Nov. 13, 2024

Novela 7-Hell Hath No Fury-The Betty Broderick Story w/ Love and Murder Podcast

Novela 7-Hell Hath No Fury-The Betty Broderick Story w/ Love and Murder Podcast

In today's episode, we bring you a guest episode from Love and Murder: Heartbreak to Homicide. Ky brings you the infamous Betty Broderick case, a story of love, betrayal, and murder. Betty, a once-devoted wife and mother, found herself at the center...

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In today's episode, we bring you a guest episode from Love and Murder: Heartbreak to Homicide. Ky brings you the infamous Betty Broderick case, a story of love, betrayal, and murder. Betty, a once-devoted wife and mother, found herself at the center of a scandalous double homicide after her bitter divorce from her ex-husband, Dan Broderick, and his new wife, Linda Kolkena. Raised in a strict Catholic household, Betty's life took a dark turn as her marriage crumbled, leading to years of resentment, emotional trauma, and ultimately, the murders.

Ky examines the events that pushed Betty to the edge, from her tumultuous relationship with Dan to the psychological and emotional toll that came with their separation. Was Betty driven to murder by Dan’s infidelity and manipulation, or was she a cold, calculated killer? Tune in and decide for yourself: Was Betty a victim or a villain? Share your thoughts in the comments below and visit Love and Murder for more true crime stories of love that turned to homicide.

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Now part of the dark Cast Network. Welcome to indie

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podcasts with a dark side. In today's episode, we talk

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about a case of the love turned to hatred, marriage

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dissolved and to revenge, and a double homicide that has been.

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Debated over for decades.

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By the end of this episode, I'll ask you to

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be the judge. We're talking about the case of Betting Broderick.

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Right now on Love and.

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Murder, Welcome, Welcome, everyone, Welcome, Old Lambs, Welcome New Lambs too.

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Love and Murder your weekly true crime podcast telling you

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of relationships that turned to homicide. I am your host, Kai,

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and in today's episode, I'm asking you to be the judge.

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We are talking about a case that throughout the years,

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people haven't decided if this person is guilty or not.

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get into this Love and Murder. Elizabeth and Biseglia, also

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known as Betty, was born in Bronxville, New York, on

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November seventh, nineteen forty seven. She was actually the third

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child of six children to parents Marita and Frank Bisseglia. Frank,

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her father, owned a very successful plaster in business, which

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was able to provide for his a large family. The family,

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coming from an Irish, American and Italian background, were also

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Catholics who ran a very strict household and expected obedience

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and high standards from their children. Coming from that background,

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Betty was raised to be a traditional wife.

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They didn't really raise her.

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According to Betty, they didn't really raise her to go

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to school, be a businesswoman. They raised her to be

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a traditional wife and support her husband. And I guess

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they did that with the rest of the girls and

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the boys. They raised them to be quote traditional men.

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Quote, go to Catholic schools.

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Be careful with dating until you find a Catholic man,

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support him while he works. Be blessed in your later

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years with beautiful grandchildren.

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End quote.

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This was a quote from Betty herself. She went to

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Maria Regina High School in Hartstille, New York, and was

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able to graduate in nineteen sixty five. After high school,

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she went to college, the College of Mount Saint Vincent

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in the Bronx, where she was able to do an

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accelerated program and got a degree in teaching for early

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childhood education with a minor in English. Now, while she

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was in college, one night she did go to a

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dance at a different college. She and her friends went

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over to the University of Notre Dame and this was

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in nineteen sixty five. This is the same year she

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was going to graduate. This is where she met Dan

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Broderick now Daniel T.

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Broderick.

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The third was born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He was the

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oldest child, the oldest son of a very large Irish

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Catholic family, so he has the Irish American background and

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the Catholic background, so he had a similar upbringing to Betty.

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When he met Betty, he was a twenty one year

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old medical student and at that time she was seventeen.

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They began talking at the dance and continued talking thereafter,

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and their relationship quickly progressed. Four years later, they actually

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got married on April twelfth.

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Nineteen sixty nine. Quote.

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Dan never once wavered from his goal of making me

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his wife. He would wait, he would do and say

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whatever was necessary, even agreeing with me when he didn't,

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and doing things I wanted to do and he didn't

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until he had me.

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Nobody ever used the terms obsessive, compulsive or stalker back then,

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but that's what he was.

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A Short time after they were married, Betty became pregnant

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with their first child, Kim, who was then born in

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nineteen seventy. After Kim was born, Dan completed his MD

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and then he decided that that's.

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Not all I want to do.

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I want to combine this medical degree with a law degree,

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so he enrolled in Harvard Law School and was accepted.

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Also after the wedding, according to Betty, Dan became very controlling.

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He took charge of the bank books and my paychecks,

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and I more or less had to do what he said.

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While all this is going on, Dan and Betty were

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also quickly having even more children, four to be exact.

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So they already have Kim, who was born in nineteen

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seventy Then they had another daughter, Lee, who was born

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in nineteen seventy one. They had a son named Daniel

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born in nineteen seventy six, and they had a son

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named Rhett born in nineteen seventy nine. They did have

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another unnamed baby, but this baby died four days after

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they were born. According to Betty, she was pregnant nine

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times during her marriage to Dan. She said Dan didn't

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allow her to use birth control. She said, in addition

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to the children that she currently has and the one

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who died, she also had two miscarriages and two abortions.

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Then after her last child died, she got her tubes

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tiedes because she just couldn't take it anymore and she

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didn't want to be pregnant anymore. Also, after her last

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child died, she said this was the first time she

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tried to commit suicide. Quote, I felt totally trapped with

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Dan and cut off from my family. I just wanted

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to escape from it all and die. I was twenty

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three and I couldn't face decades more of this existence.

