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state Courtney of Book of the Dead
podcast. Courtney, Welcome, Hello,

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so Creeps. For those who are
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I'm gonna bring my mic a little
closer year because I feel like I'm talking

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across the stream here. There we
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Network. It is Indie Pods with
a dark Side, and she does one

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part of Book of the Dead podcast
and the other the other half is your

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mom. Correct, Yes, it
is my mom. Very cool. So

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why don't you tell us what type
of podcast do you do? So it's

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true crime. We tend to focus
more on the obscure, more obscure cases,

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cases that you've either never heard of
or cases that people rarely cover.

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Every once in a while, will
sprinkle in something a little bit more fun

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zesty, Yeah, a little bit
more sas is something you probably have heard

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of, like we did Andrew Kannan
and everyone knows about the murder Gianni Versace,

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but I covered that one simply because
people don't realize that he had more

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victims than just Gianni Versace. So
we like to we like to spice it

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up with more, more well known, but we try and focus on the

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lesser known. I like that.
I like obscure myself. I to cover

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the weird stuff. So now you
are primarily true crime. Though you said

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this is you don't really dive into
the cryptids like I do, or ghosts

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or anything like that. Right,
So we have before. I actually had

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my husband on for a special Halloween
episode and we covered the legend of the

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ss Uran Madan, which is my
favorite ghost ship story. Well that ooh,

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well, then you know what I
think we're gonna Well, we're gonna

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come back to that because we're gonna
talk about ghosts. So that's so at

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least you have you have put your
little tippy toes at least into the paranormal.

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Alrighty. And then so with your
podcast because true crime, I was

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we were talking about this before we
came on. I think true crime is

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way more that that. Nonfiction is
always worse than fiction. It's the things

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that humans are capable of. Is
is just crazy? You know, like

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really bad humans. So in your
arsenal, I want to dive right right

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into it. If you have your
episodes that you've done, which one like

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just like does not let you like
what lives rent free in your brain.

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Oh so I touched on this just
before. But it is the murder,

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the murder of Jinko Faruda. It's
a case out in Japan. This girl

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was hell captive for forty four days. They literally refer to her case as

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forty four days of How well,
that's what it's like the title. Yeah,

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that's literally like if you google forty
four days of hell or forty five

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days of Hell, that's what's going
to come up. It literally, for

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the last twelve years has lived rent
free in my head. I think about

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it constantly. It makes me so
angry every time I think about it,

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because again, just it's that humans. Humans just suck. Just yeah,

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it's like the things that the main
predators did were it literally is so vile,

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like when you learn about it,
forget it, Like it's never going

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to leave your brain. I think
I think that has that even in my

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I don't necessarily dive only into true
crime, but either diving into you know,

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backstories of paranormal investigations where usually there's
something that stamped itself on that the

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things that you learn that people do
ough just it's crazy. It is do

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you have now if that one lives
like rent free? Is it just because

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it is so like awful, it's
so awful. And I think one of

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the reasons it lives rent free in
my head is I learned after the fact

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that one of the men guilty of
killing this girl, they were doing it

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in his parents' house, and his
parents were fully aware of what was going

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on, and it was, oh, we're afraid of him because he's got

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yakuza connections, and it's like but
he's sixteen. Yeah, like no,

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what are you doing? Take him
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So they like absolutely desecrated this girl's
grave after the fact, the parents,

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to the point where her grave Like
she had to be moved from Japan.

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She's now resting in Texas. Wow, you're out of the country. Wow

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to be I mean even in death, she had to come here for protection

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exactly. I think that's one of
the reasons, like I can't get it

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out of my head, is because
she couldn't even rest peacefully because his parents

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wouldn't let her special place in hell
for people like that, in my in

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my opinion, mm hmm. Do
have you ever had a case that you

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were just not necessarily that that it
was the gore of it all, but

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where you're like hat like the how
you know, like like something that was

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I don't know, he used clowns
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like a real wacky case. I'm
trying to think of, like a really

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wacky one, because there's a lot
her is there's a lot I don't.

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I mean, they pretty much always, you know, they find them,

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they do awful things, they kill
them, and then we end up finding

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out the story later. Or is
it like these weird like you're just in

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the wrong place at the wrong time. There there's one. So it's not

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even that it was necessarily like wacky
in the sense that they did something crazy.

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It was more like, so I
do a monthly radio show and I

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did the Lonely Hearts Killers, and
one of the whole thing is like it

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was this man and this woman Raymond
Fernandez and Martha Back and they get together

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and they start writing letters to these
women to try and steal money from them

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that are part of these only Hearts
clubs. Okay, fine. The thing

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about the case was is that the
man Raymond, he lived most of his

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life being a totally normal, average
human being. The only reason he turned

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to like a life of crime was
because of a freak accident. He had

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gotten hit in the head with a
steel door. Oh it didn't like altered,

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it altered his personality who he is. And the only reason he started

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killing was because Martha was so desperate
to be loved by him. She couldn't

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handle him conning these women, even
though she was like totally okay with it,

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she couldn't handle being like even pretending
that he was in love with them,

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So she started killing these women to
be out of jealousy. Out of

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jealousy, like literally, if they
had never met, he never would have

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No one would have died because he
just would have been stealing money from them,

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which is terrible, Like it's shitty
thing to do. But if that's

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the only unliving a bunch of people
exactly, so it's literally three people,

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don't No, I am a firm
believer in the death penalty. If I

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am, I got into her Catholic
school for that net har forget it.

