Chapter 66: The Risks of Wearing the Badge w/ Glynn Martin

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Hi guys. I'm Courtney and I'm
Lisa, and welcome to the next chapter

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in the Book of the Dead,
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Podcasts with a Twist. Hi,
guys, welcome to another episode of the

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Book of the Dead with Me Today, I have a very special guest.

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Lisa is not with me, you
know, she's usually not when I do

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these interviews, but I have someone
just as good here in her place.

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So today with me, I have
Glenn Martin, a retired officer. He

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is also the executive director of the
Los Angeles Police Memorial Foundation. He is

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a published true crime author and a
frequent guest on true crime documentary and docuseries

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as an expert. So, Glenn, thank you so much for joining me

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today. It's a pleasure to have
you. Well, thank you a pleasure

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to be here as well. So
there's a few things that I want to

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talk to you about, some things
that we went over in our initial call.

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But before we get into that,
tell me about yourself and your career

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as an officer. You know,
why did you decide to go into law

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enforcement, How did your career kind
of go over the years, you know,

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what did you work in specifically that
kind of thing. Well, it's

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a it's a great place to start. I am, in fact, retired

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Los Angeles Police officer, and I
remain here working for the nonprofit that is

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the Los Angeles Police Memorial Foundation.
It's a great honor to have served the

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department, and I'm equally honored to
be taking care of the Foundation, which

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is a nonprofit organization that supports the
families of Los Angeles Police Department that are

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enduring catastrophic circumstances such as you know, term things like cancer and off duty

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car crashes, and unfortunately, our
main function is to take care of the

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families of officers killed the line of
duty. It's a subject that's close to

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me personally and professionally. One of
my police academy classmates, who was also

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my roommate, was an officer that
was shot and killed in nineteen eighty seven.

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In fact, it was just about
ten days ago that I attended the

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parole hearing for his killer, and
we've successfully denied parole for him for the

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fifth time here, So that kind
of ties together my work with the police

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Department and my work with the Foundation. During my career, I had the

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privilege to work all quarters of the
city. The police department is essentially divided

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up into four different regions. We
call them operations bureaus, and I worked

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in each of those four regions in
uniform patrol. I also spent about half

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my career working undercover, playing closed
assignments in Hollywood and North Hollywood. I

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was a major narcotics there for about
three years. I got to do some

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fascinating, fascinating work during my career
with the Los Angeles Police Department, and

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continue to do the fascinating work with
a level of ongoing care for the LAPD

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families here in my retirement. So
very fortunate to've had this lengthy association with

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the LAPD and very pleased to be
here to talk about today. That's amazing.

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It sounds like you've had a very
distinguished career. Yeap, Very,

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I'm very fortunate to have done that
kind of work that we did in the

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time that I did it. And
you know, I came straight from college

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onto the police department here. I
was really I'd been accepted to law school,

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I was headed in that direction,
and then just I was pretty tired

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of the academic stuff. So my
father was an active service to the Glendale

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Police Department, a sizeable suburb of
Los Angeles here, and he provided for

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us, provided for us during his
career, and I started looking around and

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one of my friends contacted me and
said, hey, I'm going to apply

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for the LAPD. Well, he
wound up doing a career with the Fire

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department and I wound up doing my
career with the LAPD. So we're both

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very, very happy with the career
paths that we chose. So that was

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kind of my pathway from came on
the department directly from USC, and yeah,

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that's been my USC, and then
all these years around in and around

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the Los Angeles Police Department. So
it's been a great journey that sounds amazing,

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and I just have to say,
you know it, thank you for

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the service that you've provided for your
community members in LA and the like,

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and your fellow officers and the work
you do now. It is wonderful to

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see someone so dedicated to protecting and
serving even after retirement. Well, thank

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you. It's been quite a journey
and I look forward to look forward to

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continue it for another few years here, I bet. So tell me about

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some of the cases you worked.
Are there any that have stuck with you

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through your career, any that have
really kind of taught you something as you've

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gone on this journey. You know, another wonderful question. And this is

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one of those jobs where literally no
two days are the same, and that

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being the case, there seems to
be a takeaway from pretty much every day

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that you work a little bit different. Certainly there's some commonality in terms of

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the cases, the cases that I
was personally involved with that are of enduring

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interest. In nineteen ninety one,
as a major narcotics detective, we made

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two major cocaine seizures and those continue
to be the largest seizures in the history

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of the Los Angeles Police Department.
In May of ninety one, we seized

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forty six hundred pounds of cocaine from
an unincorporated part of Los Angeles County.

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It was a case that was spun
off from like the Undercut investigation, and

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the case was developed by one of
our undercover officers, for which the rest

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of the squad did support activities like
surveillance and search warrants and all kinds of

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information gathering and identifying organization members and
whatnot. Again, that was May of

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ninety one, which was an interesting
time in the Los Angeles Police Department.

