Darkcast Network Presents: Wicked Intentions-Halloween True Crime Stories

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Welcome to Wicked Week here at dark
Cast Network. I'm Ray of Rogue Darkness

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Podcast. Here for today's episode of
dark Cast Networks Wicked Week. Spooky season

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continues as you know, it's dark
Cast Network's favorite season. Today is spooky

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true crime stories. But don't be
scared. We will be right here with

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you to see you through. In
the fall of two thousand and one,

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approximately forty thousand students attended Penn State
at the main campus in State College,

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Pennsylvania. On Halloween, thousands of
them donned costumes and went to celebrate with

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friends at bars, clubs, and
off campus apartments. Yung Jong Cindy Song

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was one of these students. The
twenty one year old integrative arts major was

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set to graduate the following spring and
usually didn't party during the week. But

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even though it was a Wednesday,
it was also hallow, so Cindy donned

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a bunny outfit and went clubbing with
friends. By all accounts, she had

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a great night. But in the
early hours of November first, two thousand

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and one, something happened to Cindy
Song and she was never seen alive again.

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I'm Coni Gallagher, host of And
then they were gone. And today

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I'm going to tell you the story
of hun Jong Cindy Song. October thirty

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first, two thousand and one,
was the first semester of Cindy's senior year

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Penn State. That night, Cindy
dressed and a bunny costume and joined her

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friends Stacey Paig and Lisa Kim at
a college club called Player's Nightclub. Cindy

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and her friends stayed at until around
two am, at which point they went

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back to a friend's apartment and played
video games. At four am, Stacy

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drove Cindy home. She dropped her
off but didn't stay to make sure Cindy

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made it inside. Remember this is
two thousand and one, before the age

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of social media. In constant connection, Cindy was a full time student with

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two jobs, and she lived in
an off campus apartment. Not only that,

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but her her parents were in South
Korea, so presumably they didn't talk

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daily, So no one immediately thought
anything was wrong when a few days passed

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without anybody hearing from her. But
that Saturday, when Cindy didn't show up

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for a shift at a local Korean
restaurant, people started to realize that something

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was wrong. That day, friends
called police and reported Cindy missing. Unfortunately,

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as we often seen in the case
of missing adults, Ferguson Township police

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didn't seem to initially take the report
very seriously because it was the weekend when

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she was reported missing. The report
went to patrol and didn't even land on

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a detective's desk until that Monday.
When I first started researching this case and

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saw that Stacy didn't wait to see
if Cindy made it safely inside, my

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immediate thought was, all right,
well, somebody snatched her. But when

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her friends and police actually went through
her apartment, they found evidence that Cindy

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did in fact make it inside.
Cindy had been wearing false eyelashes, It's

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part of her costume, and when
police to her apartment on Monday, November

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fifth, they found those on her
bathroom sink. They also found the backpack

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that she normally carried with her,
and most alarmingly, they found her cell

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phone, which was powered off.
Now, what they didn't find was Cindy's

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purse, her wallet, her keys, or the bunny costume. Other than

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the eyelashes, they also saw no
signs of a struggle or any other foul

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play. Now, based on this
it appears as that Cindy left her apartment

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willingly but didn't necessarily plan to be
gone for long. She took her keys

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in her purse, locking the door
from the outside, but she left her

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phone behind. She also didn't bother
to change out of her bunny costume.

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That led investigators to believe that she
left shortly after being dropped off. Our

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relationships with cell phones were different in
two thousand and one, so it wasn't

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glued to your hand like it is
now. If it's four in the morning,

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it makes sense that Cindya would leave
it behind because who's she going to

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be calling. At that point,
Cindy's mother came over from Korea to search

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for her daughter. Cindy had gone
through a rough breakup about a month prior

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to her disappearance, and her family
speculated that Cindy could have died by suicide

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or just decided to leave because of
this. Her friends disagreed, though they

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said that yes, Cindy had been
upset about the breakup, but it was

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a month ago and she had been
dealing with it. Cindy was even in

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therapy and had been taking medication because
of this, and beyond that, her

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friends are sure, she's not the
type of person to just up and leave.

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Plus, a search of her apartment
revealed that she had bought a new

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computer that was due to be delivered
in a few days, and most importantly,

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she had a ticket for a Britney
Spears concert the next week and again

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two thousand and one, so this
is a huge deal. At this point,

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police are thinking that the most likely
scenario is that Cindy popped out to

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a twenty four hour grocery store to
grab something quickly, and somebody got a

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hold of her, either on her
way there or her way back. There

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was a giant grocery store right by
her house, and Cindy known to go

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there at all hours of the night
pick up snacks or what have you.

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But Cindy's credit cards weren't used there, and by the time detectives went to

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the store to get surveillance tape,
there was nothing from that night. Given

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the lack of clues in Cindy's disappearance, the police had to look at a

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variety of different possibilities. Stranger abductions
are exceedingly rare, so investigators started looking

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into the people in Cindy's life.
They interviewed all of her friends, her

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family, her ex boyfriend Patrick,
but according to Detective Brian Sprinkle quote,

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there wasn't any indication that he was
involved in any way end quote. There

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were reported sightings of Cindy as far
away as Philadelphia, but none of them

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turned out to be her. Soon, police seemingly came to the conclusion that

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it wasn't anybody in her life who
was responsible for her disappearance, and that

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it was in fact a stranger abduction. Un Fortunately, they began to believe

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that she was kidnapped and murdered,
so efforts began to focus on body retrieval.

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In the days and weeks after her
disappearance, the dumpsters around her neighborhood

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were searched, as were the local
woods. Aerial searches were also performed to

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no avail. Meanwhile, tensions are
high back in State College. Cindy's family

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immediately took action upon arriving State Side, and one of the first things they

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did was clean out Cindy's apartment,
which destroyed any potential physical evidence that may

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have been left behind. The Song
family also joined up with Penn State student

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groups, including the Black Caucus and
the Korean Undergraduate Students Association and other community

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members to form the Coalition for the
Search for Cindy Song. On January thirty

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one, two thousand and two,
the group held a press conference in which

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they were highly critical of both Penn
State and the Ferguson Township Police Department.

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According to an article in The Daily
Collegion, the Song family spokes for Jim

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Hahn said at the press conference,
quote words cannot begin to express the agony

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the Song family has felt since the
disappearance of their daughter. This has been

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compounded by the poor investigation end quote. Cindy's mother, bond Soon, was

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so upset with the way Ferguson Township
was handling the investigation that she delivered a

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petition to the Governor's office in Harrisburg
with fifteen thousand signatures demanding that state police

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take over the investigation full time.
In a move that seems a little retaliatory,

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Detective Brian Sprinkle and Ferguson Township Police
stopped communicating with the Song family.

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He claims that this decision was made
quote for Cindy's sake in the case and

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not the family, adding quote we
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and just to give you a little
more context of the contentious relationship between the

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Song family and the police tests with
finding Cindy. Detective Sprinkles said of the

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family, quote, it's a cultural
thing. I mean they were upset and

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fresh traded. They didn't understand how
things worked here in the US end quote.

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The next year, Cindy's story was
featured in Unsolved Mysteries. Many tips

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were called in, but unfortunately none
of them led to Cindy. But then

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in two thousand and three, her
story took a much darker path. In

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June of that year, five bodies
were found on the wilkes Bury property of

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a man named Hugo Selenski. Another
man named Paul Weakley, who was alleged

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to be Selensky's accomplice, told police
that Selensky had bragged about killing over twenty

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people and one of them was Cindy's
Song. Investigators from Ferguson Township went up

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to interview Weekly, who claimed that
Selensky, a convicted bank robber, and

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a friend, pharmacist Michael Jason Kurkowski
Junior, had been in state college the

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knight Cindy disappeared. Weekly said that
Selensky and Kurkowski saw Cindy walking alone in

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her bunny costume, mistook her for
a prostitute in kidnap. According to Weekly,

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the pair drove her two hundred miles
back to Selenski's property in Wilkesbury and

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held her captive for several days while
assaulting her before finally murdering her. Weekly

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even said that they kept Cindy's bunny
ears as a souvenir. Nearly two years

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after Cindy's disappearance, investigators felt that
they were finally getting somewhere. While everyone

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was hopeful that this lead would give
a resolution to Cindy's story, it just

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wasn't meant to be. Four of
the five bodies were identified, but the

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one unidentified body was ruled out to
be Cindy. Later, as authorities investigated

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Weekly further, they found evidence on
his computer that he had done searches on

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Cindy Song's case without a body or
any other evidence linking Selenski to Cindy's disappearance.

