April 1, 2025

Chapter 98: Shadows of the City- Homicide, Mystery, & The Murder of Henryk Siwiak w/ Vic Ferrari

Chapter 98: Shadows of the City- Homicide, Mystery, & The Murder of Henryk Siwiak w/ Vic Ferrari

In this Chapter of the Book of the Dead, we sit down, with retired NYPD detective and author Vic Ferrari who has joined us, again, to delve into his experiences with homicides and death in New York City. From the grim realities of crime scenes to...

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In this Chapter of the Book of the Dead, we sit down, with retired NYPD detective and author Vic Ferrari who has joined us, again, to delve into his experiences with homicides and death in New York City. From the grim realities of crime scenes to being present for autopsies, Ferrari shares his insights on what it's really like to work for the NYPD from, Rookie, to Detective. We also revisited the haunting case of Henryk Siwiak—the only officially recorded homicide in NYC on September 11, 2001. More than two decades later, his murder remains unsolved. Vic shares his theories and his thoughts on whether this case will ever be solved. Join us as we uncover the dark truths lurking beneath the city that never sleeps.

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Hi guys. I'm Courtney and I'm Lisa, and welcome to

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the next chapter in the Book of the Dead, brought

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to you by Darkcast Network Indie Podcasts with a Twist.

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Hello, Hello, welcome to the next chapter of the Book

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of the Dead. Back with me today is Vic Ferrari.

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I had such a good time talking to him, and

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I know you guys are really enjoyed hearing his stories.

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So he is back for more, and this time we're

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going to get a little bit more into the nitty gritty.

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So Vic, thank you so much for joining me again.

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It's really exciting to have you back.

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Oh Courtney, thank you so much for having me back.

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I really appreciate it.

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So I know last time we talked is definitely a

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little bit more lighthearted, more the craziness that comes with

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being a detective. But what I really want to know

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is what were some dark moments being a detective? How

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did even as like a rookie cop, you know, what

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did that look like? How did they prepare you for homicides?

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I should hope they're not just going to throw you

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into a homicide investigation. Go here, you go have fun.

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You know, how did they prap you for that. What

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was that like?

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So it starts to the police Academy and it's not

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so much homicide, it's death. And you know, when you

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signed up for this, you're gonna you're gonna see it

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and you're going to be around it. So probably about

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a month or two into the police Academy, the NYPD's

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Police Academy, my class was twelve hundred recruits, which is

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a mid size recruit. A small police academy class is

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five hundred. Sometimes they go as big as twenty five hundred,

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and you're broken down into classrooms or companies of thirty.

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So one day, our company instructor tells us, all right,

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tomorrow we're going to go to Bellevue. We're going to

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go to the Morgue. And he's just telling us what

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we're going to see and what we're going to be

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prepared to see. But nothing could prepare you for it.

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So it was like a class trip. We're in all

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little police academy uniforms and we walked down to Bellevue,

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which Bellevue is a tremendous medical center. They also have

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an insane asylum there. That's a story for another day.

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But so they take us to the morte and it

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was like something out of silence of the land. We

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get into like this freight elevator at like thirty of

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us and it's big. Well, maybe went in groups of

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fifteen each, I don't remember, but we go into the

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basement and I remember the second you got off. In

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that basement you could smell debt. It was like unmistakable.

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It was mixed with like in bombing fluid or chemicals.

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And it was cold. I remember like we were wearing

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jackets and it still was cold. Now, I was expecting

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from what I saw on television, like an episode of Quincy,

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where there would be one body laying on a slab

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with a guy with a tape recorder and a guy

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in a lab coat. It was nothing like that. It

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was more like an eight bay Jiffy loop and there

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was like eight slabs. There was eight bodies and they

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were cutting and I had never seen anything like it

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before in my life. And between each slab was a

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produce scale. So remember when you were a kid, your

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mother go to the market, there'd be a produce scale

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and you put a head of lettuce in there and

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you'd weigh it. They were pulling organs out of people

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weighing it and then writing shit down. And I remember

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them taking a brain out of a guy, putting it

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in the scale and whatever it was two point three pounds,

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and them laughing about it because the guy had a

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small brain. And what I found amazing was some of

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the tools they used at the margue. So if you've

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ever been to like a minor key or a Midas

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where you need your muffler cutout or the muffler pipe,

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it's called a wizard tool. And what they do is

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they saw the back of your skull and then they

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grab it and it's like a movie. They pull your

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face over to the side and they cracked. They separate

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your head and they just reach out there and pop

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your brain out. And when they cut you open in

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the front, they sew you up with it actually looked

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like a rubber cord. It was. It was the grossest

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thing that I ever seen in my life. I remember

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some of the autopsy's there. There was a young man

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who had been shot multiple times and theme is standing

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there and he's got this tool. It looked like a

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forcips and he's reaching into each hole in this guy

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and he's digging around. He's pulling out a slug and

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he's dropping the slug on the table and it's like

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dank dankdink. Hanging over his shoulder is this gnarly detective

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who's eating an egg McMuffin and drinking a cup of coffee,

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and he's asking the meme, so what do you think?

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And the emme turned around and goes suspicious suicide and

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everybody started laughing because the guy was shot like forty times.

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So I quickly realized that there's humor with death. But

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I also realized that that it was at that point

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in my training in the police academy, this was about

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to get real. And the the first time I saw

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a dead body outside of the Morgan again, I saw

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like eight autopsies going on at once. Was I was

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a rookie cop and I was standing out on foot

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and the sergeant said, come on, kid, you got a

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safeguard A doa And I was like, huh. So in

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the NYPD, when someone dies in their home or in

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a house or in a dwelling, be it a suspicious

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death or not a suspicious death? The police come, they

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start a preliminary investigation, They ask questions. The detectives come

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they ask more questions, they go through medications pills, they'll

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call the doctors names who are on the pills and

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speak to them. Then what happens is the detectives leave

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and the body isn't going anywhere until the medical examiner

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comes and makes the call on it. So what happens

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is there's only one medical examiner working in a burrow.

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So in a place like the Bronx of Brooklyn on

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a Friday night with his multiple homicides suspicious deaths, you're

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gonna be there for a while. So the medical examiner'll

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come four or five, six hours later, he'll come in

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and he'll say, he'll look around, he'll ask questions, he'll

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go suspicious death. This body's going to the morgue. He's

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gonna get on the phone and the morgue wagon's going

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to show up. If it's not a suspicious death, he's

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gonna say, okay, he's going to tell the family, pull

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your funeral home, make your arrangements. But the cop has

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to stay there in that apartment or wherever until that

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body leaves. Called sitting on a doa. So, as a

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rookie cop, my first time sitting on a doa is

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My sergeant brings me into an apartment and there's a

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dead guy. And the guy died. He was probably middle aged,

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early fifties. He died over a coffee table. He was

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kind of hanging off the side of a coffee table

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and rigamortis had set in, which means your body starts

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to get stiff. And next to his hand on the

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floor was a pistol. But he wasn't shot. So what

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is this He died, there's no so they thinking maybe

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he did me. It was a small cowber round. Maybe

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we can't see the hole right that the detectives are

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moving them a crime scene, and the detectives are moving

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them around, right, they leave, but they leave me in

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the apartment with this guy while they're going to go

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canvass the neighborhood and ask questions. Well, it was a

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suspicious death, and I'm going to tell you how he

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got killed. The guy a couple of hours earlier or

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the day before, was sitting on the sidewalk fixing his car.