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This occurred about two months. The
seizure was about two months following the release

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of the videotaped beating of Rodney King. So it was a trending downward time

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for the Los Angeles Police Department.
It was difficult for the department. I

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think this was the first positive press
that we had in the post Rodney King

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video time, you know. That
being said, the important part was we

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arrested a bunch of folks. We
took forty six hundred pounds of cocaine off

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the street, and we continued to
work that case and in in October of

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ninety one, we seis an additional
it was more than five thousand pounds a

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little farther out of town in Fontana, California. So ultimately we seized about

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ten thousand pounds of cocaine, if
I remember correctly. We had thirteen successful

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federal prosecutions, and when you make
cases like that, it takes some time

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for them to resolve. I think
we finally finished up court in nineteen ninety

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four, if I remember correctly.
So that's the one and then there's you

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know, the appeals that come up
and all of them were denied, and

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because it was a federal case,
the kingpin in the May ninety one case,

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he was sentenced to twenty five years
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you wound up doing about twenty two
and a half years in federal prism.

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He was a Bolivian national, so
a lot of work, absolutely fascinating to

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try and identify all the people that
were involved in it. Many, many

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forms of investigation were used. All
the kilogram packages from the second seizure,

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or twenty two hundred and ninety eight
kilogram packages. In our scientific investigation,

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folks fingerprinted all six sides of each
one of those twenty two hundred and ninety

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eight packages and successfully tied some folks
to handling those particular kilogram packages. So

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you know, we kind of rolled
out everything, rolled out everything on these

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seizures. The undercover officer spent decades
undercover as a major narcotics detective. His

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accomplishments are truly remarkable and certainly highlighted
by this ten thousand pounds seizure of cocaine.

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And as I mentioned that that record
within the LAPD still stands to this

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day. That's amazing, that is
it's it's almost mind boggling to think of

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just the share amount of like you
you, it's like the share amount of

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cocaine. Like it's almost mind boggling. You don't the average person like myself

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doesn't realize the ins and outs of
an investigation like that, or you know,

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the share level of Condra band you
can seize. It's you know,

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you here, like the daily you
know, oh, someone got nailed for

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you know, a couple of ounces
or something like that. So to hear

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that number is mind boggling for for
someone like myself or anyone listening out there,

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it's like you can't even imagine it, Like I can't even picture what

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that look like, looks like.
Yeah, And I think to a degree

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it very illustrative of my point about
no two days being the same. So

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my partner and I were the first
ones through the door on both of those

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Both of those cases, the first
one, the May nineteen ninety one,

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was in a was in a residential
neighborhood. They referred to them as ranchets,

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as much as you can refer to
anything in Los Angeles as a ranch.

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It was a little bit of property
behind a house. We went through

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the door. The cocaine was stored, it was broken up in several different

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rooms, and there were some outside
the bed of a pickup truck that was

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garaged. So when you know,
you start totaling, you start totaling this

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stuff up in your head and you're
think, well, wow, this is

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a this is quite something. And
then we moved forward to October of ninety

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one and my partner and I went
through the went through the door that was

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gonna used car lot went through the
door at the wee hours of the morning,

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four or five in the morning.
And again, you know, we

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thought we'd seen everything with the May
seizure, and we're looking around and there's

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even more cocaine at this at this
place than the other one. So every

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time you think you've seen it all
in this job, you wind up seeing

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something else. And it's equally fascinating
to me for the same reasons that you

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stated, you know, and the
fact that we you know, you spent

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you invest months, if not years
in these cases, and you avoid detection

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by the bad guys, and you
wind up taking a bunch of people into

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custody, literally taking tons of cocaine
off the street. There's a there's still

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a level of of wonder that exists
with you know, yourself as a police

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officer or an investigator, even as
a major narcotics detective. It was so

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that one. That one's the that's
the big one that's enduring to me.

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Certainly, there's a lot of other
stuff that happened, you know, in

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a lot of murder scenes over the
years, and it's a fascinating business when

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you take a moment to reflect on
it. Absolutely, I'm sure, and

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I'm sure that was so rewarding to
know that you took part in really saving

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lives. You know, you don't
know how many countless lives could have been

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lost from overdosing or just being involved
with these people that were dangerous and transporting

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and distributing these the cocaine. So
I can't even imagine how rewarding that would

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be, just to know that you
truly saved so many lives in that moment.

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Yeah, it's, like I said, very very fortunate to have done

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what we did when we did it. A lot of resources have been redeployed

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within law enforcement. I don't think
there's as many personnel resources assigned to major

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narcotics investigations is a word. At
that period of time, part of it

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has to do with at least the
seeming reduction in the flow of cocaine into

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the United States. But it was
a great time to be a major narcotics

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detective. I bet I bet so. I guess kind of along those same

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lines. You know, doing something
like that is obviously a risk to your

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own safety. But tell me about
some of the risks involved with being a

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law enforcement officer that some people may
not realize. You know, I think

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one of the things to do up
front is to recognize a term that is

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bandied about, particularly when it pertains
to officers killed in a line of duty.

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You know, I've heard it so
many times and it's just so untrue.

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Well, you know, the officer
was on a routine traffic stop,

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or the officer was performing a routine
domestic violence investigation, or the officer was

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on routine patrol. There is nothing
routine about anything that we do, particularly

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on duty. It's a it's a
high risk job. Uniformed officers are the

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most conspicuous symbol of government, be
them, you know, municipal, city

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police officers, county sheriffs. Anybody
that wears a uniform, a badge,

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carries a gun is a potential target. It's been that way for a lot

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of years. During the Vietnam era, there was considerable problem with sniping and

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sniping incidents. You know, bad
guys sniping it at uniformed officers. It's

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a fascinating job. There's an aspect
of danger to it that is sometimes under

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reported, sometimes under sold, definitely
undertold. And it's a unique undertaking for

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those that choose to do this work, for those that dedicate their career to

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being in uniform specifically, But the
threat to the officer doesn't end there.