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Police eventually discounted Weekly's story. Though
these bodies were found in two thousand

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and three, Yugo Selensky wasn't convicted
of murdering Michael Kurkowski and his girlfriend,

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Tammy Facett until twenty fifteen, though
Selensky was convicted of lesser charges related to

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the bodies of two local drug dealers
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But here's where things get extra spooky. Selenski's original lawyer and a private investigator

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were charged with witness intimidation and bribery
during this A reporter for The Morning Call

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dug up the grand jury findings from
this case and found this on page one,

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quote authorities have linked the discovery of
approximately a dozen deceased, slash destroyed

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human bodies at a Lozern County residence
to Selenski. Then, on page five,

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it says Loser and County authorities believe
that Selenski was directly involved in the

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murder of approximately twelve human beings found
burned and buried in a pit in his

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backyard. End quote. This was
in twenty fifteen, and to this day,

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these other bodies have never been identified. Cindy's song remains missing. If

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to and Than They Were Gone.
Good evening listener. My name is DJ

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and I'm the host of the mythical
true crime podcast. I cover aptivating tales

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of true crime, legends and unsolved
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Uncover the dark true tales of modern
legends with our spoken narratives that blend

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history, crime, and the supernatural. Tonight's story involves a young man named

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Yoshiro Hati, who was born in
the Achi Prefecture in Japan, the second

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of the three children they Amachi Hatiro, an engineer, and his wife Miko

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Hati. Sixteen years old and went
to the Baton Rouge, Louisiana School in

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August nineteen ninety two as part of
an American Field Service Studentshick Exchange program.

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He also had received a scholarship from
the Marita Foundation for his trip. Yoshi,

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which he liked to go by,
was hosted as a homestay student in

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Baton Rouge by Richer and Holly Haymaker, who was a professor and a physician,

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respectively, and their teenage son Webb. Two months into his stay in

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the United States, Yoshi and his
home state brother Webb, received an invitation

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to a Halloween party that was to
happen on October seventeenth, nineteen ninety two.

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It was organized for Japanese exchange students
only. Yoshi went dressed in a

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white tuxedo, an imitation of John
Travolta's character in the film Saturday Night Fever.

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Now around eight pm, Webb and
Yoshi drove to the neighborhood in East

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Baton Rouge Parish where the party was
supposed to be beheld. The two youths

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mistook the residence of Rodney Pears,
a thirty year old supermarket butcher, and

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his wife Bonnie, for their intended
destination do the dissimilarity of the address and

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the Halloween decorations on the outside of
the home. Yoshi and Webb walked up

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to the front door's house and rang
the doorbell. No one came to the

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front door, but Bonnie had opened
the side door, letting into the card

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port and saw that Webb was standing
a few yards away. Webb was wearing

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a neck brace due to an injury
and bandages as part of his Halloween costume.

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He attempted to address Bonnie, but
later she testified saying that she panicked

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when Yoshi appeared from around the corner
and moved briskly towards her. He slammed

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the door and told her husband,
Rodney, to get his gun now outside.

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Webb inferred that he and Yoshi had
come to the wrong house. They

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were preparing to return to their car
when Rodney opened the carport door, armed

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with a forty four magnum revolver.
Yoshi stepped back towards Rodney, saying we're

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here just for the party. Rodney
pointed the gun at him and yelled freeze.

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Webb fought sight of the firearm and
shot in warning to Yoshi. But

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Yoshi had limited English and was not
wearing his contact lenses that evening, so

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it was possible that he didn't understand
Rodney's command to freeze, and he did

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not see the weapon, or he
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some Halloween prank. Yoshi was holding
a camera which Rodney mistook for a weapon,

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and when Yoshi continued moving towards Rodney, Rodney fired his gun at him

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in a distance of about five feet, hitting him in the chest and retreating

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back inside of his house. Webb
ran into the home next door for help,

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returning with the neighbor to find Yoshi
badly wounded and lying on his back.

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Rodney did not come out of the
house until the police arrived about forty

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minutes later. After the shooting,
Bonnie shouted to the neighbors to quote,

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go away. When the neighbors called
for help, the shot pierced the upper

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and lower lobes of Yoshi's left lung
and exited through the area of the seventh

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rib. He died in the ambulance
minutes later from bothe loss now. Initially,

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the Baton Rouge police department quickly questioned
the release of Rodney and declined to

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charge him with any crime because,
quote, in their view, Rodney had

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been within his rights to shoot the
trespasser. Only after the Louisiana Governor Edwin

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Edwards and the Japanese consul of New
Orleans presented protested that Rodney be charged with

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manslaughter. Rodney's defense said that his
claim that Yoshi was extremely unusual manner of

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moving was any reasonable person would find
it quote scary. It emphasized that Rodney

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was just an average joe, a
man just like the jury members neighbors,

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a man who likes sugar and his
grits. At trial, Rodney testified that

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the moment just before the shooting,
this is his quote, it was a

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person coming from behind the car moving
real fast. That point I pointed the

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gun freeze. The person kept coming
towards me, moving very erratically. At

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that time. I hollered for him
to stop. He didn't. He kept

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moving forward. I remember him laughing. I was scared to death. This

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person was not going to stop.
He was going to do harm to me.

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Rodney testified that he shot Yoshi once
in the chest when the youth was

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about five feet away. He said
quote, I felt I had no choice.

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I'm very sorry for this to have
ever happened. A police detective testified

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that Rodney said to him before,
boy, I messed up, I made

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a mistake. District Attorney Doug Monroe
concentrated on establishing that it was not reasonable

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for Rodney, a six foot two
tall man armed, to be so fearful

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of a polite, friendly, unarmed
one hundred thirty one hundred and thirty pound

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boy who rang the doorbell, even
if he walked in towards him unexpectedly in

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the carport, and that Rodney is
just justifying and is not justified using deadly

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force. The defense further argued that
Rodney was in large part reacting reasonably to

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his wife's panic. Bonnie who testified
for an hour that about the incident,

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during of which had cried several times. Her quote saying, quote he referring

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to Yoshi was coming real fast towards
me. I had never had somebody to

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come at me like that before.
I was terrified. Rodney did not hesitate

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or question her, because instead he
went to retrieve his handgun with a laser

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sight stored in a suitcase in the
bedroom. There was no thinking involved,

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she said, I just I wish
I could have thought. I wish I

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could have just thought. Bonnie continued, while giving a description of Yoshi at

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the trial. Bonnie said, I
guess he appeared oriental. He could have

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been Mexican or whatever. He was
taller than me, and his skin was

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darker colored. The trial lasted seven
days. The jury returned a not guilty

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verdict after deliberating for approximately three hours. Fort room spectators applauded the verdict with

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when it was announced now Later there
was a civil trial that happened. In

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a civil action. However, the
court found Rodney liable to Yoshi's parents for

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six hundred and fifty thousand dollars in
damages, which they used to establish two

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charitable funds in their son's name,
one to fund the US high school students

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wishing to visit Japan, and also
one to fund organizations that lobby for gun

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control. The lawyers of Yoshi's parents
argued that while Rodney and his wife acted

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unreasonably, Bonnie overreacted in the presence
of the two teens outside the house,

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and the couple behaved unreasonably by not
communicating with each other to convey what exactly

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the perceived threat was. They had
not taken the best path of safety,

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remaining inside the house and calling the
police. They had erred in taking offensive

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action rather than defensive action, and
Rodney used his firearms too quickly without assessing

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the situation, firing a warning shot
or shooting to wound further. The much

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larger Rodney would have easily subdued the
short, slightly built Yoshi. Contrary to

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Rodney's claim that Yoshi was moving strangely
and quickly towards him, forensic evidence demonstrates

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that Yoshi actually was moving very slowly, if not at all, and his

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hands and arms were away from his
body, indicating he was in no threating

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position. Overall, a far greater
show of force was used than it was

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supposed to be appropriate. Now.
The Pearsons appealed the decision, and in

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the Louisiana Court of Appeals they upheld
the judgment in October nineteen ninety five.

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Second appeal in the Supreme Court of
Louisiana was rejected in January nineteen ninety six,

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and of the six hundred and fifty
thousand dollars judgment, Rodney's insurance company

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paid one hundred thousand of that,
while Rodney himself was technically responsible for paying

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the remaining five hundred and fifty thousand
dollars. Now after the trial, Rodney

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told the press that he was never
again he would never again own a gun.