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He was fixing his door. The door didn't line up

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and he got into an argument with the neighbor. They

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had a beef over something. The neighbor grabbed the guy's

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head took the car door and slammed his head in

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the car door several times, the doorjam and banged it.

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Guy sustained a massive head injury. The guy was able

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to get up, get into his apartment, retrieve a pistol.

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He was going to go back downstairs and resolve this

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in street court, where he died of a massive hemorrhage

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and fell over the coffee table and dropped the gun.

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So when the detectives went downstairs and started asking questions,

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what happened to Julio, Well, he had a fight with

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wan and one basically used his head as a door

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jam and slammed his head in the door a couple

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of times. They asked one, Yeah, we got it. We're

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fighting over a girl or whatever it was. That guy

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was charged with manslaughter or whatever he was charged. I

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was a kid, I was a rookie. I really had

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not All I did was sit in the apartment and

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watch a dead body until the medical examiner it came.

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But as a young cop you do that a lot

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because you're expendable, so they throw you into these things.

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And what's nasty about responding to das, especially in residence

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when people die the family members get involved. This belonged

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to me. That belonged to me. So you're actually a

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referee in those situations. And you have to search a

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dead body. NYPD procedure is you got to go through

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their pockets, make sure to their wallet. If they're wearing jewelry, yeah,

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to take that off, you have to voucher it. You

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have to put it in a security envelope. Now, the

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old timers aren't going to touch a dead body. That's

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what the kids are for. And I can remember going

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in my first couple of days with an old time

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who would throw me a set of gloves and go

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there you go, kid, And I've had it. So would

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people die and they're in an apartment or a house

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for a couple of days, the gases in your stomach

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start to swell, you start to bloat, and if you

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touch that body or stop moving it around, it pops

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and all the fluid zoos out of it. So what

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you gotta do is, like I remember, there was there

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was an overweight woman one time that died in her bed.

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The old timer told me we threw the comforter over

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and we rocked her and then we got the hell

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out of there and she just basically popped and then

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I had to put gloves on, and oh, it's like

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something out of a friggin horror movie. It's that's something

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I did not miss about police work. So one doay

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I had. I had just got into the precinct out

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of field training. I'm like, great, I'm not gonna to

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get as many days because I was come at you

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fast and furious, especially if you work in a precinct

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with there's a lot of old people. They're just dropping

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down in their apartment and you know, the neighbor smells

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something coming out of missus rosen Schwartz's apartment and we

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haven't seen her in a while, and then you got

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to break down the door and you know, find these

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poor people. So I was working at midnight and I

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was given the assignment go to this apartment. There's another

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rookie cop that's safeguard in the d away from the

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four to twelve. You're just gonna relieve him and wait

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for the medical examine. I was like, okay, I go

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up to the apartment. This rookie cop can't wait to

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get away from it. It's like all right, and he leaves,

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just leaves me up there. It's an older black gentleman.

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He died in his apartment. He was in the hallway.

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He died between rooms. Look like a heart attack. And

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whenever I was on Ada, I don't know, maybe it's me.

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I used to just kind of like walk around the

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rooms and just try to get an idea of how

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this person lived and what they were like. And I'd

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look photos and stuff that were I wouldn't touch anything,

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but if there was something on the mantel and the

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guy looked like a decent guy, I could tell he

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was a bus driver. So I'm up there about a

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half hour. There's a knock on the door. I think

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it's the medical examiner. It's another old black gentleman. And

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he goes, that's my brother. Can I come in? I said,

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oh no, yeah, yeah, come on, and everything's taken care of.

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We're just waiting for the medical examiner. Just don't touch anything.

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Goes no, no, no, he goes. You know, he goes, and

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the guy is telling me, he goes. You know. My

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brother and I we grew up in North Carolina. We

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came up here in the nineteen fifties for a better life,

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and we both became bus drivers, they never married. One

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brother lived upstairs, one brother lived downstairs, and he's just

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telling me about his brother's life. Next thing I know,

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this guy goes into the fridge, comes out with two

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beers and he opens him and he hands me one. Now,

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I'm a rookie cop on probation. I'm not allowed to drink.

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And I goes, sir, I'm not allowed to drink. He goes, son,

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I'm not drinking alone tonight. So what am I gonna do?

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Tell this guy? No. Me and this old guy are

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cracking beers right with his dead brother in the hallway,

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and he's just telling me about their lives. And it

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was fascinating. So about three four beers in there is

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a knock on the door. In comes the medical examiner.

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He's eating a slice of pizza, drinking of coffee, his

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pants are untopped, fucking slop, and he comes in. He

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looks at the body, asked about three questions. He goes, Okay,

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have the funeral home and take the body. You know,

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not suspicious debt, I said, all right, So the old

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guy calls the funeral home. The funeral home shows up,

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and that's another bizarre thing. When someone's got riga mortis,

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and you got to get him into a body bag.

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They're stiff, so you're like breaking bones and cartilage and

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cracking them to get him into that bag. It's a

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friggin nightmare. It's like they pop. So we got him

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in the bag. They take him out, and I, you know,

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I thank the old guy for his hospitality. He goes

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into the fridge and he hands me another beer and

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he goes for the next time we meet. And I

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that really messed with my mind because I'm saying to myself,

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does he mean if he dies in his apartment, does

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he want me to find him? You know, was he

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thanking me like it was the bizarrest thing when he

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said that for the next time we meet, Like, well,

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the odds I was going to meet this guy again.

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And you know, I never ran into him again. And

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thank god I didn't have to go back into that

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building for that. But I never forgot that, And that's

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a story in one of my books. You know that

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it just was the bizarrest thing. But those are peaceful deaths.

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If you want homicides, I can go into those two.

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Oh yeah, no, we need to go into We need

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to go into some of the homicides. I know you

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didn't work homicides really, you know, you were in auto

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crimes and organized crime, but did homicides ever cross over

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into your work, you know, did you have to work homicides?

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Yeah, So in organized crime, we're not responding to a homicide.

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But like I told Jo on last week's episode when

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we were talking about we were on a wire tap

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and these guys are talking about homicides in the past.

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So what we're gonna do is we're going to gather

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as much information as we can, and when we take

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down the case, we're gonna interview these guys and then

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we're gonna hand it to homicide because that's what those

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guys do day in and day out. You don't want

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to screw up their case. You don't want to step

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on anyone's toes. So yeah, I mean with the organized

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crime cases, if guys talked about homicides, we would run

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with it. But I came across more homicides when I

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was a patrol cop because you're responding to things. So

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sometimes the homicides are you know, people killing each other,

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and then there's sometimes police involved shootings. And one of

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the first police involved shootings I ever went to was.