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We've had we've had a series of
officers that were engaged in police action off

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duty, some compelled to do it, some initiating the police action on their

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own. But think while the hazard
may be a little reduced, it's still

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present for even off duty officers.
And really kind of the theme of all

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this is you're never really off duty. Particularly if somebody knows you're a police

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officer or suspects you're a police officer, that threat will remain absolutely And I

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think that's something that a lot of
people don't think about, that this isn't

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a regular nine to five that you
may be out of the precinct. You

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may be home, you know,
having dinner, but you could get a

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call at any moment where you are
back on duty. It's not something that

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ever really stops. And I think
that is a common misconception that people have

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that oh, you know, once
you clock out for the day, that's

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it, you're done, but you're
never really done, completely true, And

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it's not much in getting a call
to it. It's that there's a compelling

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reason generally in the in the hearts
and minds of officers that if they see

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something criminal going on, particularly something
that is going to put a member of

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the public in immediate risk. So
many of our folks have been lost because

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they intervened in some kind of criminal
act that they were witnessing. At least

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one of our officers was just turned
out to be he was a targeted victim

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of crime and wound up losing his
life trying to protect himself, defend himself

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and his girlfriend. Generally, it's
an unknown to the officer in a case

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like that, and the other cases
where the officers actively witnessed a criminal act

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and then intervened or involved themselves in
this and then wound up given given their

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lives and all of it was done
to protect somebody, whether it was somebody

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known to them or persons unknown.
And they're terrible cases. In my belief,

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they hadn't, particularly in our department. They've happened way too way too

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free. It is a truly terrible
thing to to just think about the men

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and women all over the country that
have lost their lives trying to do their

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job protecting someone else or trying to
intervene in some sort of criminal activity.

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It's it's really terrible. It's it's
devastating and devastating, not only for their

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family, but you know, their
brothers and sisters in the department that lost

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someone close to them. Yes,
and the impact you know, the old

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the old adage, time heals heals
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there is to that, there's still
plenty of it, particularly in cases where

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we lose an officer, and the
impact on the family, there's the immediate

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there's the immediate impact of the family, and then for those who you know

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who have lost a loved one and
the suspect has been captured, there's the

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whole process of going through the judicial
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that's just a damn near a lifelong
commitment. And I'll cite an example here

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in Los Angeles, they're just wrapped
up a trial of a retrial of an

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officer that was killed forty years ago. Three month trial. Family was present

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for every every moment of it.
It's forty years later, and you think

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justice has been served, particularly for
somebody that was sentenced to death. And

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you know, here we are forty
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been thirty six years since my roommate
was murdered. The family's still dealing with

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the fact that, you know,
the parole hearings come up from time to

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time, and they've got to be
bothered to provide the authorization for me to

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appear on their behalf. And there's
a depending on the nature of the of

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the case, particularly somebody that's sentenced
to life or sentence to receives a sentence

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a death sentence. There's all kinds
of appellate processes. There's an original judicial

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process that takes years to wind its
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like there's a fairly fairly continuous picking
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these horrific incidences. So that that's
another one of those things that just doesn't

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get the doesn't get the attention that
it probably should, you know, the

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idea, oh well, you know, this officer was lost so many years

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ago. No, it's in this
is a case where we're always going to

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remember. While the pain may subside, it never completely goes away. Absolutely,

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and that I agree that that's not
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They look at a case that happened
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you know, well, that's it, it's done, the person is sentenced,

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you know, the family got justice. But when they have to essentially

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be re traumatized every few years,
You're right, it never really goes away

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because every few years they have to
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their loved one again. And there's
always the possibility that one day the appeal

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won't be denied or they'll be let
out, and then they have to deal

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with that trauma. Yeah, and
that's a that's a pretty significant concern,

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and it's in accompanying that trauma is
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Hey, you know, we've kept
this guy locked up for forty or forty

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plus years. Now he's out.
You know, I can tell you from

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very upclose personal experience that the concern
is, you know, should somebody get

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released, are the survivors at risk? Is there going to be some form

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of attempted vindication for this person being
in prison for whatever the number is,

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thirty, forty to fifty years.
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There's another another form of worry that
emerges, another form of concern that the

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surviving members of that family or the
surviving members of the officer killed the line

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of duty. That concern surfaces for
them, you know, And it's it's

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as real as as the day of
the loss. Absolutely, And I feel

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like I keep reiterating it, but
it's it is. It's something that people

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don't think about because they don't if
you know, if they've never if they've

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had the good fortune of not having
to deal with it, you know,

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they don't have to think about that. But someone like yourself that lives through

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things like that every day, you
you understand the long term repercussions. That's

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correct, and you know, good
for you for identifying it's not something that's

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thought about, because in my experience
it hasn't been. And I am equally

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as pleased that folks don't have to
deal with this. They don't have to

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think about it. You know,
that's the good news is about the place

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in which we all live, is
so many people don't get exposed to having

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a friend or family member murdered and
everything that goes along with that. We

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are we are so fortunate for that. So, you know, I understand

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why not everybody understands, because you
know, you understand what you experience,

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or you try to understand what you
experience and experience is there is the great

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informer here in our in our lives. And I'm just I'm just very glad

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that so many folks don't I don't
have to worry about those kinds of things.