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He's in paper that no one raised
their hands except me. But yeah,

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it's are cheaper. No, I'm
I'm with you on that one. Let

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me just hold on. I gotta
grab of course, my nose is like

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running in the middle of this whole
thing. Meanwhile, you were you were

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all by yourself on the after dark
there for a second. That's okay,

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I say, nothing, nothing,
nothing exploded. We're still here, No,

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I I think, And that's you
hear about stories like that, Like

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head injuries are so bananas because they
they go from one day being like you

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know, they go to they go
to church, they they bring big cookies

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for their neighbor. They like everything
that they could do right, they're doing

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right, and then they get bonked
on the head or they're in a car

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accident, and it like totally destroys
everything that was straight line in their head.

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I've heard about that. Yeah,
it's it literally because what it does

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depending on where you get hit,
if it's in like your frontal low to

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where your personality is programs, it
literally roaches it. That switch. Yeah,

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I have I had, I mean
a lot of people. This is

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like totally because I didn't have any
flip switch that I know of if like

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people ask me because my head my
head shakes, I have I have a

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condition that makes my headshake. And
the biggest thing that they went after was

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like, did you have any head
injuries? You know, were you different

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between here and here and here and
here. It was like, no,

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I didn't get hit anything, and
I'm not killing people asking It's just my

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head chase a little bit, right, I'm sorry, Well, I get

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it. My noodles fried so ghost
Dog says, I've been bunked in the

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head a lot, a lot.
And then before that, it was brief

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before we was why when we were
in the middle there so our c J

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Rainbow Crimes, the Unicorn Justice,
he said, Noel at Courtneyer So she's

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right. I was just gonna say
she is. She is one of the

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mamas of of dark cast. We
have a few like matriarchs that kind of

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keep us keep us going so in
the world, you know, shifting from

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murder into weirdness. I guess uh. Talking about ghosts, I want to

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know about this ghost ship because it
sounds like you have had a little bit

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of diving into what it is and
and all that. So tell us about

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this ghost ship that you were just
talking about. So the stang I c

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K, we love you too,
the sec aroun maddan was a goot shift

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that basically what happened is people argue
about when it actually happens. Some people

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say right before World War two,
some people say right after World War two.

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But in the forties at some point. Basically this SOS went out and

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it was everyone's dead, we need
help. Everyone's dead, like they're all

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dead. And so these ships went
out to and people argue about walk ships.

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Some people say it was, you
know, American ships, some people

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say it was British ships. They
go out to where this ship slash coordinates

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were, which was in like the
Straits of Malacca, and they allegedly get

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to the ship, they get on
board and literally everyone is dead, like

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even the dog is dead. It's
and they all died with this look on

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their face as if they were terrified. And then as the story goes,

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they were going down to like the
bowels of the ship in the cargo holds

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when a fire broke out, so
they leave and the ship blows up and

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sinks to the bottom of the ocean. Okay, so the theories that have

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gone on with this because there are
so many. I'm sure there's so many.

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Yeah, the ship is never registered
with any shipping log ever, but

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there's been mentions of the ship prior
to nineteen forty. And one of the

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theories is this ship was a uh
Man of Midan. It's a Sue matronship

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because it was the Man of Midan. It literally is a man from Midan,

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and Midan is in Sumatra, so
they were thinking it was a Sue

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matronship. And the theory was that
it was rented by some one some people

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say the Dutch, some people say
the Chinese, and it was carrying biochemical

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weapons in I mean, I guess
which was which was the stuff. There

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was no experimentation, right, So
the theory went that they were improperly stowed

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and they leaked these toxic gases and
it caused hallucinations and that's what scared them

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so bad to the point where they
had heard attacks and died. There's another

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theory that there were aliens involved.
Well, of course there always is,

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there's always aliens. There's other theories
that it was another ghost ship, that

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they encountered ghost pirates and that's why
they died. Huh. But I will

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say that I mean it kind of. I mean, I guess, okay,

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I can track that. I could
track that. But this CIA knows

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something about it because I found online
someone had written a letter to the CIA

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and was like, Hey about this
ship. Here's all the evidence I have.

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This is what I think it is. And the CIA is like the

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chief CIA operative. Okay, this
distant wrote back and went, I'm so

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glad you're so interested in the ship. Thanks for asking about it. We're

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not telling you anything. I but
that's oh my, you took the words

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out of my mouth. Ghost dog
at it again? Is the movie the

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movie ghost Ship, which I hope
you've seen. I have seen it.

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I know there's some similarities, so
it's definitely possible. It's like the basics

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of it. Yeah, but there's
so many ghost ships that it could have

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been inspired. It could be like
a conglomeration. But the fact that they're

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all dead that hits that one.
You know, they all died with crazy

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you know, they all crazy faces. Only one you know they're getting and

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the other one is biochemical weapons.
So there's that definitely could be. There

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was a video game based on it, so Uram midan As I said,

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like translates to Man from Midan.
There's a video game by super Massive black

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Hole. I think that's the developer. But they made a Dark Pictures anthology

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and they have games inspired by like
the Salem Witch Trials and stuff like that.

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But they have a whole game dedicated
to this ship. And they went

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the chemical bio weapon because that's that's
the fun way to go. Yeah,

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that's more fun because then it's like
you're infected. I could see how that

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would work. Man, that would
be. That would be so much fun.