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It was the early nineties. It was like October. It

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was a warm night and it was raining and it

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was quiet, and we were at the other end of

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the precinct and a domestic violence comes over at this

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apartment at the sleepy end of the precinct. So the

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dispatcher gives it to a radio car and they're responding,

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and another car said, we'll get to back them up.

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So you got two cars going to this right. The

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next thing you know, the dispatcher goes over the radio

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and says, I'm getting multiple, multiple, multiple calls on this,

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So now you know it's something if everybody in the

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building is calling up and saying there's some crazy shit

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going on in apartment three B. So we said we're gonna go.

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So now you got three cars going and it's raining.

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So the first radio car gets there. It was three

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story of four story garden apartments. First car gets there,

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pulls up on the side of the building, not in front,

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and it's raining. It's drizzling out, and these cops are

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in their early twenties, they're young, they're full of pisson vinegar.

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They get out of the radio car, they hear screaming

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from one of the windows. Ninety nine percent of cops

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would have went around to the side of the building

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and went from through the front door. They decide to

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go up the fire eskate. These guys go up the

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fire eskate. They get to the window, they look inside

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and there's a guy laying on top of a woman

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with a butcher knife and he's trying to cut her

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head off. These two guys get on the radio when

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they're screaming, get the frigging cavalry here. There's a man

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decapitating a woman. So now we're around the block. My

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radio car and the other radio car pull up out front.

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We hear several shots bab bab by by mob right,

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so we go over the air. Shots fired. We run

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up the stairs. As we're coming up the stairs as

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a thirteen year ten twelve, thirteen year old boy, he's

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running down the stairs and he's screaming, he's killing my mother.

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He's killing my mother. So now I mean, now all

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hell's broken loose. We get up to the door. We're

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trying to kick in the door, and we hear two

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of our coworkers in the apartment screaming at the top

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of their lungs. Don't shoot, we're inside the apartment. Don't shoot,

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it's us. Open the door. They open the door. The

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two cops are in the apartment. They opened the door.

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And the first thing I'll never forget was it looked

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like someone lit a pack of firecrackers off in the apartment,

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because it's full of gunpowder because of all the shots

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that got thrown in there. As we're walking into the apartment,

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the second thing I noticed is there's not one thing

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in that apartment that hasn't been destroyed. The walls are broken,

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the toilet's broken, there's holes in everything. It's just the

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whole apartment's destroyed. Look like a hurricane went through it.

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Now there's two bodies. As we get into the living room,

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she's laid out. Her entire neck is missing pretty much.

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The only thing that's keeping her head on her body

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as her spine. She's got a hole in her head

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from where he hit her with a hammer. And you

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know you see on TV when people die and their

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eyes are closed, her mouth was wide open and it

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was like something out of a harm or. She's looking

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right at me, but her whole neck was gone. He

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was a couple of feet away. What happened was the

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cops were banging on the window screaming at him, which

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diverted his attention from her. He got up with the

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butcher knife. He goes, oh, you want some of this.

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He ran over the window, threw it open, and he

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started swinging that knife and my two buddies back then

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we used to before we went to nine millimeters, we

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carried thirty eight, which at thirty eight is a larger projectile.

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It just doesn't go as fast. It doesn't have as

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much speed, like a thirty eight goes nine hundred feet

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per second and nine millimeter goes twelve hundred fet per second.

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But with a thirty eight up close and personal, is

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gonna do more damage. So when he threw open that window,

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the two cops emptied their thirty eights into him, which

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sent him flying back into the apartment. He fell back,

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the knife flew out of his hand and went into

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the next room. So as we're walking around the apartment,

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I realized my feet are sticking to the floor. There's

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so much blood from the two of them that my

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feet were like sticking to the floor. So I told

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the two cops ago, I gotta get you out of it.

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You guys gotta go to the hospital. So my one

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friend is like, they're gonna think we shot an unarmed man.

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The knife went into the next room. I go, dude,

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you're good. Just trust me on this. Don't touch anything.

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You know, you see in the movies the cops like,

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you're gonna go into the next room and pick up

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the knife. You don't do that shit. I go, dude,

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you're good. She's dead. You know you're fine. It's gonna

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be a good shooting. So we rushed him to the

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hospital and later on that night he's touching his pants.

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It was a hole, a slit in his pants. The

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guy got that close with the knife. It went through.

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The cops wear baggy pants because we're cheap and we

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don't go to the tailor. So when you get a

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pair of duty pants, no cop, unless you're in Florida.

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When they send you to the tail and they pick

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up the tap, you'll notice that white feedy guys they

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have fans are baggy because they're not going to the tailor.

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That knife went right through his pant leg.

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Oh my god.

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And those guys were never the same after that, Like

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they were active cops. They were always making arrests. One

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guy was never the same again. I mean, he did

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his twenty years, but his focus was other and the

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other guy became like an ordained minister. So it definitely

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for people that think that like cops to shoot people

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and get over it. It affects different guys different ways.

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Oh absolutely, And I do think that's crazy when some

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people are like, oh, you know, like they don't care.

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You know, they're they're paid to shoot, or they're they're

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paid to do this, they're paid to just deal with it.

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It's like you're I mean, especially in a situation like that,

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it's already a traumatic situation, like you're watching a guy

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like kill a woman, but then the guy's coming at

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you and you have to shoot, like he's got a knife,

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he's already proven he could kill. He's gonna do it again.

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That's so traumatic.

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Well, think of they're a straight they held cops are afraid.

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The average cop is afraid of getting in trouble. They're

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not afraid of losing their lives. I was never afraid

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of getting killed. I was afraid of getting in trouble.

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The reality is they could have shot him through the

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glass while he was hanging over her, stabbing her. The

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point that they waited that long for him to come

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across with that knife and open the window before they

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lit him up shows the amount of a strait they

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had until it got it was him or them.

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No, absolutely, And I think that's another thing that there's

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a misconception about that because obviously, yes, there are bad

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people in every job. Of course, there are good cops

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are bad cops, but like there's a lot of restraint

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there is. There is. There's a lot of restraint because

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I'm sure a lot of times that the natural reaction

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to stop something like that is to use violence or

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a brief horse or whatever, and you can't. That's asking

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for an even worse situation.

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Right.

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Were there any homicides that didn't get solved that you

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either heard about or you worked on, even partially, that

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you you still think about.