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Yeah, absolutely, it is.
It's the silver lining in that that

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they don't have to worry. Absolutely. So in our initial conversation, we

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spoke of off to the officers and
you that were killed, and you touch

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on it briefly specifically Wan Diaz,
Russell Couster, Fernando Arroyo's, Fred Early

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and Tom Williams. Would you mind
go over some of what happened with those

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particular officers and the impact that that's
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Yeah, certainly. And this goes
directly to the point that we talked

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about a few minutes ago about you
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you're in the law enforcement profession.
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about it, it was it came
to mind because you know, two of

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our most recent officers that suffered traumatic
law enforcement deaths they were off duty.

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That was one Diaz back in July
of twenty nineteen and Fernando Arroyos in I

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believe January of twenty twenty two.
So two very recent events, you know,

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and it's the summation summation of it
is both of them were both of

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them were very unsuspecting. In the
case of Officer Dias, he had intervened

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with some graffiti vandals. He was
out to visit a food truck, getting

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a late night snack or a late
night dinner. Came across some folks painting

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up the walls and I believe they
were painting with some uh, some gang

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insignias. In his own neighborhood,
a place where he was born and raised,

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uh spent his entire life, joined
the department to serve his neighborhood in

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the in the neighborhoods that I joined
where it was that he grew up and

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spent his whole life. And when
he he intervened, unfortunately he was he

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was shot and killed. You know
when you when you leave the house,

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you go to look for something to
eat late at night. I don't care

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who you are, you don't you
don't go out that door, you don't

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get in your car, you don't
walk up to the food truck thinking that

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this is the last thing you're ever
going to do in life. And sadly

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that's a that was the case with
with Officer Diaz, and not entirely dissimilar

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was the case with with Fernando Arroyos. He was out with a out with

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a girlfriend looking for a home to
purchase, and if I remember right,

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they parked across the street from the
location where the home was for sale,

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and just in a few feet they
got away from their car, they were

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accosted. I believe it was if
the reports are correct, there was a

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robbery attempt. Somebody was trying to
steal the gold necklace that at an officer

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or royals was was wearing. He
sent his girlfriend off to safety and then

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the officer and engaged with the suspects, and in the exchange of gunfire,

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officer or royals was lost. So
again, something is something as simple as

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you know, hey, let's go
take a look at this house. You

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know, you get in the car
and certainly I remember buying my first house.

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I'm sure he was. He was
absolutely positively thrilled. And then that

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goes not only bad, it turns
deadly. Both horrible stories and again,

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you know, to two young officers, you know, engaged in something that

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each and every one of us does
on very frequent occasions, whether it's going

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to look for food, you know, shopping for a house, checking out

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a neighborhood, whatever the case may
be. These were two very very well

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intentioned, undeserving and dedicated folks that
we that we lost for no good reason.

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That's horrific and just senseless. That
the way, the manner of which

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they were killed. For them to
just be going about their days doing just

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the average thing, looking at a
house, you know, buying some food.

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For them to have lost their lives
is heartbreaking, and you really do

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feel for their loved ones, and
you wonder why, like why something so

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senseless could have happened, especially in
you know, in the case of Wandia's,

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you know it was over graffiti.
I understand it was gang related,

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but at the end of the day, is you were painting a wall,

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like why did it have to escalate
to something like that? You know,

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in the sense of the robbery with
Fernando Arroyos, you know, it's over

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a necklace, Like you killed someone
over a necklace at the end of the

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day. And it's horrible that they
lost their lives, especially when they were

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trying to do good for their communities
and good for the people that live in

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those communities. And it really is
just it's terrible the risk that law enforcement

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takes twenty four hours a day,
whether they are in uniform or not in

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uniform. Yeah, absolutely, And
you know, sadly, both of them

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were accompanied by both of them were
accompanied by their friends, which means they

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both witnessed the officers getting shot and
killed. Absolutely positively horrific for you know,

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the folks that were subjected to this. The in the in the case

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of officer of Royals, it's probably
worth it's probably worth making a mention the

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location he was looking at, to
look at the home that they were they

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were looking at. I don't have
no idea if they intended to buy it

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or not. I think they were
just in the exploratory phase, if I

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if what's been reported to me is
correct, they were just outside the city

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of Los Angeles, just into the
into the county of La so that the

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first responders were members of the Sheriff's
department who who responded very appropriately. They

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they gathered up the officer and rendered
aid to him while trying to get him

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to the hospital in time to in
time for the medical personnel at the hospital

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to perform life saving activities. So
it was I think it was an It

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was an extremely smart and extremely risky
and extremely daring undertaking by the Sheriff's deputy

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that responded to that. They realized
that the delay in trying to get to

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fire department personnel there could be fatal, and they took matters into their own

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hands, and you did it all
with the best of intentions. And you

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know, for all they knew that
the shooters could have followed him to the

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hospital, they took some risks themselves
to try and save Officer Arroyos. So

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it's, you know, on the
one hand, it shows just how deadly