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And in addition to this instance of trying to take

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her life, she says there was another time when she

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did try to take her life as well. While all

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this is going on, Dan is still in school. Betty

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is actually the main provider for the family. He's going

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to school on a student loan, but you still need

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to be able to eat, feed all the children that

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you're having, and everything like that. Betty was the one

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working and providing for the family while Dan went to school.

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After Dan graduated, he was quickly hired by a law

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firm in San Diego, California, and so he uprooted his

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family and moved over to San Diego to be able

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to work at this law firm, helping to now provide

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for his family. While he started this job, Betty continued

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working part time and she was selling tupperware and doing

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avon on the side. While she's continuing to support Dan

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and raising the children. So far, during the marriage, the

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couple constantly fought, and Betty usually threatened to leave Dan,

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and Dan would be like, go whatever. He just ignored

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her for the most part. So Dan worked as a

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medical malpractice attorney for that law firm in San Diego

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for three years, and in nineteen seventy eight he started

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his own law firm and started earning almost one million

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dollars a year. So that's one million dollars a year

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in nineteen seventy eight. And I did some math. Well

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I actually went to Google. I didn't actually do the math,

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but I did some math quote unquote, and figured out

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what one million dollars back then would be today, and

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it would be four point eight million dollars. So this

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dude started his own business and started pulling in four

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point eight million dollars a year. So now it's time

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for easy living, right Your wife supported you all through

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two schoolings, had all these kids for you, and was

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basically the backbone in you being able to make four

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point eight million dollars, So now it's just time for

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the happiness to roll in, right. Well, the marriage between

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Betty and Dan was quickly coming apart, Betty started to

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suspecting Dan of having an affear, especially when in the

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fall of nineteen eighty two, he hired a legal assistant

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who was a twenty one year old woman. Twenty one

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year old Linda Colkana had been a Delta Airlines flight

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attendance where she quit that job and wanted to find

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something new to do with her life, which is how

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she got this position of a legal assistant. Betty said

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she started suspecting an affair after she evesdropped on a

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conversation where they were at a celebration for the business

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and he heard Dan call in Linda quote studying. I mean,

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I don't think if I heard my husband call a

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woman studying, I'd be.

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Like, oh my god, you're having an affair because he

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thinks she's beautiful.

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I mean, the only thing that would make me make

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that jump to an affair is that he got her

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phone number or social media or whatever people are doing

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these days. But just because he called her beautiful, I mean,

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people are beautiful. There's people more beautiful than me. I'm

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keenly aware of that.

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That's okay.

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Anyways, When she kept accusing him of having an affair,

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he would constantly say that he's not having an affair,

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and when Betty told him to fire Linda, he said, no,

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I'm not firing her. So Betty said, quote that female

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had nothing on me. I'm prettier, smarter, classier. She is

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a dumb, uneducated tramp with no heritage or schooling or talent.

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He'll get over her and come back to me. Well,

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even with that mentality, she continued to accuse Dan of

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cheating on her, and by October nineteen eighty three, you

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can see that the marriage was really really crumbling. Well

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by November twenty second, nineteen eighty three, which was Dan's birthday,

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Betty couldn't take it anymore. What happened was she went

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to his business to surprise him for his birthday, only

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to discover that him and Linda had left for the day.

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I waited until like five, She's waiting for him to

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come back. While she's at the office, she's looking at

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and she noticed there were remnants of a party, meaning

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they had an office party.

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And that's after I saw the refrigerator and my wedding

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crystal in all this imported wine and the stereo and

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his photograph on Linda's table. The funny thing was it

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was a picture of him taken before we had been married.

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So when she saw all that, she just lost it.

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She went home, grabbed all of Dan's clothes, doused it

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in gasoline, and burned them in her backyard. She had

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a weight in to exhale moment. Now, I do want

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to clarify something for you. A lot of this information

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about their early life comes from Betty's words, So it

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actually comes from her memoir, which is called Betty Broderick

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Tellin On Myself. I want to make that abundantly clear

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because in the last week, out.

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Of all this time I've been doing this podcast, in.

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The last week, I've had like two people accuse me

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of making stuff up in my episodes. And as all

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my lambs know, well the old ones, all my old

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lambs know, I don't make anything up. I research research, research,

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and I retell you what I researched. And if I

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make anything up, I let it be abundantly clear. I'll

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tell you like, oh, that's how I imagined it in my

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head or whatever.

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But I don't make anything up.

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What would be the sense in that then I'm not

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actually giving you an accurate case, so you can form

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your opinions on what would be the sense in me

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making anything up. So also, the second reason I wanted

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to let you know where the information from the earliest

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parts of their life is coming from is because I'm

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letting you know that we're only getting one side of

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the story. We're only getting Betty's side of the story

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of how the marriage was, how it dissolved, and everything

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like that. So I just wanted you to understand that

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all the early life before the trial, all of that

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comes from Betty's memoir. So just wanted to make that clear.

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So after this happened, the couple separated in February of

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nineteen eighty five. Dan moved out, but Betty didn't want

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him to, but he was like, I can't take this anymore,

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and he moved out. But then again, on Betty's side,

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if you were so tired of all the stuff he's

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put you through, especially since you're saying that he's cheating

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on you, wouldn't you want him to move out?

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This is just my thoughts.

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Anyway, he moved out and then he filed for divorce

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later on in nineteen eighty five. According to Betty, throughout

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the divorce, Dan used his legal expertise to manipulate proceedings,

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manipulate custody arrangements, manipulate financial arrangements, and shield his assets.

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He moved into the family home.

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Betty wasn't allowed to be in the family home, but

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he was allowed to move back in and he managed

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to gain full custody of their children. But this little tidbit.