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I don't know if it was stopped. So the NYP

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is so big. People think like you get involved in

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something and you're with it from beginning to end. When

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you're a patrol cop, you respond to things and unless

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it goes to trial or an arrest is made, you

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got to testify. You really don't know, so early in

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my career. We're driving over by co Op City in

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the Bronx and there's there's an abandoned dump on the

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way to City Island. And it was it was a

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Friday night. We were doing a six at night till

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two in the morning. Was late. It's about eleven o'clock

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at night, and we see fire trucks putting out fire

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on a little Toyota. So we pull up and we

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go what happened. They go, I don't know. We think

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it's an insurance job. They set a fire in the

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interior of the car, which that's in the Bronx. Back

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in the day, that was everybody's way to get out

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of a car payment was fifty cents worth of gas

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in a match, burn their car and then report it

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to their insurance company. So it was an interior fire.

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No one was around. They take the plates off the

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back of the car and they go, let's open the trunk.

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They pop open the truck and there's two guys duct

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taped in the trunk. If one guy's looking at me,

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he's blinking, and the other guy's dead. He's got a

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bullet a couple of bullet holes in him. Then I

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look at the guy that's blinking at me, he's got

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a couple of bullet holes on it, Like holy shit.

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So we get these guys out of the trunk, take

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the duct tape off. One guy's dead, the other guy

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dies at the scene. But what we figured out was

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they were killed there because we found the shell casings

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on the floor next to the trunk. So whoever killed

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them tied them up, put them in the trunk, drove

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them over to that stretch of roadway where there's not

463
00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:07.119
a lot of people around at that hour, opened the trunk,

464
00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:10.119
lit him up, shot them both in the head several times,

465
00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:12.920
shut the trunk, and then set the interior on fire.

466
00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:15.759
Oh my god, that sounds like something out of like

467
00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:16.400
a movie.

468
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:18.319
Oh used to go walk all the time.

469
00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:21.559
It to be like you don't think about that, like

470
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:22.119
no way.

471
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:24.839
Well i'll tell you one that did get solved. That

472
00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:28.599
that's a wild one. Early nineties again. It was a

473
00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:34.039
Saturday night, September, early October. I'm actually the guy actually

474
00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:37.359
worked with was later killed. I'll go into that. Working

475
00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.440
with this cop, we're just coming off our meal hour.

476
00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:43.119
We took our lunch hour or dinner hour in the

477
00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:46.119
precinct and as we're coming out, the female cop on

478
00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:49.039
the on the ts the telephone switch book goes is

479
00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.640
people yelling in Spanish about it death in the house.

480
00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:53.680
I think it's a cardiac. Can you guys get up there?

481
00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:57.440
Like yeah, yeah, So we rush up there, sixth story,

482
00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:59.680
walk up, probably about the fourth floor. I can hear

483
00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:02.799
a screw. We get up to the apartment and the

484
00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:05.880
apartment's full of people. People are crying and screaming, and

485
00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.480
I'm kind of making my way through the apartment. The

486
00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:10.839
kitchen is like a galley kitchen that's kind of like

487
00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:13.559
it hooks off, and I see a set of legs

488
00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:16.319
sticking out of the kitchen. So I get into the

489
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:19.640
kitchen and there's blood all over the walls. Now, if

490
00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:22.720
you've ever cut yourself, blood is bright red, but over

491
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.079
time with oxygen, it turns like that rust color. So

492
00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:29.119
the blood was dry, and laying on top of this

493
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.079
woman is her son, and he's just screaming and wailing

494
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.920
and screaming, So like, come on, son, you gotta get

495
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.960
up and get him up right. We bring him into

496
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:41.599
the living room, get everybody out of the apartment. You know,

497
00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.039
it's his mother. She's been stabbed to dead. When was

498
00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.480
the last time you saw your mother? He went from

499
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:51.119
yelling and screaming and crying to measure when was the

500
00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:54.880
last time I saw my mother? Like four hours ago?

501
00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:59.119
Does she live alone? Does my mother live alone? So

502
00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:02.279
every question I asked this guy, he's repeating the question.

503
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.000
He's buying time. I wasn't putting the screws to him.

504
00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:08.359
I was just asking him basic questions to get to

505
00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:10.960
the bottom of who are you? Who's this woman? How

506
00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:14.920
was the last time you saw her? So I turned

507
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:18.440
to my part, and the apartment's been ransacked, and I'm

508
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.279
looking around the apartment. I turned to my part and

509
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:22.480
I go, do me a favor, write everything down. This

510
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.640
guy says there's something not right with him. I get

511
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.519
that he's upset, but there's just something not right. And

512
00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.240
the apartment's been ransacked. But then if you really look

513
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:36.200
at it, it's been staged. So when a burglar breaks

514
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:39.480
into your house or apartment, they're on the clock. The

515
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:42.839
only overhead of burglars is getting caught, going to jail

516
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:44.960
and getting his ass kicked by the owner. They're in

517
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:47.799
and out, they're dumping shit out of the drawers, they're

518
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.880
rummaging through it. They dumped the next draw Every drawer

519
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:54.240
was dumped and then the drawers were put back. Who

520
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.519
does that? The woman's bag is dumped upside down and

521
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:02.039
placed right side up next to the dumb contents, and the

522
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:04.599
credit cards were there. Now, this is the early nineties,

523
00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:07.039
before surveillance cameras. The credit cards. They would have burned

524
00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.160
through those credit cards. Whoever did this? That's odd. So

525
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.799
the detectives come, they take him to the precinct to

526
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.799
question him. We're tasked with hanging out with crime scene

527
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:24.200
and the medical examiner, so we voucher, you know, things

528
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:28.240
in the apartment and stuff. And I get back to

529
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:33.240
the precinct that night and I asked the detectives, like,

530
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:35.519
what's going on with this? And they said, well, he

531
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.000
knows more. We don't know if he did it, but

532
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:42.079
he knows more than he's letting on. And he started

533
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:43.920
getting a little ants. He didn't ask for a lawyer,

534
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:45.960
which if someone asked for a lawyer, you can't question

535
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:47.759
him no more. He goes. He started getting that he

536
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.160
was tired and upset, so we didn't want to push it.

537
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:54.079
We let him go home, but we're going to get

538
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:55.759
up at six o'clock in the morning and drag him

539
00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:59.400
out of bed again. He just doesn't know it crossed

540
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.480
the street from him. The deceased had three brothers that

541
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.119
lived in the building across the street. They were asking

542
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.079
all sorts of questions what happened to our sister, and

543
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.799
the detective said, I think you should talk to your nephew.

544
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.440
Maybe you can get something out of him, because he's

545
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:17.279
not really telling us. They said, okay. So in NYPD,

546
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:21.079
here's another part of NYPD procedure. The first cops that

547
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:25.720
respond to a homicide or a suspicious death the following

548
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.160
day you have to go to the morgue to identify

549
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:33.000
the body. It's just procedural. So my partner and I

550
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.519
flipped a coin. Of course, I lost. Next morning, on

551
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:38.519
a Sunday, on my day off, I get up, I

552
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:41.880
put on my uniform and the morgue had changed. The

553
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:44.279
morgue was at Jacoby Hospital, like I don't know, they

554
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:46.359
were like between morgues or something. It was very shifty.