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this business is. On the other
hand. It shows just how much good

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can be done by folks wearing a
badge, absolutely and it's commendable that they

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really it's like they didn't really think
about the potential consequences. They just acted

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in effort to save his life.
And it really shows that there are truly

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some wonderful, wonderful officers out there
that would truly go above and beyond no

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matter the risk for anybody, regardless
of whether it's a fellow officer or a

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civilian. And it's a very heartwork
warming to hear. Yeah, yeah,

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it's yeah, it's great to know
we we we trained to that kind of

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stuff and in ninety nine point nine
percent of the department will never have to

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use it, but those folks recognize
the importance of it. They followed their

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training, they did the best that
they absolutely could for Officer of Royals here,

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and it's just it's refreshing from a
professional standpoint as well as from a

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humane standpoint that there's folks out there
that are that are that are willing to

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do this regardless of the of the
situation. There's nothing that can be said

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for the for the risk that they
took, for all they knew they were

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gonna. You know, the bad
guys could have rolled up on them at

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the next stop light and open fire
on those guys as well. So appreciate

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the recognize and appreciate the risk they
took in order to try and save one

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of our officers. And in regards
to both of those murders, I believe

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there was arrest made in Fernando Arroyos's
death. But were there any arrest made

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in Wanzez's? Were there were?
There were? I believe there were four.

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They were made some time after,
some time after the incident. They

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were It's not like they took somebody
into custody that night, if I remember,

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it was several weeks. So it
was a significant investigative effort to identify

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those who were involved in to arrest
them. And I believe, I believe

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the disposition of justice on that is
still pending. And I believe on Arroyos,

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I think three have entered polease and
there's a I think there's a fourth

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one still pending adjudication here. But
yeah, they were arrest made, and

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fortunately there were arrest made in both
of those cases, which is unlike another

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one that you asked me about that
I'd like to take a moment and talk

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about, and that's Detective Russ Custer. I worked in Hollywood in nineteen eighty

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three through nineteen eighty eight, and
I'm pretty sure he was in charge of

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all the homicide investigations during my time
there. And that's typically, unfortunately,

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where i'd run across a Detective Custer
is you know, he'd be in charge

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of a homicide investigation, it a
scene somewhere in Hollywood. But he was

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a highly respected homicide investigators. That's
a subspecialty within law enforcement that's done by

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actually very few people, even in
the LAPD. And he was absolutely revered

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homicide detective and homicide supervisor. And
another guy that you know certainly didn't suspect

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that his trip to to a restaurant
up towards the north end of Hollywood was

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going to be his last trip.
That is in fact what happened when his

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evening was interrupted by a restaurant patron
that was upset with the manager and left

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to come back waving a gun.
You know, the fellow folks in the

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restaurant there, and again Officer Custer
in you know, off duty and playing

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clothes, and for us, it
was true to form. He was in

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a he was in a coat and
tie, got involved in trying to de

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escalate the situation by trying to talk
the calm the guy down and talk him

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out of his out of his handgun, and instead, again there was an

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exchange of gunfire, and in this
case, both both Detective Custer and his

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assailant wound up dead. So again, just one more instance. You know,

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if you eat up one or two
times a week, you're particularly when

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this case happens. It's one of
those one of those things that that impacts

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you know, all of us that
knew about it was you know, gosh,

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I can't even go to my nearby
restaurant without some kind of risk being

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posed. And you know, I
think we've all probably been in many of

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us have been in restaurants where there's
an unhappy patron for one reason or another.

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And you know, now you're now
you're thinking about, hey, is

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this going to go as bad as
things went in the rest Custo case or

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not. His action he shielded everybody
else from injury, and nobody else got

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injured, nobody else got shot.
A homicide homicide supervisor trying to enjoy some

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time away from the station that winds
up shielding a whole restaurant full of folks

409
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:17.759
from harm. Very unique part about
this is that the homicide detectives that Russ

410
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.799
was in charge of had to respond
to the scene to handle the murder of

411
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their boss. That's terrible. I
can't even imagine being the officer that arrives

412
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.799
on the scene to investigate. All
needs to realize that they not only know

413
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.240
the victim, but I've worked with
the victim and saw him everyday kind of

414
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:42.839
thing. That must have been so
hard for them to be a case to

415
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:49.920
work and I can only imagine how
difficult it was trying to separate your emotions

416
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:54.440
from the work that you needed to
do. Yeah, no doubt. But

417
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.880
everybody that worked in Hollywood, anybody
that worked in Hollywood and went to a

418
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.400
crimes went to murder scene, they
were going to encounter a Russ Custer.

419
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:06.960
If you happen to work in the
daytime, you know, he was sitting

420
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.320
with his his homicide team back in
the detective portion of the station, So

421
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.199
he was he was well known.
Anybody that worked in Hollywood in that era

422
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:20.360
and the Rust Custer era and knew
who Russ was. He was a supervisor

423
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:24.079
of many high profile murders. You
can imagine, you know, particularly with

424
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:28.719
the passage of time since he was
lost in nineteen ninety, all the high

425
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:34.199
profile murders that have happened in Hollywood. He's the guy that was in charge

426
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:38.360
of all those of all the investigations
prior to his death, so very very

427
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:44.760
well known in not just the Hollywood
ranks, but the LAPD ranks and then

428
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:49.599
the detectives that reported directly to him. It was a life changing event.