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In a twenty thirteen source said that
he had lost his home and his

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supermarket job following the shooting, and
was now living in a trailer park.

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The Japanese public were shocked by the
killing of and by Rodney's fiddle, Yoshi's

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parents and his American host parents.
The Haymakers went on to become active campaigners

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for gun law reform in the United
States. In November in eighteen ninety three,

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they met with President Bill Clinton,
who was presented with a partition signed

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by one point seven million Japanese citizens
urging stronger gun crenrol. A petition signed

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by one hundred and twenty thousand American
citizens was also presented to Congress. The

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Hataris and the Haymakers lent their support
to the Brady Bill, originally introduced in

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the House of Representatives in nineteen ninety
one, which mandated background checks in a

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five day waiting period for the purchase
of firearms in the United States. It

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was signed into law by President Bill
Clinton November thirtieth, nineteen ninety three,

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as the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
Now. According to Walter Mondale, the

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US Ambassador to Japan, who presented
Yoshi's parents with a copy of the Act

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December third, nineteen ninety three,
Yoshi's death had quote a very definitive impact

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on passage of the Brady Bill,
and the Hattori and Haymaker families remained active

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incune control activism. In March twenty
eighteen, following the Stoneman Douglas High School

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shooting, the Hattaris participated in the
March for Our Lives and spoke with survivors

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following the killing. Some argued that
had Yoshi been white, Bonnie would not

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have reacted the way she did.
The Haymakers started an interview followed the trial

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and that had to been white.
They believe that he never would have been

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killed, noting that Bonnie years said
that she was first noticed that Hattari had

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darker colored skin than her, and
in her testimony she did define that he

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was a different race than her.
Some in the Baton Rouge said that Bonnie

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was frightened because she believed that Yoshi
was a light skinned black man. Bonnie

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rejected notions that her reactions had been
racially motivated, stating it was his fast

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movement towards the door that scared me, not the color of his skin,

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and in the court of public opinion, I say it was racially motivated.

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He overreacted. Her husband, not
thinking, grabbed his gun and fired it

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at a perceived threat, taking the
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vaguely leading into the paranormal. Again, this is DJ with the Mythical True

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crime podcast associate of the dark Cast
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a happy Halloween. Good night,
Hey, there, I'm cja Beyond the

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Rainbow. True Crimes of the LGBTQ
Plus podcast. The silent film era started

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around the nineteen hundreds and it continued
on until almost the nineteen thirties. That's

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when talkies movies with sound and dialogue
took over between nineteen twenty six and nineteen

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thirty, but before that, silent
film stars were gushed upon by their fans

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of the time, Charlie Chaplin,
Lillian Gish, Mary Pickford, and Rudolph

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Valentino. They were some of the
most well known actors of the era,

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and though he was nowhere near as
popular as silent film star Rudolph Valentino,

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Ramon Navarro had devastatingly good looks in
Leading Man Charm. He had a chiseled

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chin, great bone structure, dark
wavy hair, intense eyes, and a

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heavy Mexican accent, but since he
was a silent film actor, his accent

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did not interfere with his getting American
roles. Ramone was a devout Catholic and

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gay, which was a huge point
of inner conflict for him as well.

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Being an actor and openly gay would
be instant career death during that time if

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he chose to stay closeted, which
would play a part in his untimely death.

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Ramone was successful in his career and
with keeping his sexual identity a secret,

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he hired male sex workers to fulfill
his fantasies and his needs. Besides

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sex workers being a vice, he
also leaned heavily on alcohol as a coping

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mechanism. Ramone was born in nineteen
hundred and by nineteen sixty eight he was

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retired from acting and living out his
retirement in his beautiful Laurel Canyon home in

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Los Angeles, California. But Ramone
was now a frail old man, and

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the night before Halloween, on October
thirtieth, there was a knock on Ramone's

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door. Wearing a red and blue
striped robe, Ramone opened the door and

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he greeted two guests, a twenty
two year old burly man and a seventeen

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year old skinny teenage boy. Ramon
had been expecting them. The two young

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men had acquired Ramone's phone number from
a former sex worker Ramone had entertained previously.

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The two young men were brothers and
both had experienced being hustlers. Before

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they knew exactly why they were there. The old man that they were there

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to see still hired sex workers,
but mostly for their companionship. That night,

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the three men drank, laughed,
and played songs on Ramone's piano.

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Usually Ramon would get plastered and sex
was never performed. He was lonely and

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thrilled to have the young men there
just for the company. At one point

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during the night, Ramone showed the
young man a picture of him in his

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youthful days, when he was muscular
and handsome. He was wearing a toga

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from when he starred in the original
version of the movie. Ben her the

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youngest of the two brothers, said
it doesn't look like you. In order

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to prove he could still be virile, Ramone invited the young men to his

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bedroom for sex, and after the
deed was done, the burly brothers demanded

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five thousand dollars rumored to be in
the house. And in nineteen sixty eight,

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that was big money. Hell,
that's big money to me even today.

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I can just imagine what it would
have been worth back then. Then

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the little brother joined in demanding money
from Ramon. Ramone told him he didn't

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keep such a significant amount of money
on the premises, but the brothers didn't

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believe him. Ramone's denials were met
with a beating. The brothers then picked

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a bloodied and exhausted Ramona ab off
the ground and they hit him again,

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causing him to fall back onto the
floor. Afraid he would fall unconscious,

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the brothers dragged Ramon into the bathroom
to splash cold water on his face and

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to slap him awake. Ramone stumbled
out of the bathroom and fell to his

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knees. He started to pray.
One of the brothers found a cane and

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a glove in Ramone's closet. He
put the glove on and he began dancing

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around the room, twirling the cane
over to where Ramone was. He took

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the cane and he smashed it into
Ramone's genitals. Then the two young men

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took turns striking Ramone's private area with
the cane. They tied him up with

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an electrical cord and continued the beating. Finally, they tossed a battered Ramone

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onto his bed, and this is
where Ramone would die from choking on his

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own blood. The younger brother scratched
Ramone's face up, and then they both

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rummaged through Ramone's house, dumping things
on the floor, including pictures of Ramone's

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youthful days. Their intention was to
make their crimes look like a scorned woman

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had perpetrated it. One last touch
by the brothers was to write this on

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Ramone's bathroom mirror, us girls are
better than faggots. The brothers were arrested

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for Ramone's murder. At their trial, Ramone's whole life was on display for

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everyone to hear, and the brother's
defense team declared Ramone was just an old

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fag who deserved to die. That
same sentiment was echoed by the young men's

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mother, who also took the stand. In the end, the brothers were

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sentenced to life in prison, but
they were let out after only a few

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years. Halloween of nineteen sixty eight
saw no justice for the once very love

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silent film actor Ramone Navarro. Rest
in power, Ramone. Happy Halloween,

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everyone, and I from Beyond the
Rainbow. True crimes of the LGBTQ plus.

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Remember it's not a crime to be
gay. I'm not sure a murderer.

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Hello. This is Kelsey from Castle's
Encryptids. We cover paranormal and true

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crime cases, and today I will
be sharing the case of the Texarkana Moonlight

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murders. This is a series of
unsolved murders and violent attacks that were committed

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in the area of Texarkana, which
is on the border of Texas and Arkansas,

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in the spring of nineteen forty six
by a serial killer known as the

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Phantom Killer or the Phantom Slayer.
This killer attacked eight people within the span

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of ten weeks, five of whom
later died, and the case remains unsolved

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today. Texarkana was a relatively violent
place, with robberies and killings being fairly

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common, and when the crimes were
first reported, people paid very little attention

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to them. The murders began on
February twenty second, nineteen forty six,

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when around eleven fifty five pm,
Jimmy Hollis, age twenty five, and

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his girlfriend, Mary Jean Larry,
age nineteen, were parked on a secluded

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road known as Lover's Lane after going
to see a movie. The area was

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about fifty feet off from an unpaved
road and about one hundred yards from the

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last row of city homes. A
man wearing a white cloth mask resembling a

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pillowcase with eye holes cut out,
appeared at Hollis's driver's side door and shawn

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a flashlight into the window of the
car. He then pointed a pistol at

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the couple. Hollis responded that he
had the wrong person, believing that this

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could only be a prank. The
hooded man responded, quote, I don't

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want to kill you, fellow,
so do as I say. The couple

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were then ordered out of their car
using the driver's side door. Hollis was

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ordered to quote, take off his
goddamn bridges, and then he was strung

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twice in the head with the pistol
and fell to the ground. Girlfriend Larry

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thought Hollis had been shot because the
impact was so loud, but it was

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actually Hollis's skull fracturing. Larry thought
that they were being robbed, and so

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she showed the man Hollis's empty wallet. She was then also hit, and

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she too fell to the ground.
She was ordered to stand and then to

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run in a specific direction. While
running, she saw an older car abandoned,

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but it was empty, and the
hooded man soon caught up with her.