555
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.759
So I go to Jacoby Hospital. It's a skeleton crew

556
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:51.720
work and there's a young guy work in the desk.

557
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:54.359
I hand him the paperwork. I said him here to

558
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:58.920
see this idea this woman. He goes, okay, so it,

559
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:01.559
like I said, it wasn't like the drawers you see

560
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:04.880
in the movie. It was like the seven eleven all right.

561
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:06.920
You ever go into with seven eleven and you open

562
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.440
the refrigerated door and you grab a soda, and then

563
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:11.119
like you look in the back and you see some

564
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.720
guy stocking shelves, like in the back. That's kind of

565
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:17.920
what it was like. So he goes, He goes into

566
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.359
this refrigerated room. He comes out with a gurney and

567
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:23.839
he pulls off the sheet. It's a it's a Spanish

568
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:28.039
guy with a beard. And I go, no female, Hispanic,

569
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:31.680
fifty something years old? This you know this is a whino.

570
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:34.559
This looks like a fucking homeless guy. He goes, oh,

571
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.480
throws the sheet back on. The guy brings him back

572
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:43.559
into the refrigerator room, comes back out with another another stiff,

573
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:46.519
throws off the sheet. It's a black guy. I go, dude,

574
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:49.039
I didn't come here to see every person that died

575
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:51.599
last night in the Bronx. He had to see her.

576
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.079
Let me in there. So I walk in and it

577
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:56.480
was like something out of a horror movie, like bad lighting,

578
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:01.799
fluorescent lights, flickering, and I see all these dead bodies

579
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:05.480
covered in sheets and in the NYPD, before they take

580
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.720
the body, you fill out. It's called a toe tag.

581
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:09.640
It's a little piece of oak tag with a string.

582
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.640
And I recognize my handwriting and the deceased name. I

583
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:16.359
pulled the sheet off. That's our right idea. I go

584
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.599
back to the precinct and the detectives are celebrating. They're

585
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:22.119
all high five in each other and stuff, and the

586
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.039
Sun is sitting in a cell. So I go, what happened?

587
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.920
So they got up bright and early. Thank god, the

588
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.240
detectives were Spanish. They got up bright and early that morning.

589
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:33.440
They went over to the building and when they were

590
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.279
in the hallway they heard screaming in Spanish. The three

591
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.079
uncles got up earlier, went to the apartment. The Sun

592
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:43.559
was trying to leave the building and they go, where

593
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.759
are you going? Like yeah, his bags packed, and they

594
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.799
started yelling and screaming at him, and he explained that

595
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:54.000
he stabbed his mother to death, and the detectives heard

596
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:55.880
it because they were in the hallway. They laid back,

597
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.880
they came out to kept them talking. He gave the

598
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.200
whole thing up. So Sunny Boy was a crackhead, and

599
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.599
he was on and off drugs, and when he was

600
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.440
on drugs he would terrorize his mother and steal shit

601
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.039
and abuse her and stuff. And she had enough, so

602
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:15.039
she told him that Saturday afternoon, I watch you out.

603
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.359
I can't live like this anymore. He picked up a

604
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.920
butcher knife and stamped it to death, took a shower,

605
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:24.920
took the murder weapon, and all the bloody clothes he

606
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.200
was wearing, put in a garbage bag and leaves the

607
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:33.240
apartment and leaves the door Ajar, figuring I'll go I'll

608
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.200
get rid of this stuff. I'll take off for a

609
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.200
couple hours. One of the neighbors is going to see

610
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.720
the door open. They're gonna find her. They'll call the police.

611
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.799
I'll come back clean as a whistle. I don't know

612
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.319
what happened. I went out. I was at my girlfriend's house.

613
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:50.519
He comes back four hours later, after disposing of all

614
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.480
this stuff. The door is still Ajar, but no one

615
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.640
discovered her. People have seen him now coming and leaving

616
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.519
the building. Now he's got to commit gets on the

617
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.720
phony cour the precinct. Then he calls his uncle. Then

618
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.400
he starts going into the song and dance with us

619
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:09.359
and ultimately he was convicted of murder. I just checked

620
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.799
a couple of weeks ago. That happened in nineteen ninety four.

621
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:17.039
He's still in jail. It's crazy stabbed his mother to

622
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:18.160
them multiple times.

623
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:23.079
Oh my god. Are you hear stories like that where

624
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:27.240
like the kids like kill their parents for things like that,

625
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:33.880
like the nonsense ry that's oh my god, speaking of

626
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.200
oh my gods. You have you ever worked a case,

627
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.559
whether it was homicide or when you were working with

628
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.839
you know, the auto thefts and stuff. Was there ever

629
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:43.200
a case where you were like, this whole thing is

630
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:45.759
so bizarre, like none of this is real. This is

631
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:47.880
not real life, Like this is the weirdest thing I've

632
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.400
ever experienced. You know, was there anything like that that

633
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:52.240
you had experienced on a job.

634
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:58.880
I mean, it's difficult for the average person, you know,

635
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:03.000
and you grew up and you were raised, right, It's

636
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:07.000
it's very difficult to understand why someone could kill somebody,

637
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:12.400
whatever the motivation. You know, it's you know, unless someone's

638
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.279
trying to hurt me or my family. You know, I

639
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:20.400
wouldn't use deadly physical force on anyone. But when you

640
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.039
start seeing these things and what people will do to

641
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.200
other people for random acts of violence, or they just

642
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:31.359
don't like somebody. Yeah, it's strange and bizarre. I've got

643
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.680
a story like that. My old partner, we used to

644
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:36.319
call him Cancer because he was in a couple of

645
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.279
shoot he killed more people than cancer, But that's another story.

646
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.519
But he So it's the early nineties and we're young

647
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.799
guys and we're going out to cop bars. And before

648
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:47.839
I work with this guy, he used to work with

649
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:51.440
a magician. Guy was a cop and in his spare time,

650
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.279
yeah he was, he was an amateur magician, working kids

651
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:57.599
parties and bar mitzvahs and shit. So anyway, we would

652
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.079
go to the bar and we're trying to pick up

653
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.599
girls and the magician would come over and he's making

654
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.519
balloon animals and he's pulling flowers out of his sleeve

655
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.279
and pulling coins. Like, how do you compete with this guy?

656
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:11.039
So I told this guy I got his partner, I

657
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.880
go get him out of here, Like, how do you

658
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.559
compete with this guy? Goes If he spent more time

659
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:20.000
doing police work than making balloon animals, he goes, he'd

660
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:23.960
be the greatest crime fighter of all time. So, anyway,

661
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.799
these two guys one midnight get called out to a

662
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.440
basement apartment of a sixth story walk up in the Bronx,

663
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.319
and it comes over COLLS fault nine one one COLLS

664
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.440
fault hang up, So back then nine to one one,

665
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.920
it didn't really pinpoints you to the apartment. So in

666
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:45.279
six story buildings in the Bronx, and they're like underground layers,

667
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.519
and there's usually one or two apartments where the superintendent

668
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.880
lives and he lives there for free and he services.