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So we have a comment here the
undiscovered paranormal paranormal I would love to

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investigate an abandon ship. I agree
the first. I think the first,

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I always worry about humans, and
all the paranormal investigations that I've done,

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humans are actually the worst thing to
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once that absolutely like even even necessarily
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think that's it. The Queen Mary
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and that would be although even just
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if they if you don't think something
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creepy hallways, you get you know, the temperatures a little cooler if you're

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if you're under I don't know.
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ships. They creak, they moan, it just has that like pre haunted

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smell. Yeah, complimentary. I
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I think it would be fun to
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a boat, but a ship.
So we have a couple of books like,

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oh my gosh, where are all
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Yes, CJ says the Queen Mary
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course undiscovered paranormal so in Cincinnati.
Now I'm near Cincinnati, so I would

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like to know an undiscovered paranormal.
What ship you're talking about in Cincy because

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I'm I'm gonna put here in SeaBus
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So, speaking of ghost hunts,
I think, so have you have you

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been on a paranormal investigation? Or
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my my husband's uncle, that's what
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wanted to take us. He unfortunately
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that and one of the things he
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was when you go to Savannah,
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like, because it is so haunted, because the whole town's built on a

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massive craveyard. I mean, the
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to we went to Moon River Brewery
and when I tell you, the things

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that happened there were par and normal, I'm not even kidding. Well,

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you can't just lead with that.
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the good. Okay, we go, we go to Moon Riverer Brewery and

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you know, we're eating cause it's
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and you know, we were kind
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adventures, like the show so they
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you gotta go, like it actually
is haunted. So we're eating and

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our waitress comes by and we're like, look, can we just and she's

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like, you want to know about
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yeah, you want to discovered it. So so we she's like, I'm

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gonna I'm gonna give you the good
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for. You're gonna get the the
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the basement and you know, it's
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basement. Yeah, he's a basic
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the whole time we're down there.
I'm like, I don't like this.

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I was wearing a ring that I
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shop, and they're like supposed to
be for protection. This ring burned my

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finger. Yeah I'm not even kidding. It's at yeah, but it literally

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like it burns my finger. While
we were down there, it was super

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weird. And then I'm standing like
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like, I just have this feeling. It was like all of the alarm

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bells were going off, and my
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telling us, you know, there's
like a little boy that's apparently down there,

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and something blue in my ear.
We were in a basement, no

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windows. It was a little happened, so I know what that feels like.

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Okay, nearly jumped out of my
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to like the third floor where the
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They don't take you, like there's
literally a rope. You're not let's go

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up there. She's like, we'll
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and we're looking around and it's like
literally falling apart of there because they were

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because they don't go up there.
They don't go up there. They kept

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trying to renovate it, and every
time they tried to renovate, it's something

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weird happened, like someone full off
the ladder, like someone full on the

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stairs. They're just doing it up
which I get it. We're just gonna

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leave it ye time. So while
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weird feeling again, and there was
like a curtain, and under the curtain

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we saw feet walk by, which
was weird. And then the girl's manager

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comes up and was like, oh, are you doing another tour? And

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she's like she's like bab no when
she just when she's just behind the curtain,

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and he's like, you watched me
come up the stairs? What do

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you mean? Was I behind the
curtain? Like the only people up here

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are you? So that was another
thing. And then while I'm standing there

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going who was behind the curtain?
Someone pulls on my hair. So I

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don't know if it was this little
boy playing tricks on me, but he's

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like, let me yank on her
hair. Sure, so I have I

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think I think that feeling happens quite
frequently on investigations, just as from my

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personal experience. I think sometimes it's
anticipation, and sometimes it's our spidy sense,

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you know, like we're humans,
Like sure, we're squishy, little

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meat bags. We have to have
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that's what I call it, is

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my joking way. I call it
our spidy sense, you know. I

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don't know what else to call it. On all the alarms start going off,

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I think that there's something to it. You know. I'm not a

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medium. I don't claim to have
ever been one or anything. Those titles

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kind of hard to prove in my
opinion. I like science. I like

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science, and but those it's hard
to deny when you get those feelings when

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you are very scientific, because you're
like, why why do I feel this

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way? This isn't like I took
and you immediately have to kind of like

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catalog did I did I drink too
much caffeine? Did I drink too much

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beer? Did I drink something?
Did I eat too much sugar? It's

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crazy, but that I think that's
an interesting you know, that was that

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your first time ever? That was
my first time being somewhere where like it

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was known to be haunted and it
was known to be very active. Like

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the whole time we were in Savannah, I had a really hard time.

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It was like my anxiety was through
the roof the entire time. I felt

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so bad to my honeymoon. I
was like a mess the whole time.

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I had never felt like that before
anywhere else I'd ever been where it was

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like the this like impending sense of
doing, like something was going to happen,

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like Spidey sense. Yeah, you
kind of like for some reason the

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bells and whistles were going off the
at the time I was there. It

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was crazy, and I was like
I was the one that wanted to go

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to Savannah. I was the one
that was like I didn't. I don't

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know what it was, but it
was we went in this you're talking about

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Savannah, Georgia, Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm just making sure i'm

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tracking because I've been down there.
People are like, yeah, like it's

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it's haunted. And I was like, yeah, you know whatever, it's

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an old town, it's an old
town. But there I could not shake

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this feeling the whole week I was
there. And I think that's a valid

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I think it's valid. There's there's
also people that are like, well,

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because not to be a sexist comment, but because we're women, our hormones

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jack with everything in our body.
But I think we get discredited because of

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that. And I was like,
you know what, no, and nothing

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to do with it, exactly like
I don't do drugs. I don't smoke,

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you know, I I do.
I do drink, but I don't

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drink drink, and so all those
things are leveled out. I'm not heavy

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on you know, one or the
either. So that's I think that's interesting

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that you had that, that feeling
happened to even my husband was like,

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oh, like something's wrong. So
I wanted to I left this comment up

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so that we could we could touch
back to it. So Rudolph Valentino's rings,

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you said your ring burns your finger
and I and I was very it's

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an interesting comment because a Rudolph Valentino's
ring came from a pawn shop or jeweler

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shop and and then you know he
has it's mad cursed. So it was

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him the person was going to play
me him that next person. It was

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like boom boom boom. So I
gave that ring. Yeah, I hated

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it. I lost the ring.
It's probably if it burns me. It

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went back back to for where it
came from, the depths of hell.