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He he got full custody of the children only after

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Betty would leave them on his doorstep one by one.

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So I guess she would be like, Oh, you don't

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want me to have, you know, spousal support. Take this child.

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Oh you left me for this wench, take this child,

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you know, like one of those. But maybe she did

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it out of anger. But it helped the case and

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he was able to get custody of the children. But

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according to Betty, through his manipulation, he was able to

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get access to the children. He restricted her access to

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the children, He restricted her access to financial resources, and

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left her isolated. So basically she just felt like she

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was by herself. While all this is happening, Linda moved

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now back to the show. Now, I'm not saying that

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he was definitely having an affair with her. It could

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be possible that he just had his eye on her.

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Maybe later on it could have turned to an affair.

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But this opportunity arose that. You know, he's leaving his

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wife and now he can be with Linda. Or he

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could have totally been having an affair. I don't know

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his side of the story. So this is leaving Betty

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feeling like she's going crazy. She's angry, she's frustrated, she's alone,

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and she started acting out. She started vandalizing Dan's property,

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she started making threats to Dan and his woman. She's

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claiming that Dan's making it hard for her to find

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a lawyer. Because he's a respected lawyer.

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Might have had making four point eight million dollars a year.

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Nobody wanted to contest him, So nobody wanted to take

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her on as a client, according to her, and represent

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her in a divorce goring against mister Dan Broderick.

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Are you serious?

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No?

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I no, Maybe you should find another lawyer.

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She also says, like I said before, she also believed

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and she's telling lawyers that Dan is using his influence

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in the legal community to win custody sole custody of

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their children. He's also selling the house, even though she

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doesn't want him to sell the house, and if he

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does sell the house, he's not going to give her

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her fear share of the sale profit. I don't know

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about all of that, but my question is, how are

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you saying that he used his manipulation to win sole

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custody of the children when you left them one by

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one on his door. So, just based on that information,

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I don't think he used his manipulation to get the kids.

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I think you left the kids.

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For whatever reason, you know, frustration, anger, whatever. I think

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you left your kids. And he pointed that out to

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the judge, and the judge agreed that that wasn't a

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stable household for the kids to be in, so they

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need to be with their father. This is just my

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opinion based on the information that I was given. So

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four years after Dan filed for divorce in nineteen eighty nine,

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the divorce was finalized. After the divorce was finalized, Betty's

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emotional health took a nosedive. She started to act more raund.

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She started leaving hundreds of messages on Dan's answering machine,

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cussing him out, cussing his wife out, which prompted Dan

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to then put a restrain in order against her. He

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actually had multiple restraining orders against her, which she would

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continuously ignore. She tore up areas of the house. She

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even one time drove her car through his front door,

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even though at the time that she did that, her

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children were inside the house. Dan, on the other side,

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tried to control Betty, or maintain control over Betty by

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every time she did something like, for instance, if she

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didn't listen to the restrain in order and she showed up,

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he wouldn't give her support payments. So, okay, you weren't

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supposed to come within five hundred feet of the house,

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yet here you are, so this month, I'm not giving

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you your two thousand dollars check, you know, stuff like that.

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So in addition to docking her payments, he would all

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send her letters, like legal letters.

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Saying cease and desist.

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And whatever other legal jargon you can say, to leave

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me the frick alone and stop doing that. All this

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in legal jargon, and even one time he had her

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temporarily admitted to a mental health institution. Betty described how

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she felt in going to court with Dan in these

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words quote It's as if you're putting a housewife in

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the ring with Muhammad Ali.

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That's how she felt.

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I think with everything going on, Betty was like, really,

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she's really coming apart mentally. She feels like she's being manipulated.

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She feels like she was replaced, she feels like she

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has no one in her corner. And I also have

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a kind of I have an idea of why this

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all is happening, but I'll save that to the end

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and i'll see if y'all agree with me.

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On April twenty.

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Second, nineteen eighty nine, Dan and Linda got married. Linda

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was so worried about Betty coming too her wedding and

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doing something crazy that she was pushing Dan to wear

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a bulletproof vest to their wedding because she thought, you know,

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because clearly she thought Betty would come and show up

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and shoot Dan or whatever. So she was trying to

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get him to wear bulletproof vest. But he didn't and Betty.

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Didn't show up at all.

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After the wedding, though, Betty would tell everybody that Linda

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had started mailing her facial cream and slimming ads, like,

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you know, telling her she's old and she's fat, here's

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you know, stuff like that. She also said that Linda

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would start taunting her and stuff like that. But my

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thing is, why start that after the wedding? Wouldn't you

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do that before the wedding? But you know, maybe it

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could happen.

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It could happen. I'm not saying it didn't.

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Then, on November fifth, nineteen eighty nine, at around five

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thirty am, Betty showed up at Dan's house. She used

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the key that she had taken from Kim to enter

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the house and walked around the house, probably making herself

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even more angry. This should be mine and this should

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be mine. I'm the one who put him through college.

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Da da da Da da da and When she got

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to Dan and Linda's bedroom, she saw them sleeping together.

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That's when she fired five shots with a thirty eight

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caliber revolver that she had just bought a month after

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Dan married Linda. Linda was hit twice in the neck

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and chest, killing her instantly, and Dan was injured when

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he was shot and the bullet fractured her rib penetrated

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his right lung. One bullet hit the wall and one

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bullet hit a nightstand. Dan was shot in this way

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because at this time he was reaching for the phone,

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and when Betty saw that, she ripped the phones out

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of the wall to stop anybody from calling for help.

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When this incident occurred, Betty was two days away from

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turning forty two, Dan was seventeen days away from turning

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forty five, and Linda was twenty eight years old. After

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this incident, she ran from the house, so police officers

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arrived at the scene to find two people fatally shot.