429
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.480
Yeah, it's difficult to describe what
that would be like. You know,

430
00:34:54.519 --> 00:35:00.840
again, this was another another nighttime
hours case. What it was like for

431
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.400
those guys to answer their phones at
home and find out that they were they

432
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.039
were responding to uh, to a
restaurant where their boss had just been shot

433
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:13.400
and killed. Hard to fathom what
that would do, what that experience was

434
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:22.320
like. It truly truly is have
there been any leads on his case?

435
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:28.079
Actually, in the exchange of gunfire, Russ and his assailant both died,

436
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.800
So you know, oh, oh, if there is a silver lining to

437
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:36.400
this one, it's it's the fact
that there is no There were no judicial

438
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:40.519
proceedings and no appeals and no parole
hearings, and but yeah, my mistake,

439
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.519
my mistake, I think I was
thinking of the was it the fred

440
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:50.239
Early cases unsolved? Yes, yeah, and that's a you know that that's

441
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.199
kind of a good lead, and
not all of them have the immediate dispositions

442
00:35:53.840 --> 00:36:00.960
as did the case with with Detective
Custer fred Early to this day. Again,

443
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:05.679
he was an off duty officer out
on the West side of Los Angeles

444
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:10.199
and in the early morning hours in
nineteen I believe in September of nineteen seventy

445
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:15.199
two, he came across what he
believed was a burglary in progress, you

446
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:21.119
know, and it being nineteen seventy
two and him doing the thing that you've

447
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:23.440
got a way as an off duty
officer, you know, is it better

448
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:28.280
for me to intervene or is it
better for me just to be the best

449
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:35.039
witness that I can. So with
this commercial burglary essentially in progress, an

450
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:38.960
officer Early went to a paid telephone
to call the police department and get some

451
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:45.159
resources out there, have some officers
respond, maybe get a helicopter overhead.

452
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:47.760
You know, all the kinds of
things that run through your head, you

453
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:51.320
know. Essentially, he was trying
to be that good witness you know,

454
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.519
hey, I need to get that
help out there. And while he was

455
00:36:54.599 --> 00:37:00.280
on the payphone calling us into the
department, he was a it was confronted

456
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:07.039
by the burglary suspects here. You
know, it was a unfortunately, it

457
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.599
was a deadly it was a deadly
outcome. You know. He wound up

458
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:15.719
wound up being confronted by the suspects
and foot pursuit ensued wherein Officer Early was

459
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:21.119
shot by one of the suspects.
Aid was rendered to Officer Early taken to

460
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.480
the hospital, spent a considerable period
of the time in the hospital. Ultimately

461
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:30.679
was released, but perish from his
wounds about six months after the incident.

462
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:35.880
Again, this is the case of
trying to do something right. You know.

463
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.239
It was four or four point thirty
in the morning when he realized that

464
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.760
there was a drug store that was
being burgerized and he wanted to take some

465
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:47.480
action on it. There is no
legal reason, there is no binding reason

466
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:51.119
for him to be involved. He
could have just kept on his way.

467
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:52.679
He could have driven to the station
and said, hey, you might want

468
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.239
to get somebody over the drug store
because I think it's been broken into.

469
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.039
He had a number of options,
and he chose the option of doing the

470
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.280
right thing. You know, he
went to a payphone, he tried to

471
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.840
get he tried to get police out
there to arrest those involved in the burglary,

472
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:13.119
and things just didn't work out.
You know, he made a he

473
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.039
made a conscious decision to go in
foot pursuit. And you know, our

474
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:24.119
department and uniform patrol generally works two
officers to a car in one of the

475
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:30.079
cardinal rules of our of our two
officer operation is you never separate from your

476
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.239
partner. In this case, he
didn't have a partner. Going in foot

477
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:39.719
pursuit by yourself is unwanted by policy
here within the police department and sometimes unwise.

478
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:45.559
But still Officer Early felt compelled,
thought he was doing the right thing,

479
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:51.840
and unfortunately paid for it with his
life. Another another very very committed

480
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:55.719
and dedicated officer that we lost try
to keep his community safe and trying to

481
00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:01.159
do it well. He wasn't on
the clock. It's so sad to know

482
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.199
that he really was, as you
said, just trying to do the right

483
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:12.159
thing and in pursuing these burglars,
and he lost his life. And it's

484
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:16.400
it's even more sad to know that
his case is still unsolved and his loved

485
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:22.679
ones have never gotten justice, absolutely
correct, and although it's unsolved, it's

486
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:27.679
still a case. You know,
that case happened in the West Los Angeles

487
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.400
area. Still have some very talented
folks that are rovere Homicide Division that are

488
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:37.199
assigned to this case and they follow
up on any kind of information that comes

489
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:42.360
in. So it's although it's been
it's been a lot of years, fifty

490
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.079
plus years here still trying to find
some justice for the loss of the murder

491
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:57.840
of officer early in the case of
Tom Williams. What happened with that case,

492
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:04.599
you know, again another another duty
thing and particularly particularly awful set of

493
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:08.400
circumstances. None of these cases are
pleasing, every every single one of them

494
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:14.519
is absolutely awful. But there's an
anniversary coming up here about eight days from