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Yeah, stay there. So I'm
discovered paranormal says for your first investigation and

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all that to happen, it was
awesome. So he says, they say,

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kudos to you, Courtney for being
able to handle that. I didn't

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die, So yeah, you're still
here. You're still here. Yeah.

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Did you find that that after that
that you either you never wanted to be

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a part of anything like that again, or did you find that it was

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like like potato chips, you eat
one and before you know it, you're

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like half in the bag. I
would do it again. Before that,

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like I said, like my husband's
uncle wanted to take us, and like

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for a really long time, I
was like, no, that's stupid,

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Like I'm not going to do it. And after I was like you know

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what, do it? I don't
do it, And my husband's like you

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have anxiety, anxiety the entire time
we were in Savannah, Like, what

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do you mean you're going to go
on like an investigation in a prison?

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Should you decide that you're going to
not to drop a you know, too

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much of a spoiler for everybody that's
listening, But if you've already paid attention,

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I dropped at ghost Ending one oh
one episode a little while back.

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It's going to be a class.
We're going to do a one hundred series,

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a two hundred series, and a
three hundred series for the Master Investigator.

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So those who are tuned in just
know that's coming down the pipeline.

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You'll be able to come to in
person or digital classes because there is stuff

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to learn. I think sometimes people
just want to jump in and sure,

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that's fun, but if you really
want to see what's going on, you

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want to learn what the devices are
doing, you want to learn about the

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history when they're talking about ectoplasm,
or you love Ghostbusters the original and from

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a kid forward, it changed you. As I get older, my humor

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seems to change between different people because
of that movie. But just so you

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know, I think that's very I
think that's very cool and interesting that you

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because some peo people. They don't
want to they don't want to be around

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that. So kudos to you for
jumping in and being your little paranormala.

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There's like a amongst the I'm in
like a whole bunch of strange. Well,

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I mean we're all strange, right, I mean the weird. This

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is creep Nation, for God's sakes. I find myself in many different circles.

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There's either like the true crime people
who are all about the story.

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Tell me about the story, tell
me about the justice, and then you

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skew. And then you get the
paranormal investigators, and I have im parts

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of them, and we have we
all want to know what what's the craziest

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investigation, and we all joke about
ghost adventures and how bad Zach Begins is

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and and it's and you you.
So it's like I've learned to skew and

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go with with each group that I
can, I can kind of hang with

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it. So I have speaking of
Zach Begins. So the dogs are going,

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I'm sorry, I know, it's
fine. I have my alarm is

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in the front room, so usually
she goes off if something's walking around outside.

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Yeah, fully get it. So
do you do you still watch Ghost

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Adventures. I don't. After a
while was like, I'm so sick of

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this, like I can't watch it. That's that was going to be my

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that was gonna be my next My
next question is what you feel about it?

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And and that I agree. So
it's you said, like what Undiscovered

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says, I think it can be
an adrenaline pump, and you're like,

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even if you're watching the show,
and then it's kind of like he just

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takes the fun and the zip out
of it, where Yeah, there are

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some where I watched that it was
super interesting, it was super into it,

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loved it, and then there were
others where I literally like it was

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one of those where he like almost
fell down the stairs or whatever. It's

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like the ghost try to protect a
place me down the stairs. I'm like,

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dude, I watched you throw yourself
backwards, like I watched that on

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camera, and you didn't tie your
big ass shoes of all. He always

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has his liket top of his boots
all out like well, yeah, no

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wonder you fellion dingis exactly So I'm
like, I can I can't do.

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Don't get me wrong, my my
hobby will call me out because I was

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that I love watching for just for
the sake of watching that, I will

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sit in my chair in my jam
jams and eat my popcorn and M and

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m's. But then the next time, I'm like, if you're getting possessed

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as much, you shouldn't be doing
it exactly exactly how many times? How

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many times sir and quit yelling at
Aaron justice for that poor man. That's

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what ghost go in the room erin
I have. But I also think those

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shows can give you good like place
like big places like Savannah. There's so

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many places down there. I think
it kind of depends on, you know,

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if there's were settled, like places
that were settled really earlier, places

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that were settled later. Kind of
depends on the type of investigation. I

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guess now now that we've not paranormals
one thing. I mean, everything's kind

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of paranormal. But what about aliens? Have you ever have you think you've

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ever seen an aliens like ship in
the sky or anything like that. Me

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personally, no, do I think
there's aliens out there? Absolutely, Like

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I'm not. Next question, I'm
not the only like living creature in the

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entire Like gall right, it's centered
exactly like no We're not the end.

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I'll be all all right, Like, let's be real. Do I think

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I've ever seen anything? Though?
Now? No, Man, it seems

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like there I got a I got
a rash for a while. What doesn't

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00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.880
sound good. I didn't have a
rash. Person. There was a string

404
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.200
of people that like they had either
seen something in the sky where they thought,

405
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:58.440
you know, like something moved to
fast zip zip or whatever like that

406
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:00.880
was that was that's what happened to
me, or then for now for a

407
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:05.039
while now, Nope, no one's
ever seen them. That's so funny.

408
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.640
But I live in New Jersey and
you don't see anything in the sky.

409
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:17.480
The smog is bad enough, like
it's either too bright or it's just you're

410
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.759
too close to the city and it's
all pollution, like right, and it's

411
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.839
like you just can't see anything at
all. I agree. But man,

412
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.000
I now that they've dropped this bomb
about aliens, well I would say,

413
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.279
drop a bomb. I think it's
a distraction. What's your what's your opinion

414
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.640
on that? Do you think the
aliens government telling us that there's aliens?