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He asked her why she was running, and she responded that he had

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told her to, and he called
her a liar. He knocked her down

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and sexually assaulted her with the barrel
of his gun. After the assault,

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Larry ran away to a nearby house
after failing to flag down a passing vehicle.

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Once at the house, she was
able to wake up the residents,

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who called the police for her.
During this time, Hollis had regained consciousness

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and had flagged down a car.
The driver had left Hollis at the scene

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and drove to a nearby funeral home
to call the police. Police arrived and

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the hooded man was nowhere to be
seen. Hollis's pants were found one hundred

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yards away from his parked car.
Larry stayed at the hospital overnight and Halla

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stayed for twelve days due to his
skull fractures. They gave conflicting statements to

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police. Larry said that the man
that attacked them was a light skinned black

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man with a white bag over his
head, and Holla said that he was

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a dark skinned white man and about
thirty years old, but was not sure

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due to the flashlight that had been
shine in his eyes. Both said that

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he was around six feet tall,
and police believed the couple knew their attacker

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and were actually covering for them.
The next attack occurred on March twenty fourth,

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nineteen forty six, when Richard L. Griffin twenty nine and his girlfriend

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Polly Anne Moore seventeen, were found
dead in Gryffin's nineteen forty one Oldsmobile sometime

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between eight thirty and nine eight m
on a different lover's lane after having dinner

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with Gryffin's sister the night before.
Gryffin was found between the front seats on

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his knees with his head resting on
his crossed hands, and more was found

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in the back seat sprawled face down. Gryffin had been shot twice while still

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in the car, with his pants
pockets turned inside out. Both had been

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shot once in the back of the
head, and both were fully closed.

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A blood soaked patch of earth near
the car suggested to police that they had

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been killed outside the car and placed
back inside. Congealed blood was found covering

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the running board of the car and
it had flowed through the bottom of the

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car door. Rain during the night
had unfortunately washed away any other evidence.

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A thirty two caliber cartridge shell was
also found at the scene, possibly shot

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from a cold pistol that had been
wrapped in a blanket. No sexual assault

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is believed to have taken place.
Police continued their search and the FBI soon

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became involved. Police even posted a
five hundred dollars reward for a conviction,

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which instead led to over one hundred
false leads. The community believed that the

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attacks were isolated incidents and not related. The third attack occurred on April thirteenth,

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nineteen sixty four, when fifteen year
old Betty Joe Booker was playing the

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saxophone with her band at their weekly
gig at a club at one thirty am

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on the fourteenth, Her friend Paul
Martin, aged seventeen, came to pick

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her up. This is the last
time they were seen alive. Martin's body

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was found around six thirty am,
lying on its side near the road,

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and blood was found on a nearby
fence. He had been shot four times,

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once through the nose, through the
ribs, through his right hand,

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and in the back of the head. Booker was found at eleven thirty am,

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two miles away. She was fully
clothed on her back with one hand

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in the pocket of her buttoned overcoat. She had been shot two times through

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the chest and the face, and
had also been sexually assaulted Martin's car was

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found nearby with the keys inside.
Police do not know who was shot first,

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but both were involved in violent struggles. Booker's saxophone was found six months

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later in its leather case in bushes
near where her body had been found.

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The community really started to panic now
that four p people were dead and two

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00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.559
others had been attacked in just two
months. When Ben went to work,

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women and children moved into the downtown
hotel called Hotel Grim. People also started

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setting up booby traps in their houses
for protection. At the time, the

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reward was increased over seventeen hundred dollars, and rumors were starting to spread about

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possible suspects. Police confirmed these rumors
were false and that no one had ever

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been arrested. The name the Phantom
came from the headline Phantom killer eludes police.

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May third, nineteen forty six.
Virgil Starks, a thirty seven year

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00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:37.480
old farmer and welder, was attacked
around eight fifty p m Zada's house,

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ten miles outside of Texarcana. Virgil
was in his sitting room listening to the

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radio with a heating pad on his
back, while his wife, Katie,

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thirty six, was in their bedroom
She heard a sound from the backyard and

440
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.480
yelled for Virgil to turn down the
radio. Virgil was suddenly then shot twice

441
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:58.199
in the back of the head through
the closed double window. Katie didn't hear

442
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.840
the shots, but she heard the
class. She went into the room and

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00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.519
saw Virgil stand up and then slump
back into the chair. She saw the

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00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.559
gunshot wound in his head and ran
to call the police. While trying to

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00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:13.159
get to the phone, she was
shot twice in the face from that same

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window that Virgil had been shot from. One bullet entered her right cheek and

447
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:21.280
exited behind her left ear. The
other entered below her lip, broke her

448
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:25.000
jaw and splintered multiple teeth before lodging
under her tongue. She dropped to her

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00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.920
knees, then was able to get
to her feet and ran to get the

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pistol from their living room, but
she couldn't see because the blood was pouring

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00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:37.480
into her eyes. She heard the
killer tearing open the rusted screenwire on the

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back porch. She thought she was
going to be killed, so she stumbled

453
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towards the bedroom near the front of
the house to leave a note. Meanwhile,

454
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.199
the killer ran to the back of
the house and made his way up

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00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:51.440
the steps and into the side screen
porch through the back screen door. She

456
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.000
heard the killer coming through the kitchen
window, so she turned around and ran

457
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through the dining room, through the
bedroom, down a hallway, through another

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bedroom, and then finally into the
living room out the front door, leaving

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behind what was described as a virtual
river of blood and tea throughout the house

460
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.000
and across the street. Barefoot and
still in her bloodsiak nightgown, she ran

461
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:14.639
across the street to her sister and
brother in law's house. Because no one

462
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.679
was home, She ran an additional
fifty yards more to another neighbor's house named

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Prad. Praterer answered her call for
help. She gasped virgils dead, then

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00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:27.800
collapsed. Prater fired a shot into
the air to summon another neighbor who got

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00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.639
his car, and the pair were
able to drive Katie to the hospital.

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During the drive, she slipped in
and out of consciousness, but she was

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not going into shock and later was
even able to be questioned in the operating

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00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:43.000
room by the police. Do the
rising fear in the community. Twenty to

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00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:47.760
thirty police officers suddenly swarmed the farmhouse
to gather evidence In question witnesses when a

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00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:52.159
police arrived at the scene. Reports
say that the chair Virgil had been in

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00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.480
was on fire because of the electric
heating pad that had been on the Reports

472
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.760
differ on whether his body was still
in the chair or if it had slumped

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00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:05.199
to the floor and had avoided getting
burned. Investigators declared that after the killer

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00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.920
shot Virgil, he waited patiently outside
the window to shoot the wife, Katie.

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Some clues were found at this scene, including the bullet used twenty two

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00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.440
this time instead of a thirty two, as well as a semi automatic gun

477
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.159
being used, a flashlight found underneath
the window, and bloody footprints were found

478
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:28.440
around the house, believed to be
the phantom again. Police set up roadblocks

479
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.159
and picked up several men in the
area and brought them in for questioning.