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They found Linda on the edge of the bed and

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Dan on the floor, both of them dead. Because police

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knew of the divorce, they knew of the multiple restraining

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orders and everything that was going on with this family.

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The first person they thought of who could do this

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was Betty.

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Now Betty.

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After she ran from the house, she called her daughter Lee,

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Lee and her boyfriend answered the phone and spoke to Betty,

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calmed her down, everything like that, and Betty later surrendered

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to police. When she was brought into an interrogation room,

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she did admit that she pulled the trigger, but she

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said she didn't mean to kill him. I didn't go

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over there to kill them. I just I wanted to

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talk to Dan, ask him what was wrong? Why did

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you leave me? Blah blah blah, And then I was

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going to commit suicide in front of him. I was

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not planning on going over there and committed murder. So

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police arrested her and charged her with two counts of murder.

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So if convicted of these two counts of murder, she

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could actually face a life in prison without the possibility

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of parole. She pled not guilty and was held without

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bail in the Las Colina's jail. Now, when this case

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went to trial, it actually happened in two separate trials,

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and we're going to get into that. Criminal defense attorney

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Jack Eely represented Betty, and Carrie Wells was the prosecutor

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for the state of California. Betty's defense was that she

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was a battered wife. She said over the years, Dan

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had basically driven her crazy through physical, mental abuse and

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psychological abuse. She said he would manipulate everything. He would

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gaslight her whatever, whatever, and make her question her perception

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of something happened, her memory, and just her sanity on

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a whole quote, no one has the right to take

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the life of another human being. However, Dan's consistent lies, minimizations,

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and calling Betty crazy fueled a lot of the animus

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in their relationship. Dan's constant denials of an affair escalated

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Betty's pre existent narcissistic personality, disorder and a need for order.

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They pointed out that although Betty would do things to

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then like throw things at him, talk bad about him

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to other people, lock him out of the house, and

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I guess ultimately kill him, this was because of her

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loss of control and she just couldn't take it anymore,

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which to me, that's a weak defense because she didn't

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have control. She did all these things to this man,

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and he was supposed to just take it like that's

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a week defense. He did what any rational human being

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would do, which is to leave. According to her, defense.

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00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.000
She did not go to that house with the premeditated

473
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.039
idea to murder anyone.

474
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:22.960
So basically your honor.

475
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.000
To be charged with first degree murder, you have to

476
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.599
have that idea of premeditated killing. But she did not

477
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.240
have that idea. She only wanted to go to the

478
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:36.480
house to confront him and then kill herself. Then they

479
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:41.680
presented evidence showing that Betty was suicidal. There was a

480
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.000
letter that she sent to her divorce lawyer and that

481
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.400
was in her own handwriting, that was a week.

482
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:52.400
Before the murders. That said, quote, I can't stand this anymore.

483
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:58.119
Constant threats of court, jail, contempt finds, etc. Which is

484
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:01.519
very scary to me. No matter what the evidence, I

485
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:05.240
always lose. And then another part of the letter says,

486
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:09.759
quote them always insinuating I'm crazy. So this is just

487
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:13.519
showing that, you know, she's slowly losing it. Well, the

488
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:18.119
prosecution portrayed her as a premeditated murderer. They pointed out

489
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.200
her calculated actions leading up to the crime. They even

490
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.039
had her boyfriend take the stand. Yes, throughout all of

491
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.559
this she had a boyfriend. Me personally, I thought she

492
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.359
was alone because she said she was isolated. She was alone,

493
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.240
everything like that she had a boyfriend, Bradley t Wright.

494
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:40.319
Bradley said they began dating in nineteen eighty five, and

495
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:43.759
nineteen eighty five is when Dan filed for divorce, So

496
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:47.200
you had a boyfriend this whole time. Well, he took

497
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:50.640
the stan and he was actually a prosecution witness. And

498
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:54.599
note that he's still with Betty even after she committed murder.

499
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.759
He still stayed there and supported her even though he's

500
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:02.599
testifying against her. Anyways, he took the stand and he

501
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.799
did say that she was suicidal, and he described flash

502
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.160
marks and scarring that Betty had all over her left arm,

503
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:13.759
and they even had Betty hold out her arm for

504
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:16.200
the jurors to see that she had these slash marks.

505
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.200
Even though he is a prosecution witness, the prosecution still

506
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.200
came back and said that all of this talk of

507
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:27.440
suicide and the suicide attempts were more for show and

508
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:33.079
not actual evidence of suicide attempts. And interestingly enough, it

509
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.839
was actually Bradley who found the bodies of Dan and Linda.

510
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.079
He told the court that he had spent the night

511
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.960
with Betty and when he woke up he saw she

512
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:46.759
was gone and that the phone was ringing. When he

513
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.319
picked up the phone, one of Betty's friends was on

514
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.599
the phone and she said, look, Bradley, you have to

515
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.119
go to Dan's house right now and make sure that

516
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.680
everything over there is okay. So he jumped in his car,

517
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.680
drove over to the house, and when he got to

518
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:05.039
the house, he's the one who found the bodies, the

519
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.000
bloody murder scene and everything like that, and he's the

520
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.960
one who called the cops. He also testified that although

521
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:15.880
she was suicidal, and although he was still in a

522
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.680
relationship with her after she murdered her ex husband and

523
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:22.319
she's going through a murder trial and he's vegan for

524
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:27.039
the prosecution. Anyways, even after all of that, he did

525
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.039
say that she did often speak of her hatred of Dan,

526
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.440
and she did often talk about her desire to kill

527
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:38.200
him and Linda. So I do want to point out

528
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.400
that in doing the research and some publications it said

529
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.839
he spoke of her being suicidal and in others he

530
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:47.000
spoke of her desire to kill them. They never put

531
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:50.039
the two in the same articles, So I didn't say

532
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.920
that he spoke of her being suicidal and he spoke

533
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.440
of her hatred for them. It was in different publications

534
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:58.759
that I read each one, so I just put it

535
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.559
together and I said, he said she was suicidal, and

536
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.680
he spoke of his desire to kill them, So I

537
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:08.240
did want to point that out. Doctor Ruth Roth, who

538
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:13.000
was the psychologist who tried to mediate the resolution between

539
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:17.519
Daniel and Betty, who was the psychologist's mediator over the

540
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:20.240
custody battle with Daniel and Betty.