415
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.480
Is that a distraction? It's fully
a distraction. But also no one reacted

416
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:46.400
to that it's like because we're all
trauma bonded because of all the other bs

417
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:52.799
exactly. The government announced the aliens
and everyone's like hey and like yeah,

418
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:59.000
like can you make gas prices lower? I really don't care. You could

419
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:02.839
tell. It was like they made
this present and we were like and do

420
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:08.400
you want it? Yeah? Oh
that was and that was a trip that

421
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:13.880
just happened recently. So I think
I have I think I've I have a

422
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:16.800
I get where all of a sudden, I want to read all about aliens

423
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:20.840
because there's a lot of books from
the fifties and the sixties because up right,

424
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:22.199
all of a sudden they popped up. We had nothing about aliens,

425
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.880
and all of sudden they were all
these people that's all aliens, kind of

426
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:29.280
starting from Barney and Betty Hill.
Yeah, and and then it just went

427
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.719
Ka, Louie and I get on
like a kick where all of a sudden,

428
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:37.599
I'm trying to like connect all the
strings about aliens and where they come

429
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.599
from. And then the next minute, I'm like, government's not really telling

430
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.239
us what's happening, so why not. It's like I think I have the

431
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:52.199
answers, and then I don't about
aliens at least well so because I think

432
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.239
these two are connected. Now,
so are you familiar with cryptids? Yes,

433
00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.559
okay, I assume everybody knows about
Bigfoot. Everyone knows about Bigfoot,

434
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:06.039
like Nasty Jersey's got its own cryptis. He's just gonna say, you have

435
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.800
your own in your city? Uh, do you have one? Do you

436
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:14.360
have one that's your favorite? I
am partial to the Jersey Devil, just

437
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.880
because because loyalty or because you think
it's interesting. I think it's interesting,

438
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.119
you know, thirteen child at the
thirteen child, like the whole spooky half

439
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:28.400
goat half back thing, like right
thing. But also you know, I'm

440
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:34.599
a little partial to moth Man.
The memes made me really happy. I

441
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.000
think, have you ever went to
touch it? Heiny? No? Oh

442
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:45.320
the shiny heiney. Come on now, I know. I just made my

443
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:49.840
my my drive to the shiny heiney
last Mothman festival. So I love that.

444
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.840
I felt I felt that I had
gone to Mecca for that year.

445
00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:00.480
But West Virginia is loaded because they're
Mothman's in West Virginia. Yeah, they

446
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:07.159
are loaded with so many hot like
hot ticket cryptids. Oh yeah, and

447
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:12.599
I'm like, why, what the
Heck's and like it's just mountains and people

448
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:17.440
that have lived their their whole lives
for families after family. I mean,

449
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:22.760
what do you think is flowing around
there? I don't even know. There's

450
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:29.239
just there are some Virginia but yeah, you're look at you look at places

451
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:36.360
that you know were discovered so long
ago, and like, who knows what's

452
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:40.840
really they've got? They probably have
so much shit. Yeah, well and

453
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.639
that's why I just so, did
you get a chance to listen to the

454
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:46.800
Quiet Zone episode or that might not
have been your your cup of tea,

455
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:52.559
but haven't listened to the Quiet Zone
yet? So it's the one it was

456
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:53.880
not the skin Books, but the
one before. It has like a big

457
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.840
satellite dish on it. Yeah,
it's about West Virginia and about all of

458
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.719
the crazy crap that's happening in West
Virginia when it comes to aliens and government

459
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:07.840
bunkers and like what the hell's going
on? Yeah, I don't know.

460
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.119
There are some places that it's like
are you guys okay? Yeah? Right,

461
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:15.920
you need help? And that in
West Virginia, it is the world's

462
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:24.079
largest radio telescope and there's a government
funded program that's keeping it alive. Strictly

463
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:30.719
looking forest terrestrial communication. I bet
if it's gonna be anywhere, it's going

464
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:36.719
to be, you know. And
Mark Zuckerberg is a part of the group.

465
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.360
I mean, so there you go. Everybody else is just wanting to

466
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:44.559
listen, and his is like,
we should send swarms of probes to such

467
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.440
and such, and of course he's
funding it. So I'm like, that's

468
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.119
how you kiss off the aliens.
Let's not, yah, Like, that's

469
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:55.960
not We're doing a really good,
great enough job at like almost blowing ourselves

470
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.400
up. Yeah, we don't need
high weekly basis. We don't need help.

471
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:06.840
We don't need any help. We're
doing fine on her own. Now

472
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.199
we have Now I skipped right into
the aliens and ghosts and everything. But

473
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.800
I have a couple questions about your
podcast. So when you had because this

474
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:20.000
podcast is both you and your mom. Correct, yes, So when did

475
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:24.480
you guys like started when like we're
let me rephrase that. Were you super

476
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.760
super young and she was into true
crime and then she brought you along?

477
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:30.679
Or was it kind of the other
way around. I was the other way

478
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:36.280
around. So I grew up super
into horror, like I mean, case

479
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:43.199
in point, like I got franky
I'm am and it's gonna be a whole

480
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.320
thing. But I grew up super
into horror and my mom wanted nothing to

481
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.760
do with it. She's like,
absolutely not. She's a Disney girl.

482
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.679
She likes her happy endings. Don't
get it wrong. I let me a

483
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.039
good Disney movie. But like,
which is crazy because she likes Disney movies.