480
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:36.119
Bloodhounds were used to track the blood
from the scene down to the highway,

481
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.599
but the trail was lost. A
flashlight that was found at the scene was

482
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:43.719
sent to Washington, d c.
To the FBI. An unofficial theory for

483
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.039
the motive among officers was that of
a sex maniac, as large amounts of

484
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money in the home were not taken, nor was Katie's purse. Which was

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laying on the bed. The title
on the front page of the Texarcana Gazette

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on Sunday, May fifth, nineteen
forty six read sex maniac hunted in On

487
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:05.119
the night of Virgil's death, a
reward fund was up to seven twenty five

488
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.280
dollars, and police urged the public
to stop spreading misinformation about the crimes,

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00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:13.519
as it may hinder their investigations.
Reports from the FBI came back and the

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00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.400
flashlight that was found at the scene
contained no fingerprints. Instead, they put

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00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:22.599
a picture of the flashlight and a
headline reading have you seen this two cell

492
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:27.440
flashlight? In the newspaper, hoping
to get information. Police then asked the

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00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.239
public to report anyone who was out
of place or had unknown whereabouts on the

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00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.400
nights of any of the murders involved, and all rewards were combined to a

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00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.639
total sum of ten thousand dollars.
By nineteen forty eight, police no longer

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00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:43.480
believed the murder of Virgil an attempted
murder of Katie to be connected to the

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other murders, due to the older
age of the couple and the couple being

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00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:51.719
killed at their house instead of at
a car on lover's lane. As well

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00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:55.159
as the different god used. In
nineteen forty six, rumors spread that the

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killer had been caught and was actually
in prison, but police in newspaper report

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00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.320
that this was false. Because no
other people could provide a description of the

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00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.199
killer, it is difficult to confirm
what they ever looked like or if they

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00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:12.119
ever were wearing a mask. During
these other attacks, police knew that they

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00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.480
always attacked on the weekend, usually
three weeks apart, and always at night.

505
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:21.440
The tech Sarkana public became more and
more concerned, and some teenagers even

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00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.760
took matters into their own hands,
trying to bait the phantom so that they

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00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:28.480
could kill them at night. The
town become a ghost town, with drops

508
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:32.840
in sales forcing stores nearby to close
early, and imagined reports of prowlers kept

509
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:38.039
all the police in town busy.
Police and volunteers even sat in cars parked

510
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:43.519
on lovers lanes as decoys trying to
bait the phantom. Throughout the investigation,

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almost four hundred people have been on
the suspect list or have been questioned,

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with many suspects being eliminated. Since
nineteen forty six, the town of Texarkana

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has come to terms with their legacy. In nineteen seventy six, the film

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The Town That Dreaded Sundown, which
we loosely based on the true events of

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00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.840
the case, was released. Despite
the movie's claim that quote only the names

516
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.400
have been changed. Because the movie
claimed that the story you're about to see

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00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.440
is true, where it happened,
and how it happened. The fabricated parts

518
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.880
of the stories created much of the
myth and folklore around the murders for the

519
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:23.039
next several decades. The nineteen seventy
six film also spawned a twenty fourteen remake

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00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:29.280
in the town of Texarcana. Every
October near Halloween, the nineteen seventy six

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00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.840
movie is played at an outdoor Movies
at the Park event that's sponsored by the

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00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:37.159
Department of Parks and Recreation. The
tradition started in two thousand and three,

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00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:43.360
and approximately six hundred people attend it
each year. If you would like to

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00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.039
hear the full list of suspects and
all the evidence involved in this case,

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00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:52.480
you can head over to The Castles
Encryptids episode thirty one, where I cover

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00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.039
the case in depth. Until then, I hope you enjoyed. Thanks for

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00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.760
listening, and keep it cryptic.
Next up, we have a true crime

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00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:06.599
story from Tiffany of Crime over Cocktails. I just wanted to put a warning

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00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.480
out there in the beginning that just
in case, if anyone had any triggers

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00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:14.239
or anything like that, that may
not be the episode for you. So

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00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.320
I just wanted to give you fair
warning. Amanda Taylor grew up in Florida

532
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:22.880
with her mother, and she didn't
exactly have an easy life. She actually

533
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:30.039
never met her father and her mom
was an alcoholic so bad at the age

534
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:36.159
eleven that her uncle Matthew decided to
take her home with him and he lived

535
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:39.360
in Christianburg, Virginia. When she
moved to Virginia, she was able to

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00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:44.159
have a normal life. She had
friends, she went to school, she

537
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:49.039
was getting good grades. She met
her best friend, Mariah Roebuck while at

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00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.880
school and they were inseparable from that
point on. If you saw one,

539
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:58.280
he saw the other. Mariah introduced
her to another friend of hers, Rex

540
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:02.000
Taylor, was two years older than
Amanda, but there was an instant attraction.

541
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.440
They also had many things in common, like they shared the same birthday.

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00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:14.119
They were both obsessed with horror,
horror films, nasty, gruesome pictures.

543
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:20.119
They were just obsessed with murder and
killings and serial killers. So the

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00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.360
three of them would just kind of
sit around and watch horror movies all day.

545
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:27.679
They loved the gore, the effects. They even had joined a community

546
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.480
online that was everything horror. They
were also talking with serial killers and was

547
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:37.199
part of a serial killer fan club. Do y' all know that existed,

548
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:44.840
because I did not. So Amanda
ended up getting pregnant in the tenth grade

549
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:47.800
and dropped out of high school.
By March of twenty fourteen, they were

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00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.599
already married for nine years and had
two children, six year old Damien and

551
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:58.280
seventeen month old Dayla. Amanda's a
loving mother. She likes to spend time

552
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.079
with her kids. She liked to
take them place, post pictures on social

553
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:06.400
media. She just loved being a
mother and she loved being with her family.

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00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.159
But about eight years into the marriage, Rex was starting to get very

555
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:15.960
depressed. He used to battle with
depression in years before, but it seemed

556
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:20.320
as if it was coming back,
and he just seemed to like always look

557
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.760
like he was in pain. You
could see the pain on his face.

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He wanted to be there for the
family, but he just doesn't know how

559
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.400
to shake it off. So he
decides he's going to go and turn to

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00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.360
his dad, try to get some
good fatherly advice. See if his dad

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00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.639
knows what he can do to try
to shake off all this depression, how

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00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.800
to get back to his normal self. So he goes and sees his father,

563
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.800
Charlie Taylor. Now Charlie tried to
be the best dad he could be,

564
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:52.719
but unfortunately he had demons of his
own that he was fighting. He

565
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.920
was taking pain meds for an injured
back for something that happened at work,

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00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:01.119
but it was obvious that it became
to the point where he was now abusing

567
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.679
them. He was taking more than
he should. You know, he's zonked

568
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:09.840
out. So when Rex shows up
looking for help, his father helps him,

569
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:14.360
really the only way that he even
knows how to help. So he

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00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.000
gives him a pain pill and said, now just relax. Rex at first

571
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.320
did not want to take this.
He's like, no, no, I'm

572
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.639
not doing pills this and that,
But you know, he was just so

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00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:27.400
desperate. His father promised it would
make him feel better, so he trusted

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00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:31.119
him and he took it. Before
long, Rex is now also addicted to

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00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:36.960
the pain medication and is also drinking
heavenly on top of that. Amanda is

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00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:43.960
not happy because now he's either drunk
or high all the time, and constantly

577
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:49.519
begging him to just stop, please
stop, go get help. You know,

578
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.320
I need you, kids need you. Stuff like that. You know,

579
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:58.480
like clearly one person can't do at
all. He promised to get sober,

580
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.800
but it was a promise he couldn't
keep. So Amanda decides, you

581
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.960
know what, I'm done. She
takes the kids and she goes to her

582
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.800
mother's house. He's a mess,
begging her not to leave, and then

583
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:13.960
he will change. But she's heard
it before, and she said, you

584
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:16.480
know what this time, No,
you're not gonna tell me. You're gonna

585
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:22.199
show me. You're gonna have to
show me that you can get sober and

586
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:27.239
get clean. In August of twenty
fourteen, Amanda was giving her son Damien

587
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:32.519
a birthday party. It was his
seventh birthday. Amanda even decided she invited

588
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:37.400
Rex to come so he could see
his kids for a few hours. But

589
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:43.360
after time's going on, she's realizing
he's not there. They try to call

590
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.320
him. He's not answering the phone. It's very odd. Even his mother

591
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:51.639
kept calling him to see where he
was, but he's not answering, and

592
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:54.920
she just felt something wrong. I
gotta go check it out. So she

593
00:47:55.000 --> 00:48:00.400
actually leaves the party and then head's
over. She goes to the side door.

594
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:05.639
She found him in the garage on
his knees with a rope around his

595
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:10.280
neck. He had hanged himself on
his son's seventh birthday. Amantha is devastated.

596
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:15.320
Rex was her life. She couldn't
stop crying for days. She got

597
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.239
so depressed. People were starting to
get really worried about her, to the

598
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.800
point where she wasn't even taking care
of her kids anymore. She couldn't get

599
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:27.280
out of the bed. Her parents
had to start taking care of the kids

600
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:31.559
because she was just going deeper and
deeper. So Mariah comes over one day

601
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:37.960
and to see how she's doing.
And Amanda was looking online at some videos,

602
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.719
so she called her over to look
at him, and Mariah was,

603
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.119
I guess you could say shocked.
It was videos of people hanging themselves.