669
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.359
He does all the work on the building. So they

670
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.759
go down there and there's two apartments. They go to

671
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.920
apartment number one. They bang on the door, no one answers.

672
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.119
They go to apartment number two and my buddy's about

673
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:06.599
to knock on the door, and the magician who's lazy, goes,

674
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.280
come on, we made all this noise coming down here.

675
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.840
No one's in there. This is bullshit. Let's go. My

676
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.920
buddy goes to knock on the door again. He goes,

677
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.280
come out and buy a cup of coffee, cops the

678
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:19.599
cheap free coffee. My buddy doesn't knock on the door,

679
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.000
and they leave. What they didn't realize is behind door

680
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.280
number two, the super the building lived there and he

681
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.719
was selling coke out of the apartment. He felt he

682
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:31.840
got addicted to it. He fell behind on his payments

683
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.119
to his wholesale he was buying weight in the drug world.

684
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:39.079
They don't, you know, cancel your cable or threaten to

685
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.480
sue you. They're gonna kill you. So the guy knew

686
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:44.360
we had a problem and he wasn't leaving his building

687
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:48.000
very often. So to get this guy, they used to

688
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:51.039
it's an old track. They brought an attractive female with

689
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.800
them who was in on it. She knocks on the door.

690
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.079
The guy looks out the window. He's like, oh shit,

691
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:59.960
found money. He opens the door. The two hit men

692
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:03.639
and her push their way into the apartment. They're pistol

693
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.360
whipping them. Where's the money, where's the drugs? He don't

694
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.760
have the answers. They shoot him in the head. They

695
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.280
roll them up in a carpet. They take them out

696
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:16.280
of the apartment, and they throw them in the incinerator

697
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:19.559
the furnace of the building. So while he's going up

698
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.360
like a Puerto Rican firelog, they go back into the

699
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:26.280
apartment and they're ransacking it. Now the cops are outside.

700
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.679
Oh shit, we got a problem. So the two hit

701
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.719
men tell the girl, listen, if these cops knock on

702
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.000
the door, let them in. What we're gonna do is

703
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.719
it's a railroad apartment. It goes straight through with doors

704
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:44.320
off to the sides. Start yelling at you. They were Albanians.

705
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:48.119
Start yelling at Yugoslavian. Point to the kitchen. Lead them

706
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.000
down to the hallway. When you pass the threshold of

707
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:54.119
this bedroom, throw yourself on the floor. We're gonna come

708
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.239
out from behind. We'll shoot the cops. They got to commit. Now,

709
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:00.719
we'll take the two cops out, we'll throw them in

710
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:03.760
the furnace, and we'll get the hell out of here. Well,

711
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.960
thank god, the cops said, knock on the door, they leave. Well,

712
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:11.400
the super's got family, you know, two weeks ago by

713
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:16.519
where's Julio? The super's family starts calling the detectives. The

714
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.079
detectives get involved. They see there's another The last time

715
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:21.639
this guy was seeing there was a nine to one

716
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.480
one call two weeks ago. They bring in the magician

717
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.440
and my buddy, you went into this basement. Yeah, did

718
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.119
you knock on the door. We knocked on this door.

719
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:33.000
We didn't knock on that door. Okay, well he lived there, Okay,

720
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.880
anything else? Did you notice, and my buddy goes, you know, well,

721
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.480
we will leave. And we went upstairs to leave. I

722
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:42.559
spotted a car parked on a fire hydrant. I wrote

723
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:46.639
in a parking ticket that was the getaway car. He

724
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.840
was registered to the girl. They bring the female in,

725
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.960
she starts getting all squirrely. She gives it up, of course,

726
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.519
trying to minimize her involvement. Been in for a penny,

727
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.920
in for a pound. They bring in the two hit men.

728
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.639
They locked them up. They go back to the building.

729
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.159
Now it's February. They had to shut the heat off

730
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:10.679
for two days until that furnace got cool enough, and

731
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:12.400
then they had to go into and then they went

732
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.039
in there and they were able to get his skull

733
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:17.039
and his bones out of there. So that's a story

734
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:19.159
in one of my books called Last Night a Magician

735
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.440
saved my life because if not for the magician telling

736
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.039
my buddy, don't knock on the door, you would have

737
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:25.039
had three homicides.

738
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:28.280
That's great, like literally, if they had just knocked on

739
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:29.960
the door like that would have been the end of it.

740
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.679
So the last time we talked, he talked briefly about

741
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.159
nine to eleven, and I should have asked this then

742
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.079
but there is one on solved homicide in New York

743
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.159
on nine eleven. It's the murder of Henrique Subyak. He's

744
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:44.559
a Polish man. He was killed in Brooklyn. Do you

745
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:45.960
know anything about that case?

746
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:47.960
I don't, but I'm gonna look it up now.

747
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.760
You should because I was going to ask you, like,

748
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.159
it's the only one, only on solved homicide and it

749
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.239
was you know, they they had no resources obviously its

750
00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:59.800
everyone was at ground zero. So he's killed in the

751
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:03.400
street in Brooklyn on his way to a grocery store

752
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.679
to work, like a graveyard chips because he didn't know

753
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.679
anything was going on because he had no TV. He'd

754
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.440
been here for like maybe a year. He had no TV.

755
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:12.920
You know, Holly knew was that he got sent home

756
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.159
because a plane crashed into the tower. That was it

757
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.000
and he I think it is Decatur Avenue. He died,

758
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.559
he was shot, and they've never salved it. So I

759
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:24.119
was curious if you had heard about it, because the

760
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:28.280
only one it's it's it's a really interesting case. It's

761
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:30.320
still unsolved, and it's one of those cases that drive

762
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.239
me nuts because I wish it was salved like it

763
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:36.559
but there's nothing there's nothing, no.

764
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:38.519
No, in the cracks, and it probably yeah, and it

765
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.639
probably wasn't. He was shot.

766
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:45.719
He was shot, Yeah, he was shot. He made it

767
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.920
up to like an apartment door, like front or of

768
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.360
an apartment. He's banging on it, like asking someone to

769
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:56.199
help him. But of course, you know, Marbles was freaked out,

770
00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:59.239
so no one's answering the door, and he died on

771
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.880
the stoop. So the theory is that there was a

772
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:04.920
witness that looked out their windows, saw a couple of

773
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.559
guys following him, and he's lost because he got off

774
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:09.199
the bus in the road.

775
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:10.159
I did hear about this?

776
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:10.679
Yeah?

777
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:11.960
Then now this sounds familiar.

778
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.760
Yeah, he got lost. And so the theory is that

779
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.760
it was a robbery gone wrong, which is very possible,

780
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:24.239
but it's it's one of those cases that I'm like,

781
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.599
any time I talk to someone like related or connected

782
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:27.800
to New York and anyway, I'm like, do you hear

783
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:29.280
about this case? Like to you do you think they're

784
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:30.679
gonna solve it? You know what's gonna happen.