541
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:21.640
Testified at the trial.

542
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.839
She said that Betty didn't suffer from mental disorders. Instead,

543
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.079
she said, quote, I think she was angry. She said

544
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.400
Betty told her that she threatened her ex husband quote

545
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.839
all the time. In March of nineteen eighty seven, she

546
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.960
interviewed both Betty and Dan while trying to get them

547
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.200
to agree in a custody arrangement for their children so

548
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.119
that they wouldn't have to go to court. She also

549
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.079
said that although Betty was the one who kept dropping

550
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:53.000
the kids off at Dan's house, she would come back

551
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.200
and said that she wanted custody of the children.

552
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.680
Then at other times.

553
00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:59.599
She would randomly come out and say that if Dan

554
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.880
would get her custody of the children, she would refuse it.

555
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:05.680
So it was like, which one do you want? She

556
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:10.279
also testified that by late nineteen eighty nine, Dan was

557
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.880
actually considering returning custody of the two younger boys to Betty,

558
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.880
but when she had her meetings with doctor Ross alone,

559
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:22.880
Betty refused to discuss custody matters. She would just go

560
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:26.119
off on a tangent, and, as doctor Roth said, quote

561
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:30.599
started off on her own agenda. Doctor Roth also testified

562
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:33.480
to the court that on March third, nineteen eighty seven,

563
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.599
Betty said, quote, I'm not going to be a single

564
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:37.720
parent of four kids.

565
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:39.079
He'll die first.

566
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.039
In that same session, she also said quote the less

567
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.160
I see them or hear from them, the better.

568
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:47.359
No bother, no kids.

569
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:50.559
Doctor Ross told the court that when she heard these

570
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.359
comments coming from Betty, she decided to go against the

571
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:58.680
client doctor privacy privilege, and she ended up telling Dan

572
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:00.440
what Betty had said.

573
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:02.920
Now, she didn't break the law.

574
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:07.640
Because if there is a threat made against her person,

575
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.640
the law does allow you to breach that patient client

576
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:16.119
confidentiality rule. She also said that on March twelfth, nineteen

577
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:22.240
eighty seven, Betty repeated her comments again, saying quote, no way,

578
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.759
I'm going to be a single mother with four kids.

579
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.519
He'll die first. I'm not letting go that easy. The

580
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:31.039
little bitch was mine, He'll stay mine.

581
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.240
This is what she said. So she said this twice.

582
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:38.160
So doctor Roth decided to ask her point blank if

583
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.720
this was a threat, and she responded with quote, I

584
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:43.000
threatened a bitch.

585
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:43.440
All the time.

586
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:49.720
Then Sylvia Cavins took the stand. She was Daniel's housekeeper

587
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.920
from December nineteen eighty seven to November nineteen eighty nine.

588
00:33:54.640 --> 00:34:00.279
She's testified that she heard Betty threaten him three different times. Well,

589
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.839
I'm gonna say this. She heard her threaten him all

590
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.720
the time, but three times that she considered real. She

591
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.840
said the spring that Dan and Linda were married, Betty

592
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.559
threatened to put quote four bullets in Dan's head, one

593
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.480
for each of the kids. So when she said that,

594
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:21.119
the defense said, oh, got you there. Why when the

595
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.719
police asked you about the threat, why did you say

596
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.880
that Betty planned to shoot him three times, not four?

597
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:32.519
And the housekeeper said, quote, I must have meant four, which,

598
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.559
again another weak argument. Got you there? When the police

599
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.519
questioned you said that she said she was going to

600
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:40.679
shoot him three times.

601
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.679
Now on the stand, you're saying four. What does it matter.

602
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.280
The point is she said she was going to shoot him,

603
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.360
doesn't matter if it was one, three, five, eighteen, like,

604
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.880
are you serious? That was your defense. She also said

605
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.320
shortly after she started working for Dan, that's when she

606
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.039
started hearing Betty threaten in him. One of those threats

607
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.800
that happened shortly after she started working was when Betty said, quote,

608
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.360
she would kill Dan. This was like right after she

609
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:11.199
started working. So then she tried to diffuse the situation.

610
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.880
Really not really because she doesn't know this woman, so

611
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:18.000
she's not really taking it seriously. So she said, quote,

612
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:21.000
oh great, he'd be dead and you'd either be dead

613
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:24.159
or in prison, and the children would be orphans. And

614
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.239
in response to that, Betty said that would not be

615
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.199
a problem because a jury, when it found out what

616
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.639
Dan did to me, would let me off. That's what

617
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:38.039
she told the housekeeper, and so the housekeeper responded with, quote,

618
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:42.400
I wouldn't count on that. Then the prosecution had forensic

619
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:46.519
psychiatrists and criminologists take the stand. This was doctor park

620
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:51.440
Diet and he actually used the analysis of doctor Melvin Goldsband,

621
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.800
who actually worked on the case for the prosecution, and

622
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:57.239
he used that analysis and brought it to the court.

623
00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:58.880
D It said that.