604
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.599
She asked like, why are you
doing why are you watching this? Why

605
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.800
are you doing this to yourself?
And she just told her, like,

606
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:57.320
hey, relax, and then she
would ask which one do you think is

607
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:02.239
the most relatable to Rex. Mariah's
scared She's like, Okay, this has

608
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:08.119
taken a creepy turn. Her obsession
just grows and grows and grows. Amanda

609
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:15.719
starts going into chat rooms looking for
another twisted soul and ends up meeting Sean

610
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:22.960
Ball, who claims to be ex
military in the Navy and has pictures all

611
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:27.840
over the social media of graphic photos
from war or ones that he just kind

612
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.679
of thought were cool. So she
sent up a message asking him like,

613
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:35.280
did you actually kill anybody? And
she wanted to hear all the gory details,

614
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.519
so she decides to bring her over
to Mariah's house for a horror film

615
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:45.239
marathon. It was obvious that Sean
was smitten with Amanda and he was trying

616
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.320
to impress her. Some of the
friends that were there also remember him telling

617
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.199
her things like I can rip a
man's head off with my bare hands,

618
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:59.639
and that she just looked at him
like, oh my god, your dream

619
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.920
man. So coming up on March
twenty seven, twenty fifteen, it was

620
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.639
Rex and Amanda's birthday, and this
is the first one since his death.

621
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.719
She told Mariah, you know,
I don't know if I can handle it.

622
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:14.679
I'm not sure I can make it, and she's telling her you know

623
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:17.840
you can, and you will.
You're gonna be fine. We're here.

624
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:24.159
They go to his grave and she
just drops her knees. She's crying.

625
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:29.679
She's cleaning off the leaves on his
grave, just saying like I love you,

626
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:35.920
and then she just snaps. He
puts a knife that she had in

627
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.679
her purse and puts it up to
her throat, screaming, I want to

628
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:44.119
be with Rex. Why won't you
let me be with him? Her friends

629
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.320
are able to get the knife away
from her, but they are all freaking

630
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:52.920
terrified. They didn't understand how it
went from like zero to one hundred or

631
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.599
real quick. I mean, I'm
sure they knew she was going to be

632
00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:00.000
some kind of emotional, especially because
she was drinking all the way there,

633
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:04.719
but you know, they didn't expect
her to do anything like that, and

634
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.480
especially because when they went to try
to get the knife from her, she

635
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:12.760
started almost lash out back at them. So her uncle gets involved again and

636
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.719
puts her in a five day program
in Redford, Virginia under suicide watch.

637
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:22.440
They will only release her to a
responsible adult. Well after forty eight hours,

638
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.000
she's ready to leave and she tries
to call Mariah. Mariah's like nope.

639
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.559
She calls her mom, begs her
mom nope, calls her uncle,

640
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:36.360
Nope. So they all want her
to stay and get the help that she

641
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.320
needs. She needs to fight these
demons that she's going through or she's never

642
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:44.719
gonna heal. She knows there is
one person that will come get her,

643
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:47.559
Sean Ball. As soon as she
takes off with Sean, she gets on

644
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:52.239
her social media account and says,
when this monster entered my brain? I

645
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.360
will never know, but it's here
to stay. They go to oh Hotel

646
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:58.559
to try to figure out what's the
next step. Amanda says, I went

647
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:00.960
Charlie dead. He's the one who
gave him the pills. If it wasn't

648
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:06.079
for him Rex, he'd still be
alive. Without any hesitation, Sean gets

649
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.599
up and he said, I got
this, got the keys to his jeep

650
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:13.519
and took off. When he came
back, he had a gun and more

651
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.280
than the necessary amount of AMMO.
To her like this is her night in

652
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:21.800
shining armor, she got all excited. Let's go get him. So on

653
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:27.119
April fifth, tewenty fifteen, Amanda
and Sean head over to Charlie's house.

654
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.639
Charlie of course lets him in and
he is a bit of a mess.

655
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:35.079
He's crying and tells them that he's
been thinking about, you know, hanging

656
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.440
himself too, and that he doesn't
want to be without him. I wanted

657
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:43.480
to be a good daddy. Amanda
slowly kicks the knife and as soon as

658
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:47.199
it turned three twenty seven pm,
she attacked him with the knife, stabbing

659
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:52.840
him more than thirty times and stole
money out of his wallet, which only

660
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.679
ended up being a few hundred dollars. But turns out they were not alone

661
00:52:55.719 --> 00:53:00.280
in the house. Charles takes care
of his disabled fog. He is bedroom

662
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.039
in the bedroom in the back of
the house. When the cops arrive,

663
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.199
they speak to the father and he
tells him that he recognized one of the

664
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.239
people and that it was Amanda with
an unknown male. When they try to

665
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:15.559
trace Amanda's phone, they noticed that
she had removed the SIM card that way

666
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:20.039
that they can't track her location and
she's untraceable, So then they head over

667
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.559
to her socials to see what they
can find out about her, and at

668
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:27.280
first glance, it looks like she's
a loving mom. There's picture of her

669
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:31.400
with the kids, and just as
they're sitting there looking a picture pops up

670
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:37.079
with her and the biggest smile on
her face while holding up a knife with

671
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:43.119
blood running down it and Charles's dead
body behind her. In the picture faption

672
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.760
Suri, I truly love my kids, but this is for Rex. They

673
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:50.960
end up in Gatlinburg, Tennessee,
at another hotel. Amanda wants to know

674
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.519
how many rounds of AMMO they have
and Sean's like, yeah enough, and

675
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:58.639
she's like, all right, I
want to kill every man over the age

676
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.559
of sixty. He's out for blood
now and she did not have a care

677
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:06.960
in the world. While they're there, police now know who she is,

678
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.719
and they start to look at Shawn's
socials and they aren't horrified by what they

679
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:17.000
find. They find pictures of people
getting raped, murder, decapitations. They

680
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:21.280
even thought that this may end up
worse than expected. They're not going to

681
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:24.639
stop. They're going to become serial
killers. Shawn's starting to have second thoughts.

682
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.280
You know, he was just doing
this to win her over and impress

683
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.000
her, but now she's she's trying
to go all out. And even though

684
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:36.079
he said he was down for all
the bloodshed, I think he was really

685
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:39.320
ready to call it quits after Charles. He kept telling her that they just

686
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:44.960
need to lay low, but Amanda's
mind was made up. She wasn't having

687
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.960
it. I think Amanda could also
feel that he was starting to back out,

688
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.360
So she decides let's go for a
drive. And as they're driving,

689
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:53.400
she's like, you know what,
you're going to prove it to me.

690
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:57.639
You're going to prove to me that
you are in this with me, that

691
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:02.639
we're in this together. So so
she eyes a jogger and says, I'm

692
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:07.559
gonna go get her and bring her
back to the car. When I get

693
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:12.360
here, you fucking shoot her in
the face and we drive off. So

694
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.880
she actually gets out of the car, runs after the jogger jagger starts heading

695
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:21.800
back to the car. Sean backs
out so he won't even roll down the

696
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:27.800
window. So the lady's like looking
at him, and you have Amanda who's

697
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.039
like probably glaring at him at this
point, and the lady just like okay

698
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:37.039
and walks away, kind of random
vis thank god, Sean, you backed

699
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:42.599
out. But that had to be
such an odd encounter. So now Amanda

700
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:46.760
is this. She drives a little
bit further and then pulls over. She

701
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:52.360
walks around the jeep, pulls Sean
out onto the ground and said, I

702
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:57.000
used you for your car and guns, and I hope you die, and

703
00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:01.000
then she shoots him twice. It's
in his jeep and fucking leaves him there.

704
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:05.679
She is now alone and on the
run, but while trying to get

705
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.000
back home, she realized that she's
lost. She has no clue where she's

706
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:15.000
going, so instead of asking a
stranger or going a store something they're gonna

707
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:22.800
love this, she calls the police, and she warns them that the answering

708
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.440
officer better not even think about coming
to look for her. You know,

709
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:30.800
don't you bear come looking for me? So the officer decides to talk to

710
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.679
her, is if he's actually concerned
for her. You know what, honey,

711
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.880
let me bring you back home.
Are you okay? What can I

712
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:43.440
do for you? And it works. She told him I'm lost and I

713
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:45.719
need your help getting back to Virginia, So he works he here to try

714
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:50.719
to figure out where she is and
then realizes she had made it all the

715
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:53.519
way to North Carolina. So he's
able to track down where she's at North

716
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:58.960
Carolina and he sends officers to her
location and they take her into custody.