495
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:21.239
now, the murder of Detective Tom
Williams Halloween of nineteen eighty five, after

496
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.320
work, Detective Williams is going to
pick up his son at school. While

497
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:29.679
he's in the process of picking up
his son, he is a he is

498
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:35.840
shot. Something is simple and you
know, no doubt is pleasing, you

499
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.199
know, I know, picking my
kids up after a hard day at work

500
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:45.119
was a was an absolute joy and
I can't imagine what that would would have

501
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.960
looked like. So at the time, Detective Williams was due to testify in

502
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:54.159
a robbery case. And whether they
laid and wait for him or followed him

503
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:58.800
to his son's school, don't I
don't recall. At this point the Detective

504
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:04.519
Williams was going to pick up son
when gunfire erupted, and again doing the

505
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:09.719
right thing, Detective Williams shielded his
son from the direction on which the gunfire

506
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:15.719
was coming and managed to manage to
save his son, but likewise was shot

507
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:22.280
and killed in front of his in
front of his little boy. Just you

508
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.519
know, another terrible, terrible,
terrible occurrence here. And I recall three

509
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:31.719
people were ultimately arrested, and I
believe they all remained imprisoned here. There

510
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:37.519
will be thirty thirty eight years here
in a couple of days. So another

511
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.159
one of those cases. And again
you know the thoughts going through your head.

512
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.199
Hey, this is this is what
I got to do today. I

513
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.119
come to work, I got to
work on this case. I got to

514
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:51.559
work on this case. And then
you know, at three o'clock in the

515
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.360
afternoon, I'm done and I'm going
to go pick up my son at school.

516
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:58.760
I'll look forward to doing his homework
with him, or you know,

517
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:04.000
having dinner with him, whatever the
case was, that that unfortunate evening and

518
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:08.440
not you know, not even having
the remote, the most remote thought that

519
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:12.599
you are going to get fired upon
and shot and killed in front of your

520
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:19.280
son. It's a he got He
got killed for concern over what it was

521
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.280
that he was going to say in
court during the solution of another case that

522
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:28.400
had come across his desk. There's
just no you know, there's no rhyme

523
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.679
or reason to any of it.
This one, for me, is particularly

524
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:36.480
particularly grievous and particularly heinous. Whether
they followed him, they knew his son

525
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:38.119
was there, if they laid you
know, if they laid in wait for

526
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:44.039
him outside the school. You know, how horrific can you be as a

527
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:50.119
human being shoot and kill somebody's father
right in front of their son. Absolutely,

528
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:55.480
I I can't. It's it's like
the the audacity to take a man's

529
00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:01.440
life in general, but to take
his life in front of his child's knowing

530
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:08.559
that you've not only taken this child's
father away, but you have sentenced this

531
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:16.360
child to a lifetime of heartache because
their father is gone, and their father

532
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:24.000
was taken in such a horrific manner
over a trial and something that he may

533
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.159
or may not say, when you
know, at the end of the day,

534
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:31.639
him testifying is just his job.
It is. It is just his

535
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.840
job. And you know, here
here in Los Angeles, so many,

536
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.360
so many cases plead out. It's
I don't want to say it's rare,

537
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.320
but it's infrequent that you wind up
in trial. You know, at some

538
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:50.559
point, you know, the offender
realizes that they're they're better off not facing

539
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:55.199
trial. So whoever this was made
a cognizant choice to take this to trial,

540
00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.519
to think that they you know,
and nobody wants to deny them their

541
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:05.760
civil rights, their constitutional rights,
whatever whatever it want to be. Everybody

542
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:10.679
has the constitutional right to face their
accusers, to elect a trial. There's

543
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:19.159
a cognizant choice here that had they
chosen to plead out, Tom Williams still

544
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.719
be here with us. But somebody
was so fearful of his testimony, they

545
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:27.840
were so afraid of going to prison
they chose not to. They chose not

546
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.679
to plete out. Not only they
choose not to plete out, either they

547
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:37.800
conspired with or their associates decided that
the good thing to do was to eliminate

548
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.199
the witness. The case was going
to go on one way or the other.

549
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:44.280
So it's just you know, wrongheaded
thinking. But you know, these

550
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.280
are cop killers that you're talking about, I don't expect them to think right.

551
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:51.079
But there were just so many other
ways that this could have turned out,

552
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:55.119
where you know, Detective Williams would
have finished out his very meaningful career

553
00:44:55.159 --> 00:45:01.320
with the police department and enjoyed watching
his son grow up and enjoying the spoils

554
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:06.440
of being being a parent. But
people, you know, people made some

555
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.880
very lethal choices. And for me
on the professional end, you don't hear

556
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:15.719
much about, you know, the
officers that you lose engaged in police action

557
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.360
although they're off duty, and this
is this is one of those. This

558
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.960
is kind of the headline case.
And in my estimation, these kinds of

559
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.360
things. You know, Hey,
the guy was picking his son up from

560
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:30.119
school. We consider school safe zones. We try and make them safe zones.

561
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:35.440
And the only reason that the son
was safe was because his father's shielded

562
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:39.719
him from the gunfire. He truly
died a hero, he truly did.

563
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:47.280
He died saving his son, protecting
his son and you know, it's a

564
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.199
small consolation to know that he did
that, he didn't die in vain.

