathic. However,

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as the trial drew closer, Tyler, now sixteen, struck a

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deal with prosecution. She would testify again on Stephen, cooperate

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with police and tell them where they had hid in

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the knife in exchange for a lesser sentence of second

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degree murder. Now, police, even with Tyler's help, never found

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the murder weapon. She claimed she threw it down a

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storm drain, and it is believed the storms washed it away.

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During the trial, when asked why she had taken the

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plea deal, Tyler claimed she had found God and was

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compelled by him to tell the truth. During her testimony,

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she claimed they had both come up with the plant

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to stab Joanne and that they could use a knife

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from the home, but Stephen said he would provide one,

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but when it came time to actually committing the murder quote,

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I couldn't do it. I couldn't go inside. I put

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my hands over my ears, closed my eyes and hummed.

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She also admitted to lying about her relationship with Stephen

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and revealed that she had frequently told her friends she

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wished her mother would die. And cross examination, Tyler also

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told the court how she had a demon living inside

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of her named Toby and an angel named Alex. Quote

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three souls in one body. Toby's very cold. She holds

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everyone in contempt. Tyler described how she would have done

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anything for Stephen quote I trusted him more than anyone,

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and I loved him more than anybody or anything. If

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he told me to jump off a bridge and I

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asked him why and he said, just trust me, I

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would have done it. Ultimately. In June of twenty eleven,

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Stephen Culver was sentenced to life in prison for the

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murder of joe Annwitt. In response, Deputy District Attorney Lisette

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Suitors said, quote, mister Culver took the life of a

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person who took him in, adding that his apparent lack

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of remorse was enraging, and Judge Daniel Proud said, quote

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no person deserves to die in the manner that took

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place for Tyler. She was sentenced to fifteen years in

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prison for second degree murder due to the plea agreement

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she took. Judge Prowd told her quote, this was a

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brutal murder. The court has seen no emotion or even

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remorse for the loss of your mother. I'm sorry for you, miswit,

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because the person who loved you most in this world

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and without reservation, is gone. Tyler was not eligible for

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parole until last month, but she was apparently released in

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twenty twenty two at the age of twenty eight. The

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only information I could find of her now is that

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she seems to be going by the name Charlie. As

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for Stephen, while his mother had said after sentencing they

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would appeal, it looks like it never happened, because there

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hasn't been any updates on him since the trial concluded.

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This was a murder that didn't have to end the

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way it did. Tyler and Stephen were so afraid that

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he would end up in jail for the rest of

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his life for statutory rape, but according to ly said suitor,

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he most likely would have been charged with a misdemeanor

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and served a year at the most. Now Stephen is

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serving life in prison for murder instead of the two

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of them just owning up to having an inappropriate relationship.

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Joanne's murder was senseless and it's clear that she was

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simply trying to encourage her daughter to make smarter decisions

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about who she was entertaining a relationship with. But Tyler

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couldn't take no for an answer, and it seems as

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if Tyler's family, at least at the time of the trial,

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had completely dropped her, completely disowned her. In fact, Norbe

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had refused to see her until the trial had even started,

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so for two years because he couldn't look at her

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for what she had done to her mother. He did

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say in an interview with ABC that he had entertained

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the idea of forgiving Tyler, but he's not there yet

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and it's hard for him to separate the idea of

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the granddaughter he knew and loved with the girl that

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had done this. And as for jan Steven's mother, she

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still insists he's innocent. And then Tyler was the one

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to kill joe Anne, but I think he was rightfully

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so the one that did it. And what put the

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nail in the coffin for him was admitting to Matt

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Whitman that he had killed Joanne. The DNA under her

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fingernails definitely didn't help his case. There was no female

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DNA under there to indicate Tyler only male. This was

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definitely a sad case, and it's a case where it

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should have turned out so differently if they had just

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been honest with what was going on, but they didn't

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want to get in trouble and they made it so

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much much worse. I appreciate you guys for listening as

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always and keep an ear on for an episode that's

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going to drop with Yield Crime. I'm going to be

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on there. I have no idea where the when the

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episode is going to release on their platform, but yeah,

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I'm going to go hang out with Lindsay and do

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a little segment for them, and I'm very excited. It's

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going to be a lot of fun. In the meantime,

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I thank you for your patience. I know this episode

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is up later than it was supposed to be, but

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technology and me don't always get along, but it worked

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out in the end. So as always, have a wonderful

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week and I will see you in the next chapter

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of the Book of the Dead. Bye, guys, thank you

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so much for listening to this chapter of the Book

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of the Dead, and don't forget that you can always

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connect with us on Instagram. You can connect with us

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on Twitter and you can absolutely connects with us on Patreon.

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We also have a merch store as well that we

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have frequent discount codes coming out for so that you

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guys can get March hand drawn by myself at a

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better cost. We hope you have a lovely rest of

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your week and just remember please be kind and don't

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forget to always stay safe, stay curious, and stay vigilant.

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Bye guys, Bye,