624
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:03.280
Betty had a history ironic and narcissistic personality, and he

625
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:07.920
read from doctor Goldsband's notes that said Betty did have

626
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.840
this kind of personality and that she was quote severely

627
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:18.639
narcissistic and histeronic. Basically, your honor, They said, she has

628
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:22.119
an inflated sense of self importance and a need to

629
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:26.039
be the center of attention. So, after all that was

630
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.360
brought before the court, brought before the jury, and everything

631
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:33.320
like that, the trial ended in a hung jury with

632
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.280
two jurors wanted to go for manslaughter because they said

633
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.480
there was a lack of intent there for a first

634
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.039
degree murder charge, so they couldn't come to a unanimous agreement,

635
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:48.320
and it ended in a hung jury. Well, the trial

636
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.840
started again later that year with the same defense attorney,

637
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:57.280
same prosecutor, literally the same trial. Everything went how it

638
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:02.199
had before, and on December eleventh, nineteen ninety one, the

639
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.360
jury came back with a guilty verdict of two counts

640
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:09.119
of second degree murder. Betty was sentenced to two consecutive

641
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:13.559
terms of fifteen years to life plus two years for

642
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.880
illegal use of a firearm. This was the maximum sentence

643
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:20.679
under the law at that time. Keep in mind that

644
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:25.519
even though she was just now found guilty. She had

645
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:28.840
still been in jail since nineteen eighty nine since the murder,

646
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.639
so she started serving her sentence at the California Institute.

647
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:35.519
For Women in Chino, California.

648
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:41.039
Then, in January twenty ten, she requested parole a legend

649
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:46.320
exclusion of crucial evidence by the presiding judge. Her defense

650
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:50.039
argued that this could have influenced the jury's decision, so

651
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:54.960
please grant us parole. The judge denied this parole because

652
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.880
they said that she did not show remorse or even

653
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.840
acknowledge her wrongdoing. She again tried to get parole in

654
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:07.000
November twenty eleven January twenty seventeen, and each time she

655
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:11.360
was denied. She actually won't be eligible for parole again

656
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:15.360
until January of twenty thirty two. By that time, she'll

657
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.280
be eighty four. Currently she is in prison. She's still

658
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.239
in the same prison, and she's currently working in various

659
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.760
aspects of the prison, like scheduling for the mental health unit.

660
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:31.840
She's doing janitorial work, and she reportedly enjoys doing everything

661
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.519
that she's doing in prison. She's actually described as a

662
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:41.920
model citizen. Now, one day somebody found letters from Betty

663
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:46.440
to Bradley. These letters dated from two thousand and three

664
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:50.599
to two thousand and six, and it showed that even

665
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:56.199
after she was sentenced, Bradley was still sending her money. Bradley,

666
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.119
after these letters were found, said that he wished these

667
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:03.039
letters were never discovered, which were in his storage locker.

668
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.760
What happened was he quit paying rent to the storage facility,

669
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.039
and then the stuff in there were auctioned off, which

670
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:11.960
if you know you're not able to make the rent,

671
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.119
take your stuff out. I don't know. I'm not gonna judge.

672
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:16.159
I don't know what was going on.

673
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:16.760
In his life.

674
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:19.079
He could maybe he couldn't afford to get a truck.

675
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.199
Maybe he didn't have friends with a truck. He couldn't

676
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:22.440
get his stuff out of the locker.

677
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.679
Who am I to judge? He said?

678
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.320
Quote For me personally, it's just like reopening a sore

679
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.920
womb that I've tried after all this time to sort

680
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:35.159
of fade away. I don't know why the American public

681
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:39.000
is always so excited about these kinds of things. Well, Bradley,

682
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.280
I know on my part, I'm not excited about it.

683
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:47.719
What I take from true crime is understanding the mentality.

684
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:51.920
For me, it's a psychological thing, understanding the mentality of

685
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.000
people who do these things. Why are you doing these things?

686
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:57.639
Which I haven't come to an understanding of it, and

687
00:39:57.639 --> 00:39:59.639
I guess I never will because I'm not somebody.

688
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:00.559
Who would do this these things.

689
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.360
So it's more of trying to psychologically understand people as

690
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:06.880
well as hearing things that people would do that I

691
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.239
wouldn't have even thought could have been. Like, it just

692
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.199
makes me more aware, and I bring these stories out

693
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:18.000
to make other people more aware of what could possibly

694
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.760
happen in the world, and maybe if somebody was thinking

695
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.119
about doing the same thing, helping them make a different decision.

696
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.719
That's what my true crime is about. So that's to

697
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.800
answer what you're saying, Bradley, if you ever hear this.

698
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.400
So in the letters, Betty talked about her love for

699
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.679
Bradley and everything like that, stuff she should have thought

700
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:41.320
about before she was murdering her husband, because she had

701
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:45.159
been with Bradley when he divorced her when he filed

702
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.400
the petition to divorce nineteen eighty five. So maybe before

703
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.559
you ruin the kid's life, you should have thought about

704
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.159
your love for Bradley, not while you're in prison and

705
00:40:56.360 --> 00:41:00.239
after as everything is done. In one letter from All

706
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.119
two thousand and six, she said, quote, if I had

707
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.239
a penny for every time I think of you, I'd

708
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.840
be a millionaire many times over again. That should have

709
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:13.159
happened before you took drastic action. In another one, she said, quote,

710
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.119
I was thinking of what I'm looking for in a

711
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.360
man since you're not available. Well, the list was a

712
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.960
description of you. You're exactly the guy. Damn it again,

713
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.840
when you had him, you wasn't thinking like that.

714
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:27.320
If he's such the perfect.