785
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:32.840
I would bet if there was people, if they said

786
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.199
if there was more than one person, I would guess

787
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:40.000
it was teenagers. Teenagers are so dangerous because they don't

788
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:42.800
you know someone's gonna rob you. They're gonna point the

789
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.280
average They're just gonna point the gun at it. I mean,

790
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.440
obviously things can go sideways, but a stick up guy

791
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:53.559
during my time just wants your money. Means are very unpredictable.

792
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:56.360
They're trying to prove themselves. Like I got into so

793
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.199
many car chases. I hated it when teenagers were driving. A.

794
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.679
They don't add a drup and B. They'll do things.

795
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.559
They could get someone killed. And especially you give a

796
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.840
teenage or a handgun, things can go sideways very quick.

797
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:11.559
It's probably a couple if it was. If the witnesses

798
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.440
said that they sold more than one person, I would

799
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:18.079
bet money with teens. If they didn't find a shellcasing.

800
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.679
I mean, shellcasing can lead you back to the weapon.

801
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.719
Shellcasings can have DNA on it, shellcasing can have a

802
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:28.639
fingerprint on it. I'm wondering if it was with a

803
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:32.079
revolver that wouldn't have spit out of shellcasing, and then

804
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:33.239
they just tossed the gun.

805
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.639
If I remember correctly, they didn't find shellcasings. But he

806
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.639
also did not die where he was shot. He made

807
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.280
it a good amount of feet at least.

808
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:45.599
Oh, yeah, it's possible the shell casing got lost though

809
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.360
it got run over and went in a tread of

810
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.800
a tire of a car or a truck that went by.

811
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.920
Yeah, it's very interesting that you say teens though. Actually

812
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.239
I had spoken to Alfredity John's We were talking about

813
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:57.159
teens that kill and it was the same thing. They

814
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:05.119
are kids have this superiority conference that the teenagers are

815
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.800
so dangerous. I have encountered. I used to work with kids,

816
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.840
and the older they got, the worse they were. For

817
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.400
the kids that were my quote unquote bad kids, and

818
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:18.920
it was you know, you you almost wonder, like what

819
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.760
are you capable of? Because they're capable of anything.

820
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.880
Right, their imagination right, and they don't have the wisdom

821
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.679
of an old time thief or you know, they're just

822
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.320
not thinking, they're not thinking ahead exactly.

823
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.679
It's more like I think it's like it's the thrill

824
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:39.000
for them more than anything else.

825
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:42.280
Absolutely, and to prove themselves. They were always trying to

826
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:43.079
one up each other.

827
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.199
It's very interesting. I never I never considered teenagers. I

828
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:49.480
don't even think the police considered teenagers at the time.

829
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.079
But there was only like five police officers working at

830
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.119
because everyone else, like I said, it was that ground zero,

831
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:56.400
they had no one working it.

832
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:57.960
They don't, you know, you have watched that show the

833
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.320
first forty eight. Yeah, and there's a lot of truth

834
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.800
to that. I mean, the more time that goes by,

835
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.639
the cases have been solved over years, but the more

836
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:12.679
time goes by, the more other cases pile up. I

837
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.119
mean New York when I was active, we were averaging

838
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.559
over twenty five hundred homicides the year. Yeah, I mean,

839
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.079
I'm sure there's unsolved homicides that you know, there's tons

840
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:27.000
that people got away with. So the longer a homicide

841
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.599
goes the trail gets cold and cold. That's not to

842
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.440
say you can't solve it. If that case were to

843
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:36.159
be solved, it's either going to be you said they

844
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.800
didn't They didn't recover shellcasing.

845
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.639
If I remember correctly, they didn't recover shellcasings, and they

846
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:45.679
had some people talking, but I guess this specific area

847
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.960
where he died was pretty active with gang activity, so

848
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.239
a lot of people were afraid to talk, so they

849
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:56.440
really had very few witnesses on top of no real evidence.

850
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:58.360
Yeah, so it's either going to be the way that

851
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.840
case is going to be broken open one of two ways.

852
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.440
The least likely is if the slug were to match

853
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.880
a gun that gets recovered from someone. But you're talking

854
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.400
twenty something years ago. The odds of that gun turning

855
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:12.199
up somewhere probably slim to none. But you never know,

856
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:16.679
could be under someone's bed somewhere and someone decides to

857
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.719
use it one day, and where'd you get that from?

858
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.000
And I got that from High Top? And then high

859
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:23.199
Top you find out is doing time for this, and

860
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:25.239
then they pull him out and he spills the bean.

861
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:27.559
More than likely, if that case were to be solved,

862
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.960
it's either going to be an ex girlfriend or someone

863
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.000
that knows something about it, and they'll look at its

864
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:35.199
serious time and now it's a bargaining chip and they're

865
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:35.880
going to give it up.

866
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.320
Unfortunately, I agree, I do. I think I think it's

867
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:44.000
gonna take the one person that knows something to be

868
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.960
in a situation where they need to play that hand. Yeah,

869
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:48.559
it's one of those cases that keeps me up at

870
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.360
it and I ask everyone.

871
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:51.840
I ain't gonna have me reading up on it.

872
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.360
Jed, It's interesting. It's interesting. I did a whole episode

873
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:58.280
on it. It's very interesting. It's sad because he, you know,

874
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.639
he was here without his Family's family was in Poland.

875
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:03.199
He was here just trying to make money to bring

876
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:06.960
him here. And his wife had called him after she

877
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:11.159
heard about the attack, and she's like, you know, where

878
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:12.719
are you And he's like I'm fine, Like what are

879
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.840
you talking about? Relax, Like it's not I don't know

880
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.400
what you think it is, but it's not that. And

881
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:21.599
then he ends up dying totally unrelated to the attacks.

882
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.559
It just happened to be coincidentally that night, on the

883
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.639
one night where there was no police anywhere. I think

884
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:29.320
there was even a quote from like one of the

885
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.880
police officers on seeing that night saying something along the

886
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.679
lines of like you couldn't take like this one night

887
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.880
off from murder. Like, yeah, I thank you so much

888
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.440
for joining me again. You were wonderful to talk to.