717
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:05.039
They were able to retraced her steps
and then found Sean's body and he's actually

718
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:08.440
still alive. He was shot in
the jaw, which came out through the

719
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:15.280
neck and into his shoulder. Back
at the police station, after Amanda is

720
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:17.599
in the interrogation room, I don't
want to redo that. Back at the

721
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:22.039
police station, Amanda's in the interrogation
room and she makes a chilling statement.

722
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:27.199
She tells them that, yeah,
I killed him at three twenty seven on

723
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:30.679
purpose, since it was their birthday
and it was symbolic to her. She

724
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:36.119
said ever since she's been watching all
those horror films and looking at the pictures.

725
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.000
She said that you could tell the
people who took lives held power,

726
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:44.960
and she wanted to have that power
over Charlie's life. She recalled stabbing him

727
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.760
and told them that she thinks she
got him in the face and that Sean

728
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.400
is the one who had the crowbar. Sean went to the hospital, was

729
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.360
treated for his injuries, and then
of course, off to jail he went.

730
00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:01.800
He got forty one years and Amanda
received life without parole. Hi.

731
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:06.960
This is Kelly and this is Jenna, and you're listening to ODFM. This

732
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:13.559
episode is one disguise for murder.
So with ODFM, we are true crimeing

733
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:19.760
comedy podcast. If true crimeing comedy
had a baby that had a podcast,

734
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.920
a baby with a podcast a baby, you would get our podcast. So

735
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:29.320
and with every episode the d changes. So that is why this is one

736
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:34.079
disguise. Okay, are you ready? I think so? All right,

737
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.239
I am taking you to Sun Valley, California, which is just northwest of

738
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:44.280
North Hollywood. It's Halloween night,
nineteen fifty seven. Ooh, we're historical

739
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:49.159
nor historic baby all right. So
we're at the home of Peter and Betty

740
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:53.760
Fabiano. Ooh, and they live
with Betty's two teenage children from her previous

741
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:58.440
marriage. Okay, it's late,
it's after ten pm. The family has

742
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.360
gone to bed. Trick or treat
have stopped coming around, right, it's

743
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:06.880
after tricker treating hours. When there's
teenagers, there's always still going devil though

744
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.159
there's Jason comes around, never stops
from no, So the family is headed

745
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:15.159
to bed. The doorbell rings at
eleven PM and thirty five year old Peter

746
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.079
gets up out of bed and he's
like, well, it's a little late

747
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:21.320
for this, right. He grabs
the candy bowl and answers the door to

748
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.280
find a rather tall tricker treater,
you know, like like you said,

749
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:28.360
the teens are the ones that come
out later, right, Like, what's

750
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.599
the big deal. Yeah, it's
just eleven. So it's a taller tricker

751
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:35.840
treater with like it was described as
like a grotesque face like they did like

752
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:38.400
grotesque makeup, right, Yeah,
really good, and had what was called

753
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:40.639
a Domino mask, which I had
to look up because I didn't know.

754
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.920
That's just like the little half mask
that like Robin from like Batman and Robin

755
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:49.039
Wareness were like Zoro. I was
like the Domino as first I heard of

756
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:52.800
that one. I had to google
that. So Domino mask and wearing what

757
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:55.599
they referred to in that time as
men's clothing, blue jeans, a khaki

758
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:59.840
jacket, and red gloves. I
was like, sheans a tech okay,

759
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:04.159
have that on? No, No, maybe it was just zipped up.

760
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.039
I don't know. No, I
feel like it's coming into the seventies.

761
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.599
He's like, yes, chain holding, yeah, hanging down? Rip.

762
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:13.719
He answers the door, and he
kind of grumpily is like, it's a

763
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:19.119
little late for this, isn't this
And a deep voice replies now, and

764
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:22.639
then a loud bang, Oh god, damn it turns out the paper bag

765
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:28.239
that they were holding for collecting treats
was really concealing a gun. He wanted

766
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.280
all the treats, all the treats. Yeah, wow, right, that's

767
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:34.679
rude. So Betty runs to the
door to find Peter in a heap on

768
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:37.960
the floor, bleeding out from a
gunshot wound to his chest. Damn,

769
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.719
shooter has already fled. Betty's fifteen
year old daughter, Judy Solomon, calls

770
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.760
the police. Okay. Peter is
rushed to Sun Valley Hospital and is pronounced

771
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:50.039
dead. The press gets a hold
of the story and they dub it the

772
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.400
trick or Treat murder. Of course, look, yeah, it's very obvious,

773
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:58.760
right, this is nineteen fifty seven. So a local newspaper wrote this

774
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:04.559
dramatic caption, murder as fantastic as
the spirits of Halloween. That makes it

775
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:10.039
sound great, like, yeah,
that's awesome, but no, but uh

776
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:14.519
yeah, I just didn't want the
trees. He wanted something else. Yeah

777
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:19.360
right. There was one witness,
witness ish, a teenager, and all

778
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:22.639
they saw was a car speeding out
of the neighborhood. So it wasn't really

779
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:24.440
much to go on, Okay,
so at least we know that there was

780
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:29.760
no shellcasing. I wonder if it
fell in the bag. Oh right,

781
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:31.320
that would be smart, yea,
because it doesn't sound like there was enough

782
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:35.599
time to pick it up or finderry
right, and that would be a genius

783
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:37.480
way to do that. So that
it said nothing was taken from the house,

784
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:42.360
although they did not specify candy.
Oh the bowl could have still been

785
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:45.760
taking. Might have still taken the
bowl and right right, I mean I

786
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:47.000
get it. You know, this
is why you can't just pass out the

787
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:52.960
crappy candy or toothpaste. People true
people get a toothpaste. I've seen that

788
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:58.000
loss. That's so mean. I
thought pencils and pennies were mean, but

789
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:01.440
toothe yeah, toothpaste, right rude. Betty and her kids were left alone,

790
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:06.079
so nothing was taken, so police
were like, all right, this

791
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:09.840
looks more like a mob hit A
right thing. So Betty and Peter met

792
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:14.360
in the nineteen forties. Betty was
already divorced in a single mother at the

793
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.559
time. Peter was a successful hairstylist
because with the last name like Fabiano,

794
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:23.000
I mean, yes, you could
help someone hair product line. They got

795
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:28.280
married while living in New York and
for the first few years. That's where

796
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.320
they lived, and then they'd only
moved to California about a year before the

797
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:36.760
shooting happened. Right, Peter owned
and operated his own salon in Hollywood,

798
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:39.599
and he did very well. He
was very popular at all the stars.

799
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.920
Yeah, so, but there was
nothing to show that he had any gang

800
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:49.440
ties or mob ties. So it
was like, well, someone's hair up

801
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:53.760
really bad, really really bad,
right, someone who was conducted. Betty

802
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:59.159
was sedated for several days after the
murder, because that's how they handled hysterical

803
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:04.800
women. Well, she was upset
because her husband just got murdered, so

804
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:09.840
so we'll just kill honey, you
out exactly. So, when Betty was

805
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:15.639
finally conscious enough to be questioned,
she told police that she thought she heard

806
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:21.519
two voices that night, one that
was masculine and one that sounded like a

807
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:25.079
man impersonating a woman. Oh,
but nobody saw another person, right,

808
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:29.639
but nobody saw another person and she
wasn't at the door. So they asked

809
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:34.079
her if Peter had any enemies,
and she gave them the name Joan Rabble,

810
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:37.119
June Crawford, No, not Joe
Bowl, but yeah, mess up

811
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:42.679
her hair. No, one's getting
taken out right now, Joan Rabble,

812
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.440
who was born in Pennsylvania. She
was a writer and a photographer, and

813
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:50.360
she had been married, but after
she was divorced, she came into Peter

814
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:54.679
Fabiano's hair salon looking for work.
Betty and Joan became fast friends, and

815
01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:59.880
when Betty and Peter started having marital
problems, Betty moved out and stayed with

816
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.039
Don't okay, and they got closer, like like a lot closer. Oh

817
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:12.679
oh. The two women had what
was described in those days as an abnormal

818
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:16.159
relationship. But you wouldn't think in
Hollywood in those days that'd be that abnormal.