484
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:59.000
But listening to her, she's ready
to bring the hammer down on these

485
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:05.679
people. She's ruthless. I've been
listening. Okay, I'm here. She

486
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.719
is a ruthless Yeah, no,
she bulle turning straight to help. But

487
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:15.320
she was never into true crime,
never into any of that. And we

488
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:22.519
were we had taken like a little
girl's weekend to Virginia actually, and we

489
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.840
were on our way back and what
should have been like a five hour drive,

490
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:30.000
it was a nine hour drive because
there was so much traffic and I

491
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.400
couldn't listen to music anymore. I
was over it. I was like,

492
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.119
I'm so sick of music, Like, give me something else. So I

493
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.679
was like, we listened to one
of my podcasts, and at the time

494
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.679
I was really into crime chunkie.
I know better now, but at the

495
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:52.320
time I was really into crime Chunkies
at the time, so I was like,

496
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:53.880
can I put on one of their
episodes? And of course, like

497
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:59.840
I don't start with something like light, I got right in with like ge

498
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:06.039
yeah, writing, waste your time. So we're listening to it, and

499
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:07.159
the whole time, I'm like,
God, like, what am I doing

500
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.920
to my mother? My poor mother? She's gonna have nightmares or something.

501
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:14.679
And after it's done, she's like, can we listen to another one?

502
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.360
And I'm like, what did you
do with my mother? Yeah? I

503
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:24.960
possessed your mom? Kind of how
it started. It's like I came home

504
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.119
from that trip and my stepdad like
she would like she would be playing them

505
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.400
so loud in her car. She'd
pull up and you'd hear, like what

506
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:37.599
she was wanted to feel the drama? Yeah, and like my stepdad's like,

507
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.119
what did you do to your mother? Like you created as I don't

508
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:46.360
know, she wants more. I'm
sorry. So I've been kicking around the

509
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:52.400
idea of a podcast for a while
because I was starting to have issues with

510
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:59.480
the lack of ethics and some true
crime podcasts that shall not be named I

511
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.880
feel that. So I was like, no, like, if you're gonna

512
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.639
talk about victims, like you should
be doing it right, You should be

513
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:14.360
doing it with some ethics and you
know, some care and tacts. It

514
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.800
was like I could do that.
Yeah, Like you just described X y

515
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.280
Z. That's somebody's daughter exactly,
you know, or son or mom or

516
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:27.840
dad or whomever. That person exactly
was from some family lineage that you just

517
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.239
described like you were making a cake
exactly, And like I get it,

518
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.480
Like there's no other way to put
it, like true crime is a form

519
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.239
of entertainment, like the other way
to put it. Sure, do it.

520
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:45.440
You gotta do it right, you
gotta do it respectfully. So I

521
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:52.000
was like I can do that because
I have experience with like the tragic death

522
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.480
of loved one, like do you
know what it feels like exactly? And

523
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.599
like what happens when it gets sensationalized. I didn't involve murder, but it

524
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.039
involved some other things. And I
was like, let me, like,

525
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:10.760
let me do this right. So
I felt so awkward doing it by myself.

526
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.760
I was like, do I deal
with me? She's like sure,

527
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.199
and she's your mom. So it's
like, you know, like you're boost

528
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:22.920
you know, you know, like
you can kind of boost it boost,

529
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.639
but it's kind of like, am
I doing a good job? Mom?

530
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:34.440
Exactly? Yeah, She's she'll go, you sound great, I sound terrible.

531
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.159
She'd tell me. She's not one
of those people like if you go

532
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.880
like, oh, does this make
me look fat? She's not going to

533
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:42.639
be like, no, of course
not. She's not going to tell you

534
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.880
it looks you look fat. But
she's gonna be like, maybe you should

535
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:51.559
terrible outfit. Maybe yeah, the
outfit is bad. Not you Like,

536
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:53.880
she'll tell you straight to your face
if like you're doing something wrong school,

537
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:59.079
let you Yeah, I've just found
it. That was the one I was

538
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.599
listening, you know, and I
hear because you always sound like you're right

539
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:06.599
here, and she always sounds like
she's sitting next to you, like taking

540
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.599
in the story, and then she
gives her commentary on it. Well that's

541
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:14.960
what she does, because yeah,
the dynamic we have which I actually had

542
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.239
a put like we had done with
a disclaimer because a lot of people,

543
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:22.199
I don't think realized that she was
going into this blind because I don't believe

544
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.679
if you're doing true crime that like
a person's reaction should be scripted. I

545
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.800
just think it's very disingenuous. Oh
here's where I am a Paul that what

546
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.840
happens exactly. It's very disingenuine.
I hate it. So I was like,

547
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.320
I can give you the cliff Notes
version, but you're not going to

548
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.880
know every detail until we're doing it, so that you have a real for

549
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:45.440
our reaction. So all of her
reactions are real and raw and like you

550
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.840
can kind of like when we did
Andrew. So the podcast is like Mom

551
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:53.000
reacts to true crime basically when we
did Ander Canan, and I like she

552
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:59.199
knew the story, like really well
because she had either watched something or listened

553
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.599
to someone else, right, And
the whole time she's like not into it.

554
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.639
I'm like, can you at least
pretend? See this is why I

555
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:10.239
don't tell you about the cases beforehand, right, She's like, already now

556
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:15.639
I've been angry about it. I'm
done. It's I think it's different when

557
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.519
you decide you're going to start up, start it right, you're interesting to

558
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.159
find something you're interested in, and
then you're like, I want to do

559
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:23.800
this, and I it's like,
I agree. It's like you when you're

560
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:28.440
when you're by yourself and then you
listen to yourself, you either don't like

561
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.840
the way you sound or you don't
like the way it came out. You're

562
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:36.760
not sure because you have nobody else
to bounce it off of. So I

563
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.440
think I just thought I thought it
was cool that you and your mom did

564
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:43.400
a podcast. It's cool when I
did one by myself. I did like

565
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.159
an episode by myself, and I
was like, this sounds terrible. She

566
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:49.719
was so safe. I mean I
sounded like Daft warmed over. But I

567
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:53.400
was like, I have to put
at an episode so I and then take

568
00:44:53.400 --> 00:45:00.400
advantage of the rest be voiced your
way down here. Yeah, I said

569
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.440
to like, I like your raspy
voice. I'm like, that's great.