565
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:57.280
He he saved the life of his
son, which again, it's just it's

566
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:01.199
it's very heartbreaking to hear. It's
it's heartbreaking to hear about all of these

567
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:06.480
men that were killed, especially to
know that they were killed just trying to

568
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:15.920
live their life outside of the station. And it's an unfortunate reality that many

569
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:22.400
officers have lost their lives just trying
to do their day to day activities outside

570
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:31.679
of work. In regards to that, Before we finish this, tell me

571
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:37.719
a little bit more about the Los
Angeles Police Memorial Foundation and the work that

572
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:44.000
it does to help the families of
these fallen officers. Yeah, the Los

573
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:50.039
Angeles Police Memorial Foundation, we began
in nineteen seventy two, and our primary

574
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:55.440
goal back then was to care for
the surviving families of officers killed on the

575
00:46:55.480 --> 00:47:01.480
line of duty. And we've done
that instantly and continuously since nineteen seventy two.

576
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:07.159
And how we do that is we
take care of funeral expenses and then

577
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:13.239
after after that we continue our support. It's kind of a continuum of care

578
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:20.039
following the loss for the minor dependent
children. We send holiday checks to the

579
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:28.159
children until they qualify for our educational
benefits, which we have a pretty substantial

580
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:34.000
set aside for the college educations of
surviving minor dependents of not just officers kill

581
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:37.079
the line of duty. Over time, we've expanded it to include active duty

582
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:44.000
members of the police department. So
the grant levels very based online and duty

583
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:50.400
versus active duty. But we support
all the folks that we lose in active

584
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:55.719
service to the Los Angeles Police Department
and the many and diverse communities that LAPD

585
00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:02.199
personnel serve. We've also got another
categor glory of UH for catastrophic injury or

586
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:07.599
illness. Cancer is. Cancer has
impacted the department pretty significantly here in recent

587
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:13.159
years. And we're human beings and
we're subject to that as well. You

588
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.760
know, the factors of causation don't
really matter to us, but that's that's

589
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:21.000
kind of our number one, number
one reason that we're losing active duty members

590
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.599
of the department right now. So
UH And as you know, and I

591
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:30.559
think everybody knows, many many cancer
cases linger and in these and in the

592
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:35.719
cases where we've got we've got department
members that are are suffering or enduring the

593
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:43.719
enduring cancer, their time away from
the department gets depleted in uh, they're

594
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.639
at risk of losing their benefits.
And we've got a grant category or where

595
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:52.320
we help with the catastrophic injury or
illness. You know, probably the two

596
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.519
the two main contributors. You know, certainly COVID was not kind of this

597
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.159
police department. We had a lot
of folks with lengthy hospital stays behind COVID

598
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:06.880
that we assisted with the recession there
seeming recession of COVID here, it's kind

599
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:12.199
of cancer and crashes, car crashes
and cancer where our folks get injured and

600
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.840
they're away from work for a period
of time. That creates a financial hardshipt

601
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:20.239
form and we're able to help out
with that as well. And then the

602
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.079
final thing we do that we're very
proud of. One of our directors is

603
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:29.159
a recently retired dean from the Anderson
School of Management at UCLA, and he

604
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:37.000
oversees a merit based scholarship program for
college bound seniors of LAPD personnel. So

605
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:43.559
we've been from our humble beginnings of
just try and do to support the families

606
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:45.199
of those very few that are killed
in the line of duty. We've been

607
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:51.639
able to expand our services in our
reach within the police department, and you

608
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.599
know, we're fortunate to operate as
a five O one C three nonprofit organization.

609
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:59.960
I'm very proud of the work that
we've done over these fifty one plays

610
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.639
years to support the men and women
that protect and serve the great city of

611
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:10.000
la That's amazing to hear. Just
to know that these officers and their families

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are taken care of by the Foundation
is truly wonderful to hear. And to

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know that regardless of whether these officers
have lost their lives or they are sick,

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or they've been injured in some critical
way, that their family members and

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their children are going to be taken
care of and that they're going to be

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okay regardless because of the work that
the Foundation does. So that is that

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is truly amazing to hear. Well, yeah, thank you. We're very

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very pleased, and I'd be remiss
if I didn't mention our website l A

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p m F dot org. L
A p m F dot org. And

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we're again, we're very very fortunate
to do what we do and we're pretty

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unique in the in the ranks of
all the law enforcement of the country by

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putting all these elements under one roof
in order to better support the better support

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to Los Angeles Place Department. Absolutely, and that link will be down below

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so you guys can check out the
website and all of the work that they

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do. I know I have listeners
in California, so definitely check it out.

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I urge you to Glenn has been
It has been absolutely wonderful having you

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on. This has been a wonderful
conversation and I thank you for joining me

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today at Courtney. It was wonderful
talking to you today. I know it's

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a tough subject and you know it's
tough on this end as well, So

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thank you for your time and thank
you for thank you for having me.

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Oh of course, of course.
So as always, guys, you can

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check out the links down below for
all of the good stuff. And Lisa,

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we'll be back in the next one, I promise. But as she

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always likes to say, have a
wonderful leak and we will see you guys

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next week for another chapter of the
Book of the Dead. Bye, guys,

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thank you so much for listening to
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