889
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.320
You want to hear two quick stories? Yes, okay, because

890
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.599
I know I know this show's format is darker things,

891
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.440
but I'm going to tell you two dark stories that

892
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.400
are kind of funny. I mean, so there's this one

893
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.360
guy I knew. I wasn't a fan of his, actually

894
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.679
know him before I was a cop. He was lazy,

895
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.519
he's a foot cop up in Harlem, and it's a

896
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.039
Friday night. He has every intention of going out for

897
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.079
a couple of cocktails after work, and he gets stuck

898
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:16.400
on a doa and a housing project on like the

899
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.239
tenth of fifteenth four And what it is is an

900
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.760
elderly gentleman used to meet another friend every day for

901
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:26.960
lunch or dinner. He doesn't show up. His friend has

902
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.280
the keys to the apartment. He opens the door, and

903
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:33.639
the poor guy dies, died peacefully in his sleep. Cop

904
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:37.280
shows up, The EMTs show up. The EMTs are like, yeah,

905
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.840
he's gone. You gotta wait for the medical examiner. Cop

906
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:43.239
turns the EMTs and goes, can't you take him to

907
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.199
the hospital? And you know, they go, we can't move

908
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.039
a body and take it to the hospital unless it's

909
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.559
in public view, when it's not suspicious. If you dropped

910
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.559
out of a heart attack on the street, they're gonna

911
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.519
take you to the morgue. He says, he didn't die

912
00:45:56.519 --> 00:46:01.639
in public view. They leave, detectives leave, Sergeant leaves, he's

913
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:06.199
not going out tonight. About a half hour later, the

914
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:12.159
cardiac gets called in so the same building, same floor,

915
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:16.760
the two EMTs had gone downstairs with their equipment and

916
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.800
eating their dinner in their ambulance. They had never left.

917
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.440
They grabbed their board, they grab everything. They get off

918
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:27.800
the elevator. They come running into the hallway. The dead

919
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:29.480
guy that was in his bed is now in the

920
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.679
hallway and the cop is standing there and they go,

921
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.559
what the hell is this? And the cop goes, you're

922
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.199
not gonna believe this. I'm sitting in the apartment. The

923
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:41.880
guy jumped out of the bed. He said, oh shit.

924
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.480
He ran through the apartment. He opened the door and

925
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:48.599
collapsed on the floor, and they go, no, he didn't.

926
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:51.679
He's starting to have Rigga mortis. He's in the same

927
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:53.960
position he was in the bed. You dragged him across

928
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:55.760
the room and dumped him in the hallway. He goes, no,

929
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:01.159
I didn't. They're arguing. Sergeant shows up. They start telling

930
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.679
what happened. The CoP's stilling thes it's obvious the cop

931
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.840
moved the body into the hallway. Long story short, he

932
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:11.519
got suspended, He got dumped of his assignment, and they

933
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.039
transferred him up to the Bronx. He lost thirty vacation

934
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:15.880
days and was put on a ye appropriate if that

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happened nowadays, he would have got locked up somehow. And

936
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I never liked that guy before or after, but that's

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a true story. He moved a dead body to avoid

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working overtime. And the last story I'll leave you with,

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I'm in the precinct a couple of years, maybe five

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six years. This rookie cop is working there and I

941
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:38.360
liked it. Nice guy, heads on straight, was a good cop,

942
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:40.920
you know, would go out for beer once in a while.

943
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And ago, what did you do before you were a cop?

944
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He goes, I'm a license more titian. I said, no shit.

945
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:50.440
He goes, see, I still do it in my spare time, right,

946
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which I've kind of find with a music. So I said,

947
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you know, I go, if you want to be a detective,

948
00:47:57.639 --> 00:47:59.559
I said, the career path for you is to go

949
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to missing persons And he goes, why would I do that?

950
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I go to the missing person's unit. Loves guys like

951
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.440
you because you know how to you're not afraid of

952
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:11.719
the morgue. Would people die in the street with no

953
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:15.559
identification or even in identification, they're gonna they're gonna fingerprint

954
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:18.719
the dead body. And there's an art to that because

955
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even if the body is shriveled up in stuff. They

956
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:23.280
stick a needle in their finger and they blow it

957
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.840
up with saline solution and stuff. Basically, the missing person's

958
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:29.960
unit is for people that aren't afraid of being around

959
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.639
the dead. Well, this guy is a license mortician. He'd

960
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be perfect for it. So I told him, I go,

961
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.000
if you want to be a detective, that's the quickest way.

962
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:42.119
He goes, all right, takes my advice. Within months, they

963
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snatch him up and he vanishes into the missing Person's unit.

964
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:51.639
Now this happened in like ninety four, ninety five. Fifteen

965
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.440
years later to go by and actually the guy that

966
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:58.079
I call Cancer that was with the magician, I'm working

967
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with him now, right with detectives together. And he goes,

968
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:05.280
I met a guy that knows you. I go, who?

969
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.960
He goes My dentist go, what are you talking? I

970
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:10.079
don't know any dentists. And he says the guy's name,

971
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:12.960
and I go, no, he's not a dentist. He works

972
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.400
in the missing Person's unit. He goes, No, he quit

973
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:18.960
the job to become a dentist. What are you talking about?

974
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.440
He goes, he was an undertaker, became a cop, went

975
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.960
to missing persons, did that for a couple of years,

976
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.599
stopped doing that, went to dental school. He pulled my

977
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:33.960
tooth out, so I said, no, shit, like, guy's an undertaker,

978
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:35.800
and he pulled he pulled your tooth out. He goes, yeah,

979
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.679
he goes, he speaks very highly of you, Vick. I go, well,

980
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:41.480
that's that's that's nice, and he goes. He also said,

981
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:44.480
if you ever have any problems, go see him. He'll

982
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.440
do it for free. And I go no, and he goes.

983
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:49.679
I thought you liked him. I do, but I know

984
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:53.119
where his fingers were, you know, I don't know if

985
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:55.440
I want this guy's handling dead bodies. I don't want

986
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.079
his fingers in my mouth. So that's just that's another

987
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story from one of my books.

988
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That's an interesting career trajectory.

989
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Understand about high IQ. Yeah, all those things.

990
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Nick, instant a pleasure as always. Do you have some

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amazing stories listen.

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I greatly appreciate it. And if I could just plug

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my website.

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Please do please see that was gonna be my last thing.

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It's you know, where can people find you?

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Yeah, so just go to Amazon type in my name

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Vic Ferrari like the car, where you can preview all

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and Dysfunction. And if you like podcasts and want to

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hear stories from my NYPD career or me interviewing former

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NYPD members and gangsters and stuff like that, just check

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out the NYPD Through the Looking Glass podcast. It's available

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all that other good stuff.

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Big thank you so much for joining me again. It's

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a wonderful to have you on. It's wonderful to talk

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to you. For everyone listening, please check out the source

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notes Fix website is going to be there linked to

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his podcast is going to be there. Check out his books.

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They're great. I have read a few of them myself.

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They're very good. As always, I hope you have a

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wonderful week and I will talk to you in the

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next chapter of the Book of the Dead. Bye, guys,

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thank you so much for listening to this chapter of

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the Book of the Dead. And don't forget that you

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can always connect with us on Instagram, you can connect

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We hope you have a lovely rest of your week

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and just remember, please be kind and don't forget to

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always stay safe, stay curious, and stay vigilant. Bye guys,

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Bye

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Vic Ferrari

Retired NYPD detective and author of eight books. Worked in the Narcotics division and the NYPD’s Auto Crime Division. You can as me anything you’d like.