715
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.239
Man, you shouldn't have been obsessing over another man, which

716
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:33.159
I know the other man was your ex husband, but still,

717
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.199
if your ex husband was so terrible and horrible towards

718
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:39.400
you and you found the perfect man, shouldn't you have

719
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:43.119
just moved on? And I guess from that comment Bradley

720
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.519
had already moved on. And so in another letter, she's

721
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.239
trying to get him to leave who he's with and

722
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:55.119
sneak away with her and visit her in prison. Like, woman,

723
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.360
you're in prison, what can he do? You're literally in

724
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.719
prison for the rest of his life. You want him

725
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.840
to leave the woman that's with him, who actually physically

726
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:08.960
acts like he is the perfect man, and leave this

727
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:13.840
person to come to prison to visit you. Quote, if

728
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:15.960
you want to live in Laplaiah with me like you

729
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.360
say you do, going back to Lisa is not how

730
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.400
it's going to happen. I can't believe you don't come here.

731
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.920
It's been years. Now that she's back to work, maybe

732
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.400
you can sneak away. I think she may have these

733
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:33.320
mental health disorders that those doctors said, because even though

734
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.280
she had a man, when Dan had a woman, she

735
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:41.000
couldn't fact, she just couldn't take that. Now that Dan's

736
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:45.239
out of the way, and I use that term not Crassley,

737
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.199
but now that he's gone, now she's focused on Bradley,

738
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.800
even though she already had Bradley, but now Bradley has

739
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.920
another woman. So now it's like, oh, put your focus

740
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:56.400
back on me.

741
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:57.639
What are you doing? Leave her?

742
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.800
And I wonder if she was out, if she would

743
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.639
they'll take in those same drastic measures that she did

744
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.519
with Dan. In another letter, she said, quote, sorry to

745
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.519
hear your life is a mess. I don't want to

746
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:09.599
come back to a mess.

747
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:10.320
Come back.

748
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.239
Did you go to counseling? Whatever patterns you will have

749
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.719
will continue for better or worse. You know the definition

750
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.679
of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and

751
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.199
expecting a different result.

752
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:23.119
I should know.

753
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.039
I'm really glad she said that, because I was about

754
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:29.119
to say, are you serious right now? Because you're literally

755
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.039
you were in counseling, you didn't take the counselor's advice,

756
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.360
and you were the definition of insanity. But I guess

757
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.760
she knew that, and she just I don't know. In

758
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:43.039
other letters, she's continuously begging Bradley for money and for

759
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:47.400
attention and everything like that. And actually have all of

760
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.119
the letters, the pictures of the letters in my Patreon,

761
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.519
as well as the receipts for the money, so you

762
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:55.039
can go to Patreon dot com Forward Slash Love and Murder.

763
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:57.360
That's part of the extras that I do add to

764
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.599
every case. If they're pictures, if they're video, which this

765
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.480
case has a video of her daughter testifying in court,

766
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.920
so videos, pictures, court documents, all of that is also

767
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:13.280
in the Patreon. This happens for any episode, and that's

768
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part of the extra bonuses. My exclusive lambs get Patreon

769
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:21.400
dot com Forward Slash Love and Murder. Currently, Bradley is

770
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.920
married and has completely moved on with his life, and

771
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.360
you know he's not looking back on Betty. Quote, so

772
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.719
much time has elapsed right now. So this revelation that

773
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.000
there were some letters from Betty to me that surfaced

774
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.920
out of nowhere, I mean, so what this is what

775
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:43.280
he said? Now, Betty and Dan's kids, of course, are adults. Now.

776
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.880
Kim and her brothers, Dan and Rhett are all married

777
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:47.639
with children.

778
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:49.000
They all have girls.

779
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.519
Well, as far as the last recording of what's going

780
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.679
on with them, they all had girls, and they apparently

781
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.400
visit her in prison. The reason why I know that

782
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.599
is because there was a picture of her, her kids,

783
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.480
and her grandkids in prison. When Betty was arrested, Kim

784
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:08.679
was nineteen, Lee was eighteen, Daniel was thirteen, and Rhett

785
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:13.199
was ten. Rhett actually did an interview with Oprah, and

786
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.079
Betty had done an interview with Oprah also from prison earlier.

787
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.360
So Oprah did an interview with Betty first and then

788
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.800
she did an interview with Rhtt and Rhett said on

789
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:26.840
the interview with Oprah that he wasn't surprised by his

790
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:28.119
mom's actions at all.

791
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:29.159
Quote.

792
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.719
I just remember thinking, Wow, I wasn't really surprised. On

793
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.719
multiple occasions, my brother and I went to my dad

794
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:37.920
and said to him that we wanted to live with

795
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.960
my mom and that not having her kids was driving

796
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.440
her crazy and that she could do something extremely irrational

797
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:44.840
if she.

798
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:45.599
Didn't have us.

799
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.760
After his mom was arrested, Rhett and Daniel moved in

800
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:54.360
with Kathy Broderick, which is their uncle Larry Broderick's ex wife,

801
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:58.880
out in Colorado. Rhett then explained that the years following

802
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:03.239
were reallyotic. He was going between relatives and going between

803
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.960
boot camp for troubled teens.

804
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:05.880
Quote.