570
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:10.159
I have pneumonia, Like actually literally
I have pneumonia. And actually CJ was

571
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:13.519
the one that was like, i'll
listen to it. I'll help you out,

572
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.920
Like she was great. So because
I still like the interest do it

573
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.840
by myself, I needed a bounce
off of somebody in CJ. Thank god

574
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:25.639
for She's like, I gotcha.
So how did you so you had the

575
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.920
idea for the podcast? What what
made you go with Book of the Dead?

576
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:37.159
I loved to read. I loved
to read, and I wanted it

577
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.280
to be like each like if you
were reading a book about true crime.

578
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:45.679
Each chapter was going to be a
different victim story. I like how you

579
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:53.000
introduced your each episode to another.
Yeah, the chapters, So that's that's

580
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:57.840
where that came from. And I
always and it also kind of because when

581
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.960
I was originally kicking around the idea
of a podcast is because my friend wanted

582
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:06.000
me to do a podcast on books, like reviewing books because I read so

583
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.960
much, and I was like,
man, I don't know, like thinking

584
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.840
about it, and then when I
had the idea to do a true crime

585
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.840
I was like, oh my god, this is perfect and it stuck.

586
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:17.519
Although I didn't really think about the
Egyptian Book of the Dad at the time,

587
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.840
because when you google the Book of
the Dad, that's what pops up.

588
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:25.199
I was curious, and I was
also curious speaking of skin books because

589
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:29.840
the Book of the Dead was from
Evil Dead and I was like, maybe

590
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:30.840
I can't. I don't know.
I have to ask her. I want

591
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:36.400
to know anything to do with the
Evil Dad. This is one of my

592
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:45.280
favorites. Well was like groovy,
I did. I thought it was so

593
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:52.440
interesting just listening to you and your
mom give kind of bounce your own feedback

594
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:57.679
on the story. But I didn't
know until just nat I thought, so

595
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.559
she has no idea. I mean, obviously, if you talk about Gaycy,

596
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.639
she knows who Gaycy is. But
maybe you know the big names,

597
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.000
you know, she knows about Bundy
and Dahmer and all of that, especially

598
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.760
like the ones that were really the
only Bundy and Dahmer and all of them

599
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.920
were really big when she was growing
up, so she was like aware of

600
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.920
them. But for the most part, she really doesn't. There will be

601
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:28.360
like maybe one or two, like
the iceman Richard klicklind Sky. He he's

602
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:35.840
from my town, the hitman,
so he she knows about that. But

603
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:40.360
then you know, like when we
did what just one there was Sharon thor

604
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:44.159
Is from New Jersey. We covered
her story. My mom I never heard

605
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:50.320
of her. Is she a younger
person that was committing these crimes or is

606
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:57.360
she a little old? She was
a victim, Yeah, so she she

607
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.000
had disappeared. No one ever found
her. There's a couple of girls we

608
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:06.079
did from New Jersey that my mom
had never heard of. But there are

609
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.440
like other cases that were really big
that she obviously knows about, Like she

610
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:15.679
knows about you know, Elizabeth Smart
and you know, they're like the ones

611
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:20.960
that were super televised and exactly exactly, so she'll know about them. But

612
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.400
that's also one of the reasons we
don't cover them is because what we did.

613
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.719
I think it was Elizabeth Yeah,
it was Elizabeth Smart. When Elizabeth

614
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:31.800
Smart went missing, it was like
a month before Alexis Patterson had got missing,

615
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:37.000
and she was a little young black
girl and she had sixty seven articles

616
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:42.079
written about her within a month.
Wow, the whole month Elizabeth Smart went

617
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.079
missing. And not to say she
didn't deserve all the publicity because she's just

618
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:52.159
didn't a missing child. She had
like over three hundred articles written about her

619
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.920
in the first week. Yeah,
So it's like, what, like,

620
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.400
what makes them choose that this one
gets it? You know it? It

621
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.920
doesn't matter what race, creed,
color, religion, anybody was. It

622
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.800
seems like if you put ten cases
and they're all pretty similar, they'll pick

623
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.440
one that just they ride the heck
out of it. Yeah, And it's

624
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:14.639
like, I, you know,
I understand that, Yes, some people,

625
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.000
if you look at cases, perhaps
some people feel that there's different ones

626
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:23.840
that get higher profiles for for stupid
reasons, and but then there's ones that

627
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:27.599
you're like, people need to know
about this and it just gets buried.

628
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:34.239
Exactly. There's there's a few that
I've done that like got zero coverage.

629
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.239
I did one I cannot, for
the life you remember her name, and

630
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:42.800
I feel like an ass because but
I asked a lot and I did it

631
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.559
on TikTok because I just didn't have
enough information for an episode. And someone

632
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.400
literally comments that it was like,
thank you so much for telling her story,

633
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.360
because I don't think I've ever heard
a whisper of her name and I

634
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:57.480
don't think that's right, And I
was like, buried. Yeah, it's

635
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.199
do you have a Do you have
a case that that you're you have your

636
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:06.320
eyes on? Now that that's I
know you don't want to drop all the

637
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:08.760
hints, but because we want to, we want to know about a case.