819
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:19.159
I guess it was still underground,
basically it was. Yeah, it

820
01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:25.960
still wasn't spoken of, right,
Okay, But ultimately Betty decided she wanted

821
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:29.480
to save her marriage. Right,
so the couple reconciled, but not before

822
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:33.400
Betty admitted to Peter that she and
Joan had been more than friends. Okay,

823
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:38.480
and he's not excited by this.
He was less than thrilled. Oh

824
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.360
but he was like, okay,
cool, but promise never to see her

825
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.800
again. Betty's got it, okay, Okay, So, but now Joan

826
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.840
has lost both Betty who she was
in love with, and she also just

827
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:54.119
lost her job. Oh good points, so right, So she's heartbroken and

828
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:58.960
pissed off. Right, So police
pick up Joan, but there's no evidence

829
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.400
tying her to the murder. But
she's the only one in this triangle,

830
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:06.079
she's the only one who's got a
grudge, right, Okay, But so

831
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:10.400
they have to let her go.
Two weeks later, an anonymous tip comes

832
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:14.360
in and police recover the murder weapon, a thirty eight Smith and Wesson,

833
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:18.639
from the locker of a department store
that was registered to a forty three year

834
01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:24.920
old woman who was a medical secretary
named Golden Pfizer. So on November twelfth,

835
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:29.519
police arrest Goldine at her home in
Hollywood, which was just a mile

836
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:34.239
away from jones home. Oh interesting, and she was happy to spill everything

837
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:39.239
she knew and had actually said it
was a relief to get it off my

838
01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:42.199
mind. Well at least she had
a guilty conscious about it. Yes,

839
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:46.079
So Joan and Goldeye had met several
months before, and they bonded over coffee

840
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:50.519
and how they were both now divorced, having both had married men in a

841
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:55.719
way to disguise the fact that they
were lesbians, right, and that was

842
01:05:55.760 --> 01:06:01.519
common Yeah, and shockingly that didn't
pan out. Yeah, like you can't.

843
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:09.400
Right. So, while Goldine was
falling for Joan, Joan talked incessantly

844
01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:13.679
about her friend Betty, who was
married to this man who was pure evil.

845
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:18.400
Quote from Goldine was She told me
that mister Fabiano was a vile,

846
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:23.800
evil man, a man who destroyed
everything around him. She told me that

847
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:29.920
he mistreated his wife and that he
was dealing narcotics. Wow, no,

848
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:31.119
not at all. There was no
proof of any of that, by the

849
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:35.920
way, right. Joan also said
that Peter hated her and so her own

850
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:41.360
life was in danger. Yeah,
this is a dangerous man. Garrett was

851
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:45.519
a little manipulative. So the only
solution, naturally, is that Peter's got

852
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.239
to be taken out of the picture. I mean, there's what we can

853
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:51.480
move across the country. No,
yeah, no, that's got to kill

854
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:56.960
the person. That's the only option. So Joan gave Goldne the money to

855
01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:00.920
purchase a gun. She did.
Joan borrowed a car from a friend,

856
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:05.719
and on Halloween night, she was
the one who gave Goldine this quote unquote

857
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:13.199
men's clothing. She basically wasn't wearing
a dress and with the robin mask,

858
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:16.079
gave her the Robin mask gave her
some creepy makeup, and then drove her

859
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:19.840
to the Fabiano home. According to
Goldine, after going to the door and

860
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:25.519
shooting Peter, she runs back to
the car. Joan thanked her, oh,

861
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:28.000
and then they sped off in the
car. She also said that they

862
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:32.199
both burned their clothing and returned the
car to the friend. Then Joan told

863
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:35.719
goldne forget you ever knew me?
Oh? Oh, well, wait,

864
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:39.800
I didn't know I was going to
be thrown out of this relationship. I

865
01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:42.000
know. She was like, wait, I call it. We had a

866
01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:45.400
thing. She just killed someone for
you? Vid A was did I not

867
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:50.039
prove my love? Lush? I
just saved you right wow. The next

868
01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:54.679
day, poor Goldine realizes, wait, I still have the gun, so,

869
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.320
not knowing what to do with it, she rented the storage locker at

870
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:01.119
the department store and left the gun. And she is obviously not the criminal

871
01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:09.039
mastermind. No, it's like run
run to Mexico. Joan Rabble was arrested.

872
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:14.000
Both women were charged with first degree
murder and pled not guilty. Their

873
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:17.479
trial was set for late December,
and a judge ordered them to be evaluated

874
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:25.640
by three psychiatrists. Oh geez,
right, Okay, it was determined that

875
01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:30.479
because of their homosexuality, they were
unfit to stand trial. He well,

876
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:36.680
okay, that's ridiculous. Absolutely,
it was not that long ago. It's

877
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:43.439
really so. During her one of
her evaluations, Goldyne said, I had

878
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.840
no motive personally. Whatever motive I
had was to please Joan. I was

879
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:53.079
always easily influenced, and I've always
been impressionable and always trusting. Though that's

880
01:08:53.119 --> 01:09:00.880
pretty self aware for someone. Yeah, I'm well, but I can't get

881
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:05.680
over the gullibility like it just I
don't know. One psychiatrist wrote in his

882
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:11.159
report on Goldine, the only thought
she had was to save her friend Joan

883
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:15.479
Rabble from an evil person. She
was saving him, she was doing something

884
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:18.479
for her love. Yes, you
know, yeah whatever. So at their

885
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:23.840
hearing, Goldeyn pled insanity. She
was very remorseful. At the hearing,

886
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:28.039
she cried, and she recounted the
events of the night of the murder.

887
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:32.119
Joan, on the other hand,
sat there either stone faced or with a

888
01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:38.199
smurf. Oh oh yeah, not
doing herself any favors. Right. She

889
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:41.840
even smiled as she was being let
in the courtroom. Wow, okay,

890
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:46.479
well that plays into the insanity,
right, exactly, or I know,

891
01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:50.920
I got I can get out of
this. Yeah whatever. Both women ended

892
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:56.119
up taking a plea deal for a
reduced charge of second degree murder, and

893
01:09:56.159 --> 01:10:01.960
they were sentenced to five years to
life in prison. Pie five line to

894
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:06.560
life. That's a big discrepancy,
there's a big right. Are they not

895
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:11.600
expected to live very long? This
isn't like the eighteen hundreds. I don't

896
01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:15.760
die at forty. It's actually unclear
how much time they served, but both

897
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:17.600
were released on parole. They just
don't know. They're like, I think

898
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:21.159
they got out, but I'm not
even her three summer articles and they know

899
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:25.479
they got out, but no one
could say definitively how long they were in

900
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:28.600
prison. Bill, did you open
the prison door again? Yeah? Man

901
01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:32.800
right. Goldin Pizer stayed in the
Los Angeles area. In nineteen seventy one,

902
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:38.479
she became an officer of the Miracle
Mile chapter of the Professional Women's Club.

903
01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:42.399
Hey she turned things around. Yeah. She died in nineteen ninety eight

904
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:45.960
at the age of eighty three.
Joan Rabble essentially disappeared after being released.

905
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:51.520
There is zero information on this way. Once she was put in prison and

906
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:55.439
then at some point got out,
and then that's it. She just she

907
01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:59.439
went and joined the mob. She's
lived in Jersey somewhere, right, She's

908
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:04.960
well her manipulation skills. Betty Fabiano
sold the salon and remarried in nineteen sixty

909
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:10.399
six. She passed away in nineteen
ninety nine in Palm Desert, California,

910
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:14.920
at the age of eighty one.
There has been speculation that she was in

911
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.199
on the plot to murder Peter,
but there's no evidence. But it's interesting

912
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:21.319
that she didn't go to the door, but she thought she knew how many

913
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:27.560
people were there. True, you
know, it's a little fuzzy, hmm.

914
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:31.640
Interesting, Yeah, But then she
never got back with no. She

915
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:36.279
never Joan went undercover. I don't
know if Joan disappeared into the Joe disappeared.

916
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:40.760
We don't know what happened. So
anyways, that is the story of

917
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:47.439
the scandalous lesbian love triangle turned Halloween
murder of nineteen fifty seven. All that

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01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:51.319
was good? Would I hear my
sources? Okay, to hear your The

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