805
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.159
I constantly felt like I was under the microscope, like

806
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.480
everything I did they were trying to blame on my

807
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.559
parents' situation. And I guess, you know, that could have

808
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.320
made him even more angry, like I'm doing this because

809
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.239
of me, not because of the you know, I understand,

810
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:22.320
and I'm not trying to speak for him. I'm just

811
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.840
speculating here. That could have just made him even more

812
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:28.679
angry and made him lash out more. That you're not

813
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:32.000
seeing him for him, You're seeing him for what happened

814
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:36.280
to his parents. Later on, Lee had also reported that

815
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.599
her father had written out of his will because she

816
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.320
was going through a troubled time. She was having problems

817
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.559
with school, problems with drugs, and he had written her

818
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.320
out of his will. In his will, he had said

819
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:53.119
that the Broaderick estate would be divided equally among his

820
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.960
three other kids, and Lee wasn't part of that. I

821
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:02.519
really hope that maybe the civil gave her something. Now

822
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.280
her children are divided on whether or not she should

823
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.800
be released. Lee and Rhett thinks that she should be

824
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:13.039
let out, while Dan and Kim thinks that she should

825
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.400
be left in. Again, their thought process might have changed

826
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:18.880
by now, but as of the last reporting.

827
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:19.360
This is what they thought.

828
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.199
Lee actually had gone to one of her parole hearings

829
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.280
and said that she had a room prepared for her mother.

830
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.480
Quote should she ever be able to live her later

831
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.800
life outside of the prison walls. During the interview with Oprah,

832
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:39.199
Rhett said, quote keeping her in prison isn't really helping her.

833
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.400
She's not a danger to society. The only two people

834
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.000
she was a danger to are dead. Dan said that

835
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:50.360
he felt that his mother should remain in prison. Quote

836
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.960
in my heart, I know my mother is a good person,

837
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:56.400
but along the way she got lost. Releasing a lost

838
00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:00.719
person into society could be a dangerous mistake. And Kim

839
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:04.800
had actually testified against her mother's release, and I do

840
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:08.119
have that video in the Patreon Patreon dot com Ford

841
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:12.280
Slash Love and Murder Now Betty's actions and trials has

842
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:18.599
been the subject of several books, several documentaries, several TV movies,

843
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.880
and people still talk about this case to this day,

844
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.880
and it's this episode. There's actually a Netflix movie out

845
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:29.519
there called Dirty John The Betty broader Rick Story. I

846
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:31.719
haven't watched it though, but you know, I wanted to

847
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:33.960
tell you that there is a movie out there. Some

848
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.519
things that I brought to you in this whole episode

849
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:40.960
was not in the movie. This is what I've read

850
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:43.280
because I read about the movie and it said that

851
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:47.119
XYZ wasn't in the movie. So I mean, it's just

852
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.280
a loose movie, and you know how they dramatize everything,

853
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:54.679
so it might not even be completely believable. But anyway,

854
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.679
there's that movie, Dirty John The Betty broader Rick Story.

855
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.000
But I wanted to ask you what do you think

856
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:03.639
think about the case of Betty Broderick. Like in the

857
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:05.719
middle of the episode, I was telling you that I

858
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.679
would bring you my thoughts, and what I think is

859
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:15.280
that with all these pregnancies and losing babies, abortions, everything,

860
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:19.760
with all these pregnancies period. I really believe that she

861
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:25.840
had a depressive episode that was not being treated, because remember,

862
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.239
once you get pregnant, your body starts getting flooded with hormones.

863
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.760
When that pregnancy is over, the hormones are flooding out

864
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:36.519
of you, which then which then can change the chemistry

865
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.840
of your brain. And with everything that was going on

866
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.960
at that time, back to back to back to back pregnancies,

867
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:46.960
and you know, she's feeling like she's the only one

868
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.679
making money dealing with all these children. Dan not really

869
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.679
looking at the situation and just focusing on his studies

870
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:55.280
and everything.

871
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:56.159
It could be.

872
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:01.360
That she was going through postpartum depression that wasn't treated

873
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:06.000
that then turned into something else, and especially the baby dying,

874
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:12.440
having two abortions miscarriages that can wreck havoc on a person.

875
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:17.400
And I really think this is what happened. I really

876
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:21.360
think she was having some mental issues dealing with all

877
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:25.039
those births that was not being diagnosed, that was not

878
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:27.800
being taken seriously, and that was not being looked at.

879
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.280
That's what I think. Am I giving her an excuse

880
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.679
for murder? No, I'm not, but I'm thinking that's what

881
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:35.320
was going on.

882
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:37.079
So what do you think?

883
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.199
Do you think she's a victim of circumstance or do

884
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:43.480
you think she's a cold blooded killer who was actually

885
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:48.119
unremorseful for her actions? As the parole board said, as

886
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:49.719
the psychologist said.

887
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:50.960
What do you think?

888
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.360
So I'm gonna go ahead and put out a pole.

889
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:57.719
That question is going to be too long for the

890
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.280
Spotify pole because they only give me a certain number

891
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.280
of characters. So I'm going to figure out how to

892
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:05.079
shorten that question. But that's the gist of it. Do

893
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.159
you think she's a victim of circumstance or do you

894
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.079
think she's a cold blooded killer? Do you think she

895
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:12.519
premeditated this murder or do you think she actually went

896
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.639
in there to commit suicide but then she just saw

897
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:18.800
what was going on and just got angry and then

898
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.679
committed murder. So I want to hear from you. I'm

899
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:24.280
going to have that poll question out. Don't forget. I

900
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:26.480
also have the WhatsApp if you want to answer the

901
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polls into WhatsApp, Murderinlove, dot Com, Forward Slash WhatsApp. You

902
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can also answer it by joining Patreon. You can answer

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00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.840
it in the Facebook group, or you can answer it

904
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.440
on Spotify. These are all the places that you can

905
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:42.400
answer this poll question, or you could just leave me

906
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a comment below in whatever platform you're on, and.

907
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That is all I have for you today.

908
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I want to remind you that a free and easy

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914
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.400
end of every full episode, I want to remind you

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that it is fit with me now, all love and

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no murder, y'all.

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I'll see you in the next episode. Bye.

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Oh, don't forget to stay tuned for my commercial guests.

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