638
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:13.159
Is there one that that we're that
we should look forward to in the

639
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:17.000
future. So yeah, definitely,
there's there's a few that I'm working on.

640
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:22.079
But what I'm working on now is
actually I'm working on it with the

641
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:28.840
mother of the victim is the murder
of Debrie Schiller. She was killed in

642
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:34.679
California in kel City, California,
eight years ago now and it's solved.

643
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.000
So we're working on that one because
that case and one of the reasons it's

644
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:43.920
been taking me so long is because
I can't really find a lot of information

645
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.440
because it's just not talked about right. Well, it's unsolved too, so

646
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:52.840
it's not exactly they still have all
the evidence and everything exactly. So working

647
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:58.960
on that one and the ones where
I worked directly with like the victim's family

648
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:05.960
is like I wanted you right by
them. I'm doing another one, not

649
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:12.440
with the victims family, but the
victims best friend's daughter. We worked together.

650
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:20.519
Actually it's Evelyn Visage and she was
killed years ago the and it was

651
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.840
like a domestic violence situation. So
I'm working on that one. And that

652
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.320
one is like another one where I
wanted like it's like I have to do

653
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.079
right by them. Yeah, I
have to do right by all the victims

654
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.039
in general, but especially when like
I'm working directly with someone connected to the

655
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.880
case, it's like I can't just
like be flippant about it, Like it's

656
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:46.519
got to be one perfect well,
especially once they've given you their you know,

657
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:52.800
their like stamp to help if you
if you address it or say something

658
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:57.320
that's totally out of pocket, they're
gonna they're gonna say they're gonna say something

659
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:01.239
exactly, You're like, now,
my reputations on the line, so it's

660
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:07.559
like, exactly, I got to
present it a certain way. That's that's

661
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.880
crazy. I mean, murder will
always happen. You will never ever run

662
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:17.639
out of podcasts. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, it's like it's it will

663
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:22.519
never stop. People will never stop
killing people, which is horrible and unfortunately

664
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:29.239
the crimes just get more weird and
gruesome and gnarly. Yeah, the years

665
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:36.199
go on, technology and yeah,
it's like we get oddly perversely creative about

666
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.440
doing things in really awful ways,
like and that's why I don't understand why

667
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:43.039
they get buried. It's like,
no tell us, like, so we

668
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:50.960
can stay away from people like this
now is your You said your mom couldn't

669
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:52.559
be here today, But you guys
have an episode, GNA, you're gonna

670
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:57.199
do an episode coming up together?
Right, Yeah, we just strapped one

671
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.280
on Wednesday. We did change our
uplue for equen see is my new job.

672
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:05.199
So we're doing one. It's not
coming out this ones, that'll be

673
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.880
the following Wednesday. So every other
Wednesday we have a new episode out and

674
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:14.159
that's your thing. Okay, So
we have we're we're approaching the hour mark

675
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:15.760
here, so we're just I don't
want to keep you forever and ever,

676
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:21.199
but I want to make sure that
we let all of the Creek Nation know

677
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.800
all the details for Courtney and Book
of the Dead. Podcasts are going to

678
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:30.760
be linked in uh, the other
places not so much, but YouTube.

679
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.760
It will stay there. It'll take
her take you to her links so that

680
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.760
you can find her podcast. You
can follow her on the socials and listen

681
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:44.599
to her and her mom break down
these crazy cases and then crack up.

682
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:52.159
When I hear your mom, you
could tell she just wants to She's she

683
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:54.079
literally wants to go to murder herself
and listen. But she just has this

684
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:59.199
nice, little, good, nice
grandma on my mom. And then you're

685
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:04.039
like, yeah, she'll get you. Well she'll actually she's like, I'll

686
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.440
give me five minutes alone with them. And I'm like, I think I

687
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:09.960
heard her say, oh my gosh, I don't remember which one I was

688
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:13.519
listening to. I don't remember which
one she said that, but she did

689
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.119
say that she probaly says it more
often than five minutes. I mean,

690
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:23.159
well, I I really do appreciate
you coming on our After Dark segment and

691
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:29.960
this will stay on our YouTube channel
for replays. So if if you are

692
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.639
watching this in the replay, really
would appreciate if you would leave a skull

693
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.159
in the comments so that we know
that you were here, because her little

694
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:39.239
logo has a skull, so we're
going to choose that and that way we

695
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:45.239
know that you stop by afterwards.
And again, please check out her socials.

696
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.679
They were all below here in the
video. And Courtney, thank you

697
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.760
so so much. Do you have
anything closing words you'd like to say to

698
00:54:53.800 --> 00:55:00.400
the creeps out there? Thank you
for having me. Thanks guys for listening,

699
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:06.800
you know finding this watch? Yeah, I hope if you do check

700
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:08.719
out the podcast you like it.
It's a little review, makes me happy,

701
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:16.440
makes my little heart a little less
cold. Nah, all right,

702
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:22.440
everybody, So this podcast she is
available everywhere pretty much like I said,

703
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.800
so I will put everything up there. Courtney, if you can hang around

704
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:31.199
after the live, we're gonna just
chat real quick. But again, stay

705
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:37.440
creepy, my friends. We'll catch
you next time here Creepy Confidential. Bye,

706
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:43.039
guys, Thank you so much for
listening to this chapter of the Book

707
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:46.679
of the Dead. And don't forget
that you can always connect with us on

708
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:52.800
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709
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:58.079
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710
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.400
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711
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:07.639
by myself at a better cost.
We hope you have a lovely rest of

712
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:14.960
your week and just remember please be
kind and don't forget to always stay safe,

713
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:22.599
stay curious, and stay vigilant.
Bye guys, Bye,